The 640 MEG Shareware Studio 4/The 640 Meg Shareware Studio CD-ROM Volume IV (Data Express)(1994).ISO/fidomail/cdrom.t14

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                   Date: 12/17/93  6:29a
Subj: Re: Panasonic 562                       Refer: NONE
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MB> SHORTING "GROUND" LEADS TOGETHER WILL DESTROY AUDIO OUTPUT TRANSISTORS

 GH> Yes, that part is absolutely correct.

As long as we are in agreement on that point, I see no reason to continue what
is clearly an off-topic thread.

-- Mike


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From: AL KOLLER                              Number: 9614
  To: MIKE HOFFERT                             Date: 12/17/93  5:24p
Subj: Re: Christmas stuff!?                   Refer: NONE
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MH-> I am interested.  I need to hang a CD on a Novell Network. Can't find
MH-> reliabe software to do it without using a PC for a CD server. Any
MH-> suggestions?
MH->
MH-> Mike Hoffert

Not really,  Mike.  I will ask around though.  Let me know if you decide on
it.

Al Koller
407-267-4860
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From: MIKE BILOW                             Number: 9615
  To: PAUL HARDY                               Date: 12/18/93  4:05a
Subj: Pioneer DRM-602X changer                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Dec 14 09:48>, Paul Hardy of 6:732/5 writes:

 PH> I just bought a Pioneer DRM-602X. Can anyone tell me if pin 38 on
 PH> the connecter really supplies TPower/Terminal Power/Whatever
 PH> you like to call it?

 PH> The docs have it marked as an `input' :-( and Pioneer don't know 8-(

I can't speak to the specific device, but it is standard on SCSI devices that
they can either have their terminator installed or not.  The devices on the
ends of the bus, usually including the changer if it is the only external
device, must be terminated, while all of the other devices must not be
terminated.  For the end devices which have their terminators connected, they
can usually draw power for the terminator either from the bus or internally
from the device.  It is most desirable for a device to supply its own
terminating power.  Only the controller supplies terminating power to the bus
for other devices to use.

-- Mike

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From: MIKE BILOW                             Number: 9616
  To: BOBBY POSEY                              Date: 12/18/93  4:11a
Subj: Alway IN-2000 SCSI card                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Dec 15 10:51>, Bobby Posey of 1:388/[e-mail] writes:

 BP> Tech Support   818-597-1400
 BP> Fax            [phone]
 BP> BBS            818-597-0275

 BP> When you call them just tell them the version VCN-###, and
 BP> version 3.3 and soforth.    The upgrade to the VCN-1.03 and 2.7
 BP> (i believe) is only $34.95+ shipping..

That's outrageous.  Give Always an argument on this charge.  Adaptec has a
toll-free support number and will provide free upgrades for their ROMs.

-- Mike

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From: MIKE BILOW                             Number: 9617
  To: MIKE HOFFERT                             Date: 12/18/93  4:14a
Subj: Christmas stuff!?                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Dec 15 11:00>, Mike Hoffert of 1:260/105 writes:

 MH> I need to hang a CD on a Novell Network. Can't
 MH> find reliabe software to do it without using a PC for a CD
 MH> server. Any suggestions?

Look at SCSI Express or CorelSCSI.  Both will do what you want.

Netware 3.12 and 4.01 have built-in support for mounting CD-ROMs on the server
in CDROM.NLM.

-- Mike

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From: MIKE GERVASI                           Number: 9618
  To: MICHAEL DAUM                             Date: 12/09/93 10:18p
Subj: Re: AUDIO CD PROGRAM                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting Michael Daum to All <=-

 MD> Does anyone know of a Windows Program that will allow me to "program"
 MD> the  tracks that I want to play with my CD-ROM?  I want to listen to my
 MD> audio  CDs on the computer the same way that I can from my stereo.

     I have a program made by Animotion called Stereo, which does all that plus
more.
     It also has a midi player, mixing board, and Digital recorder.
     And the new version has Q-sound (3D sound). All for around $50.00
     I know there are cheaper Cd player programs, but this does it all
     including cataloging your disks.
     # 1-205-591-5715
                      Mike


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From: MIKE GERVASI                           Number: 9619
  To: BOB SHUSTER                              Date: 12/12/93  1:42p
Subj: Re: cd-roms for sale                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting Bob Shuster to Mike Gervasi <=-

     Yes, I'm in Bermuda. The shipping address is New York, so US mail
     will carry it to there. THe military takes it to here. So 3 bucks should
     be more than enough.

     # is 809-293-5375

                         Thanks, Mike


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From: BORIS OSADCIW                          Number: 9620
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/18/93  2:33a
Subj: HOT CD                                  Refer: NONE
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            C R E A M     O F     T H E     C R O P    I I

OVER 654 MEGS New Shareware   4987 Files Dated '93'  Dup Checked
Virus Checked                 Files.BBS Support      Multi Line Discription
Mouse Support Menu            14Megs Prog Code       Plus MORE !!!
Only 200 prog Older Than April '93' - 10% Dup to NO10, Pier3, Software Gold

                               PRICE - $25.

ORDERS ONLY US/CAN 800-243-0517  TECH/QUES 216-225-3263   FAX [phone]

Boris Osadciw

... Merry Xmas, Happy Hanukah, Feliz Navidad, etc, etc, etc
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From: RICKY BOOTH                            Number: 9621
  To: GIULIANO MACIOCCI JR                     Date: 12/17/93  7:59p
Subj: 7th guest 100%                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Tridents suck... Believe me, I have one, and I got 42%
 > as well.

I have one, and got 100%.

Mine is a TVGA 8900-CL. 6000chs rating in Landmark Systems' video test. 1mg,
1024x768-256 highest res. It's a newer one, so it works better than most others
I guess.

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From: RICHARD CARTER                         Number: 9622
  To: TERRY HELTON                             Date: 12/17/93  9:57a
Subj: Response                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Terry,

My Sysop passed along your message regarding my posts and that
you had attempted to contact me regarding them.
Unfortuneately, I have never seen ANY posts from you to me.
I guarantee you, had I received them this problem would have ceased
a long time ago.
Our intent is NOT to offend, but to offer a service to those
who may find a benefit from it.
We do apologize for any missunderstadinga and any inconvenience
this may have casue you or yours.  Again, it is not our intent.
From this point in time forward, we will cease any and all
ads in your area.
We offer our apologies.

As an aside, I would appreciate it if you would try to mail me
again; not a reply to this message, but a new message from scratch.
There does appear to be a problem with the communication, and I,
myself prefer to address that now so that further misunderstanding
does not occur due to unknown activity.
The Sysop of the BBS we use has recently changed addresses.  I am
not thinking that has anything to do with the issue, since other mail
gets to me without a problem.  Please check to see if you are
addressing to either:
[e-mail]
or
Richard Carter 1:282/62

I'll look forward to you message
Sincerely,

Richard Carter
PO Box 385041
Bloomington, MN  55438-0041
[phone]

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From: RON HAMMER                             Number: 9623
  To: BENNY CHAN                               Date: 12/17/93 12:06p
Subj: Mortal Combat                           Refer: NONE
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BC> RH╞═─BC> BTW, I just got the beta of Mortal Kombat, and my
BC> Well, I'm running it on my 66 and it's EXACTLY the same
BC> speed as the
BC> arcade... The game is the same, everything is the same,
BC> beta, I end it and after SHANG TSANG (or whoever that old
Were did you get it from?
Ron

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From: DAVE REED                              Number: 9624
  To: MIKE SHANNON                             Date: 12/16/93  9:13p
Subj: VIRUS                                   Refer: NONE
Read: NO                                    Private: No

Hello Mike!

Monday December 13 1993 23:59, Mike Shannon wrote to Gary Huff:

 MS> problems.  I'm in no position to "guarantee" anything, because it's not my
 MS> product, but I do know how each company acquires its files; I know how
 MS> they scan them; I know the employee situation of each, and I know the
 MS> track record of both companies.  With this knowledge, I can wholeheartedly
 MS> recommend a Pier CD to anyone, without any hesitation as to the quality.
 MS> Unfortunately, I can no longer do that with Night Owls.

Come on, Mike, you're not being fair!  You know (as well as the other dealers
in this echo) that Richard Graham goes OUT OF HIS WAY to accomodate the dealers
and has a solid base of distributors working for him.  He personally scans
every file on the disc, and does his best to make sure the product is safe,
with no commercial files and ready for use by the most demanding users: sysops.
The man deserves a Medal of Honor...

YEA, RIGHT!   <g>

Later,

Dave

... Kennedy School of Swimming... automobile required.

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From: DAVE REED                              Number: 9625
  To: MIKE SHANNON                             Date: 12/16/93  9:16p
Subj: NIGHT OWL 10 VIRUS REPORT               Refer: NONE
Read: NO                                    Private: No

Hello Mike!

Tuesday December 14 1993 00:00, Mike Shannon wrote to Gary Huff:

 GH>> to come with those planes flying cargo.  I wouldn't hesitate to buy the
 GH>> Nightowl 11... or 12... or 13...  I'll bet they'll run every virus
 GH>> checker they can get their fingers on before they release them.

 MS> Don't hold your breath.  Word is that the six-figure damage settlement
 MS> against them from their latest court battle will sink them.

Night Owls reminds me of that punching clown that I had when I was a kid.  You
know... the one with a low center of gravity?  No matter how hard you hit the
damn thing, it always comes up with that silly-assed grin on it's face!  ;-)

Dave

... Ismail and ACT UP! in '96!

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From: DAVE REED                              Number: 9626
  To: MIKE SHANNON                             Date: 12/16/93  9:20p
Subj: CD-ROM PRE-ORDERS                       Refer: NONE
Read: NO                                    Private: No

Hello Mike!

Tuesday December 14 1993 00:00, Mike Shannon wrote to All:

 MS> CD SOURCEBOX * Current code for VisualBasic, Pascal, and C....$29

I've seen the pre-release.  It has a good selection of Assembly on it, too.

Later,

Dave

... Will the real President PLEASE get back in the White House!

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From: DAVE REED                              Number: 9627
  To: BENJAMIN ORTIZ                           Date: 12/16/93  9:24p
Subj: Virus                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Benjamin!

Tuesday December 14 1993 13:51, Benjamin Ortiz wrote to Chad Reid:

 BO> Blaming the CD distributor ain't gonna get ya nowhere...

We ARE the distributors.  We are blaming the publisher.  Those of us in this
industry just might know a little more about Night Owls Publisher, aka Richard
Graham, than you give us credit for.  If you want to keep buying Night Owls,
that's fine.  But we don't have to recommend it, because there's a LOT of
better alternatives out there.  Pier, Cream of the Crop, etc...

Later,

Dave

... Clinton/Gore for a kinder, gentler Communism.

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From: DAVE REED                              Number: 9628
  To: CURTIS BURISCH                           Date: 12/16/93  9:26p
Subj: OS/2 CD...                              Refer: NONE
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Hello Curtis!

Saturday December 11 1993 11:53, Curtis Burisch wrote to All:

 CB> Does anyone out there know if OS/2 can be run straight off the CD (with
 CB> SOME stuff on the HD, of course)?

Before a certain dealer who claims to know all about IBM, OS/2 and the price of
rich in China jumps in here, I'll give it to you straight:  You cannot run OS/2
straight from the CD.  You have to install it on the hard drive.  Now, if you
could produce your own CD (for your own use, of course), and make an image of
your hard drive, and get it to boot somehow, then... ;-)

Later,

Dave

... MORALITY cannot be defined by individual choice.

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From: JOSE VISBAL                            Number: 9629
  To: JOE RINEHART                             Date: 12/17/93  6:07a
Subj: CD-rom INFO HELP!!                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Thanks for the info on the drives...
The drives you sell what is the speed and etc...?
Thanks again for your time...

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From: JOSE VISBAL                            Number: 9630
  To: WILLIAM T. MCCLAIN                       Date: 12/17/93  6:13a
Subj: Re: CD-rom INFO HELP!!                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi,thanks for your reply it Helps..i think i will go for the 563 model..
later....

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From: JOHN BARTA                             Number: 9631
  To: JAMES BUTLER                             Date: 12/17/93  8:04p
Subj: Wanted Beatles CD                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JB>  Beatles Hard Days Night CD-RoM !!!!

It's available from CD-ROM WAREHOUSE, 1-800-237-6623, <$30.

                                   John
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From: ISMAIL ARSLANGIRAY                     Number: 9632
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/16/93 11:54p
Subj: 7 Bay SCSI Cases                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

7 Bay SCSI Cases for Sysops!..These cases will handle up to 7 half-height 5.25
size CD-ROM drives or HD drives. Comes with complete cabling. Made in USA $250.
Available thru GroupWare!..
For more information
GroupWare
4826 Tacoma Mall Blvd
Tacoma, WA 98409 1-206-472-1400
1-206-473-1634 FAX

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From: ROBERT BRIGGS                          Number: 9633
  To: RICKY BOOTH                              Date: 12/18/93  2:10a
Subj: Cdrom in windows problem                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

RB>Exactly my point. They make windows out to be some kind of operating
RB>system. Don't even know what DOS is.


Kind of like the statement I keep hearing: "I don't intend to learn the
language C, because I am just going to learn C++", eh?

===Bob Briggs


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From: JEFF WEISS                             Number: 9634
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/14/93  9:53a
Subj: *~ Mitsumi 2X CD-ROM                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Mitsumi FX001D double-speed internal CD-ROM  ---  $229
  300 - 350 KBPS sustained throughput
  280 - 250 ms average access time
  AT bus interface card included
  All necessary signal and audio cables included
  All necessary install software and manuals included
  caddyless front loading tray (takes 3" CDs as well)
  headphone jack with volume control

1 year warranty.

           Eternal ARCHIVE Solutions, Inc.
                650 Cooke Street, #3
                    P.O. Box 4402
              Waterbury, CT 06704-0402
                 [phone] voice
                 [phone]  fax

... CD-ROMs Made EASI (SM)
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From: ARNIE GROSS                            Number: 9635
  To: MIKE BILOW AND ALL !!!                   Date: 12/15/93  9:22a
Subj: Ground wires                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Mike -

Although this message is addressed to you, it is really posted to
try and clear up some of the misconceptions brought about by all
of the users who have tried to answer the original post.  You are
fully correct in your reply, in regard to solid state equipment,
but let me clear up just one small item:

The SoundBlaster Multimedia kit (soundcard, cdrom drive, etc)
comes packaged with a cable that has four pins at each end.
Examination of this cable will show that although there are
four pins, only three are used.

Some CD-ROM drives (Panasonic 562, for example) come with a
cable that has a four pin plug at one end and a three pin plug
at the other.  This cable CAN be used, WITHOUT CAUSING DAMAGE,
if you have a four pin jack on your soundcard.

The pin-out on the card is as shown here:

  1234        1 = unused    2 = Left
 [....]       3 = ground    4 = Right

The pin-out on the three-pin plug is identical to pins 2-3-4.

Therefore, the cable MAY BE USED with full SAFETY, if
attached as shown below:

              1234
             [....] (socket on card)
              (...) (plug on cable)
               123
                                           - Arnie :+}


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From: ARNIE GROSS                            Number: 9636
  To: BOB BREED                                Date: 12/15/93  9:43a
Subj: Re: REVISITED                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Bob -

I can't duplicate the mouse problem.  It must be your hardware/software
combination.  I'm using a Logitech C7 mouse, with a version 6.2 driver.

                                                  - Arnie :+}

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From: PAUL BILLINGS                          Number: 9637
  To: BORIS OSADCIW                            Date: 12/17/93  1:53p
Subj: CATALOG                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boris, please send me a catalog.  Thanks.

Paul

+---------------------------------------------------------------+
| Paul B. Billings, Jr.    Glankler Brown       [phone] |
| 1700 One Commerce Sq.      Attorneys      fax [phone] |
| Memphis, Tennessee 38103               direct [phone] |
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From: PAUL BILLINGS                          Number: 9638
  To: [e-mail]                 Date: 12/17/93  1:53p
Subj: CATALOG                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boris, please send me a catalog.  Thanks.

Paul

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From: PAUL BILLINGS                          Number: 9639
  To: JIM LAMBERT                              Date: 12/17/93 12:45p
Subj: CD-Rom Catalog                          Refer: NONE
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RL>Jim Lambert beamed onto the Enterprise and said:

RL>JL>If you are looking for great prices on the latest CD-Roms, give us a
  >JL>call or post your address, and we will be glad to send you our latest
  >JL>price list.

Paul Billings
1700 One Commerce Square
Memphis, TN  38103

Thanks.

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From: CORTEZ THOMAS                          Number: 9640
  To: JEFF FRANTZ                              Date: 12/17/93  1:32a
Subj: SD Zoo/Animals help?                    Refer: NONE
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You Know its possible that if you are running the SD ZOO under windows
and the graphics are poor you may be using the wrong video driver..if
you have not set one up that came with your video card..and are using
the one that windows installs that your graphics will be poor  windows
sets up a driver that almost all video cards can use so may not be
taking advantage of your video cards capabilities....


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From: THE LAWMAN                             Number: 9641
  To: MIKE MCGUIRE                             Date: 12/17/93  3:19p
Subj: Multiple Cd-rom w/ BBS                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Hello Mike!
->
-> 12 Dec 93 22:50, Mike Romard wrote to aLL:
->
->  MR>         I'm planning on buying a SCSI CD-Rom, that will be OS/2
->  MR> compatible, fast, reliable and able to be run off a BBS with
->  MR> ease. Mainly my Maximus BBs system (Files.bbs), I've heard a few
->  MR> times of some Cd-roms that choke or can not have global searches
->  MR> from Cd-s or are slow...
->
-> I run a multinode Max/2 BBS with 3 Cd-roms. Be warned most if not all
-> file descriptions that I have seen are multiple line description. It
-> some editing of the description lines so it doesn't look like garbage
-> Maximus....Feel free to give a call and run through a file search and
-> fast it is......No complaints yet....
->
->  MR>         Can anyone recommend one?
->
->  MR> Also, should I go internal or external. I've checked out the
->  MR> NEC'S and is $100 worth going for? $489 vs $589 (money is
->  MR> moderately stiff) I just want the best bang for buck and for the
->  MR> future.
->
-> Well depending on what you want to spend, I have 3 toshiba 3401's (in
-> online running off an Adaptec controller. They used to be the fastest
-> with the Nec's triple speeds, that's out the window.
->
->  MR> #### Please read here (I'll re-post) ###
->  MR> Oh one more.. real interesting stuff.. If I have a multispin (5-
->  MR> Cd Cd-rom) can users access different CD's from different lines.
->  MR> How can I explain this, If I have a 3 line system. Can I have a
->  MR> user on line 1 download a file from a Cd called "Blue files" and
->  MR> a user on line 2 download a file from another Cd on the
->  MR> multi-system called "Red Hook Files". Do they have multiple star
->  MR> spots?? I know I am not using the right jargon <grin>. But, has
->  MR> anyone have this working? And how much and what name brand would
->  MR> this be?
->
-> Well it might be a problem if you decide to get a Pioneer 604x multi
-> changer
-> and run a multinode BBS. Here's a example: User on node 1, DL'ing a f
-> drive P: which is on the Multi CD changer, User 2 wants to DL a file
-> Q: which is also on the same CD changer. Who is going to get priority
-> the changer's platter will have to rotate to bring up drive Q:. They
-> trying to get access to the drives. That's one one the reasons I went
-> seperate CD's instead of the 6 disk changer. Now don't get me wrong,
-> seen some collisions running the seperate CD's also.
->
-> Mike
->
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Surely you jest about the six disk changer, even the multiple single
units, in multi node you will NOT have any problems until you have 2
lines requesting the exact same file area at the exact same time, once
that persons marks the file the next user can after about a sec or two
be able to mark it as well, and unless they start their downloads at the
exact same time there is still no problem as the file is copied to the
hard drive for d/l at that time. I have 3 internal cdrom drives and I've
never seen any user have to wait more than 3 sec for a file even when
they begin d/l's, now I'm buying six disk changer to add to my system.


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From: CHAD REID                              Number: 9642
  To: JASON DEVRIES                            Date: 12/18/93  6:55a
Subj: King Quest 6                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JD>CR>If you need help with Kings Quest 6 I had the Disk version but the game
JD>CR>play is exactly a like. I beat the entire thing. All points. If you
JD>CR>need any help let me know.

JD>Too bad, the CD version is awesome!  I love the speech.  You don't ever
JD>seen one single charcter of text.  Now that I'm done gloating... <G>

JD>Could you please help me out with the fifth gnome... the one that looks
JD>at you.  I like to figure things out on my own, but this one is killing
JD>me.  Perhaps you could just point me in the right direction... Don't
JD>give me the answer, but don't make me lose any hair.  (If that is
JD>possible)

Hmmm, helping you with out telling you the answer, well, you was smart
enough to make it to the fifth gnome so let's see. When ever you go back
to The Land of the Green Isles, you will see the shop keeper emptying
some trash into a clay pot outside of his store. Search the pot, take
what you find, and now figure out how to use this on the fifth gnome.

JD>Oh yes... was I supposed to get anything else in the cave on the
JD>land of the sacred mountain besides the peppermint.

No, the peppermint is all.

JD>Thanks a lot.  Lost as always,
JD>                Jason DeVries
JD>---

 * OLX 2.2 * "Incontinence hotline...Can you please hold?"


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From: CHAD REID                              Number: 9643
  To: BOB COULTER                              Date: 12/18/93  6:55a
Subj: Reading program                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BC>Chad, thanks for your reply in Shareware concerning a CD Rom to help a
BC>youngster in reading.  My sister & brother in law do have a multimedia setup
BC>and I would be glad to pass on the information from you.  If you could send
BC>the name of the CD I would appreciate it.  As of now I don't have a CD but i
BC>in the very near future.  Thanks in advance and look forward to hearing from
BC>you.   Bob C.

Well if you are interested you will be getting the CD's from a *great*
company named Sierra On-Line. I don't have a CD-ROM but I have ordered
all kinds of things from them, they are a very good and reputable
company. Here is some of the titles you might be interested in: Word
Blocks, Alphabet Blocks, Spelling Demons, Mojo's Math Monster. Those are
the titles of the educational games, I don't even know if these are on
CD, they might just be regular disk. Call Sierra at 1-800-SIERRA5 and
get more information on the games from them. I hope that this helps you
out a little.


Chad


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From: BOB LOUDER                             Number: 9644
  To: JOE RINEHART                             Date: 12/17/93  8:21p
Subj: Hitachi model 3500's                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On <13 Dec, 21:06>, Joe Rinehart wrote to All :
JR> >              REFURBISHED Model 3500 HITACHI Drives available!
JR>          80 times faster then High Speed modems - Great for BBS use
JR> jack, and volume control for only $120.00 per bare drive.  30 day
JR> warrantee.

What kind of price do you have for quantities.

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From: BOB LOUDER                             Number: 9645
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/17/93  8:32p
Subj: Hitachi 3600 or 3700                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I am looking for refurbished Hitachi CD's - either 3600 or 3700 models for a
reasonable price.

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From: LARRY SIGMON                           Number: 9646
  To: JOE RINEHART                             Date: 12/16/93  7:47p
Subj: Cd-catalog                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Please send a catalog to
Larry Sigmon
801 Oak Drive
Leesburg, Fl.    34748

... Catch the Blue Wave!
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From: BILL SHEFSKI                           Number: 9647
  To: KENT TIMM                                Date: 12/17/93  7:42p
Subj: Patent on multimedia?                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 KT> Stardate: 02 Dec 93  03:26. Bryan Ewert send to All by subspace.

 BE> A while back I heard a fragment of a story about a company who had
 BE> declared to have the rights/patent on multimedia -- specifically the
 BE> techniques used in implementing it.

 KT> I also heard this in ShowBiz Today on CNN last week.
 KT> They also showed clips of spokesmen from other companies that were
 KT> using multi-media long *before* the company claiming the patent.
 KT> I'm sure this is going to become a much talked about topic in the near
 KT> future.

The patent covered a technique for indexing, and Compton's has announced that
-- for now -- they will not be enforcing the patent, but will expect those who
apply this technique for associating all the various types of data
(text/graphics/video/audio) used on CD-ROM to voluntarily comply.

O yeah.

It is *not* a patent "of _multi-media_" (enough emphasis in there?) Just on
the indexing. The experts I've read about say it would survive a challenge,
if any arise because -- considering the two basic grounds for challenge, prior
art and "obviousness" -- there was no prior art for this specific technique (of
course others were *doing* multimedia. Of course) and if it was "obvious" then
others would have been using this specific technique doing it, which, these
commentators say, there were not.



... Ignorance is one of the sources of poetry. - Wallace Stevens ___ Blue
Wave/QWK v2.12

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From: GRANT DEASON                           Number: 9648
  To: HUGH CRAIG                               Date: 12/18/93  8:56a
Subj: King Quest 6                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

HC>If you can tell me what is the difference between running
  >this in Windows and DOS?

HC>The box mentions some features are lost when running in DOS
  >but they neglect to mention just what. THis had kept me
  >from buying it.

Having played both 'versions' all the way through, I think I can answer. The
character box animation in the Windows version is much better, and the
lip-synching is on target.  The music (on my SBPro) is also a lot better.  In
particular, "The Girl in the Tower" song is much better as its instrumentation
sounds a lot more like the real thing than the DOS version.
The intro is also better, musically, in the Windows version.

These are all cosmetic differences.  The game itself is not any
different as far as playing goes.  Actually, the Windows version
animation is rather sluggish on my 386-40 with 8 megs of RAM, playing the
full-install version.  To each his own.
-=-
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From: RICK NAY                               Number: 9649
  To: JOE SITKO                                Date: 12/18/93  2:27p
Subj: Re: 7Th Guest & SVGA question           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

If your monitor is capable of 640X480 then you should have no problem running
7th guest with a svga card..with 512k memory on the video board..Go with a  1
meg min video board and if you are going to be using dos most of the time go
with the et-4000 based video board..also make sure it can display atleast
65,000 colors to meet the mpc2 spec..You can usually pick up a SVGA et-4000
with 1 meg and 16.8 million colors for about $90.00..If your going to be using
windows I would not recommend the et-4000 as it is a dos accelertor and not a
windows accelerator..any more questions just let me know..

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From: TAD KINDELSPIRE                        Number: 9650
  To: MATT NEWMAN                              Date: 12/18/93  5:37p
Subj: DRACULA UNLEASHED                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Matt I will Talk to you after Christmas.


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From: BOB BALDOCK                            Number: 9651
  To: RICK PEDLEY                              Date: 12/18/93  7:19a
Subj: Cdrom & network                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > I still get a USE FAILED error at the workstation in spite of all
 > this; could it have anything to do with the fact I have both
 > configured as servers? This is the only way to have a peer-to-peer

    No it shouldn't....First things first. Go into NET on the machine that
doesn't have the CD. Select an empty drive letter and see if you can grab the
CD-ROM resource......If so then your batch file is wrong on the net use. If not
your resource is not right. Make sure you have at least 5 logins on the server
startup parameters. (I find 3 more than the actual is cool)

 > network with Lantastic, but I wonder if there is some weirdness with
 > them both being servers. The host machine can access the CD-ROM drive
 > no problem.

    As a redirected resource?.....you want to NET USE it on the server too.

 > Have you got a phone number handy?

    1-602-884-9675

    Bob.

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From: MICHAEL COX                            Number: 9652
  To: HAYDEN BRADSHAW                          Date: 12/16/93  6:11p
Subj: Catalog Request                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 HB> We are in the process of preparing our new Electronic Catalog.  If you

  When your new catalogue is available, I would appreciate a
  copy.

  Michael Cox
  Smiths Falls Ratio Free
  51 Pine St.
  Smiths Falls, Ont.
  K7A 3T7



... "What?!? This isn't the Files section?!?"
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From: MICHAEL COX                            Number: 9653
  To: VINCE SORENSEN                           Date: 12/18/93  7:31a
Subj: Canadian Distributor                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting Vince Sorensen to All <=-
 VS> CD-ROM WHOLESALERS OF CANADA

 How about a Catalog Vince?

 Michael Cox
 Smiths Falls Ratio Free
 Smiths Falls,Ont.
 K7A 3T7

 Thanks

 M.C



... He's got Blue Wave fever and it's spreading through the message bases!
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From: ROB MCINTYRE                           Number: 9654
  To: MIKE SHANNON                             Date: 12/17/93 10:58a
Subj: CD-ROM SALE                             Refer: NONE
Read: NO                                    Private: No

What was the name of the g-rated gifs only cdrom you suggested to me ? Got Gifs
Galore and looking for another.

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From: DAVE REED                              Number: 9655
  To: ISMAIL ARSLANGIRAY                       Date: 12/18/93  1:40p
Subj: News: cd-rom ring busted                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

=============================================================================
* Forwarded by Dave Reed (1:344/79)
* Area : CDROM (FidoNet: CD-ROM Technical Support)
* From : Danny Tong, 1:125/217 (Tuesday December 14 1993 18:52)
* To   : All
* Subj : News: cd-rom ring busted
=============================================================================
Edited from a 12/10/93 newswire:

Federal officials have announced the first software piracy case involving
counterfeit CD-ROM, programs. Authorities dismantled C-88 International Corp of
Fremont, CA for importing bootlegged discs from Hong Kong and packaging them
with personal computers.

There were about 900 counterfeit CD-ROM discs and 18,000 software manuals. The
counterfeit discs included popular games, encyclopedia and desk reference
titles from Groliers Inc, The Software Toolworks, and Lucasfilm Games. They
were to be sold as if they had been distributed by The Software Toolworks. Some
of the discs were defective, the packaging was shoddy and the packages on some
of the products were misspelled.

Computer software piracy has been a growing problem in recent years. Some
estimates put the losses to American software producers at $1B annually.
===
 * SLMR 2.1a * Do what you think is right. But try not to get caught.


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Hello Ismail!

Just thought you'd be interested in this.  Be careful!


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From: DAVID SILVER                           Number: 9656
  To: STEPHEN RUSBOLDT                         Date: 12/15/93  8:51p
Subj: Re: PIONEER DRM-600                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Stephen,

 -=> Quoting Stephen Rusboldt to David Silver <=-

 >  Yup, they are.  HDSS (in Computer Shopper) is selling them for
 > $629.00.

 SR> I have seen you mention this several times.  So, a couple of weeks ago
 SR> I called them to order one.  They stated that they don't have any
 SR> 600a's, just 604's.

 Sorry - but just couple of weeks ago they told me that the 600As were
 in stock.  Guess it ended just shortly after I got that info.

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From: DAVID SILVER                           Number: 9657
  To: GORDON FLETCHER                          Date: 12/15/93  9:03p
Subj: Re: KODAK ON A 1X???                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting Gordon Fletcher to Ross A. johnson <=-

 GF> Ross, for about $16.00 you can get Kodak software complete with 24
 GF> pictures from Mike Shannon. Try this before you invest money. The

 Thanks for the tip - I've been looking for this one.

 GF> disk each time instead of adding to a partly filled disk. No problem if
 GF> you do 100 shots at a time. If you decide to go ahead let me know and
 GF> I'll give you the name of an outfit that will put the shots on disk for
 GF> 59 cents each plus cost of the disk ($9.95). I have done one disk at a
 GF> cost of $1.25 each before I found a better price. Incidentally, if
 GF> anyone knows of a better price I would appreciate some feedback.

 I'd very much like to have that address as I already plan on doing just
 this.  I thought it would be considerably more expensive.  Thanks in
 advance for any help.

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From: DAVID SILVER                           Number: 9658
  To: GORDON FLETCHER                          Date: 12/15/93  9:04p
Subj: Re: KODAK PHOTOCD                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting Gordon Fletcher to Vince Chiaro <=-

 GF> Vince, Kodak Photo CD's are read by Kodak software. You can get this
 GF> from Mike Shannon. Call Lazerquick , Beaverton, OR toll free
 GF> 800-937-9196. Ask for their Imagepack. It will tell you all you need

 Would you have a non 800 number for this firm as well - or an address?

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From: MICHAEL WILLARD                        Number: 9659
  To: FRANCISCO SANCHEZ                        Date: 12/17/93  5:56p
Subj: Re: Cd's For Sale                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

FS> I want to know if you are a Wholesaler.

FS> If so, I'd like to sell your CD's in PR.  If you can sende
FS> a list to my address below.

Francisco,

Nope, not a dealer.  Just trying to free up some space and sell a few items.


Thanks,
  Michael Willard...
  FidoNet 1:2410/193.0
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From: HAYDEN BRADSHAW                        Number: 9660
  To: LEN EVANS                                Date: 12/18/93 10:40a
Subj: CANADIAN CD DISTRIBUTION                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


LE>       When your new catalogue is available, I would appreciate a copy.

It's on its way, Len.  Thanks for asking.

Hayden.
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From: HAYDEN BRADSHAW                        Number: 9661
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/18/93  3:23p
Subj: Canadian CD Distributors                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Looking for the Best Prices on CDs in Canada?

Call us for your FREE catalogue or Price Quotation.  Find a better
regularly-priced in-stock CD-ROM title advertised in Canada, we'll match
it, and throw in the shipping for your trouble!:

HRB Computer Services
14 Hollis Crescent
Holland Landing, Ontario
L9N 1E7

Information and Fax line:  [phone]
Toll-Free Canada-Wide (ORDERS ONLY):  1-800-265-7081

800 titles and growing!!!  (No Adult or XXX titles.)
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From: MERRICK BROWN                          Number: 9662
  To: BOB BREED                                Date: 12/18/93 11:19a
Subj: Re: Movie CD Request                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BB>     I'm looking to buy one REALLY Definitive CD disk that covers
BB> movies in depth. I have several 'data base' style programs, but
BB> they all fail my depth test.
BB>     The test is simple, and is met by my printed copy of
BB> Halliwells' Film Guide 7th edition. (A British film writer with
BB> an excellent eye for detail.)
I saw one in a magazine review called 'pass the popcorn' it has over 19,000
video capsules and descriptions as well as a bunch of reviews.

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From: PAUL DELLAVALLE                        Number: 9663
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/08/93  6:36p
Subj: seventh Guest                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Has anyone used this CD and if so how is it. I am thinking about getting
it for my son for Christmas. He is 13 years old so any input is
appreciated. Thank


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From: GEORGES LECHIEN                        Number: 9664
  To: PETER STASSEN                            Date: 12/14/93 12:54p
Subj: Pioneer DRM 604X info                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > I am very interested in this CD-Rom player, but I cannot find a lot of
 > information here in Belgium. Could you send me the adress and faxnumber
 > of the company where you bought it ?

 > Thanks in advance.

 > Peter Stassen

 > --- FMail 0.92
 >  * Origin: Houtland : No pain, just gain and fun for everyone ! (2:291/
 > 1800.11)

Hi Peter,

I do have the Pioneer DRM604X and it works fine. I did buy it in Belgium
through my dealer in Liège.
    Adress is M.C.S. Tél [phone]  Fax [phone]
Tell them that your are coming upon my recommendation, and you will get a good
service.
In case of problems, do not hesitate to send me a netmail.
Georges

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From: MAARTEN WARFFEMIUS                     Number: 9665
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/17/93  2:11p
Subj: sound blaster                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Als ik cd rom geluid probeer af te luisteren hoor ik echo en het klinkt met
horten en stoten. Soundblaster upgrade 16 ASP)
Weet je de oorzaak en wat hier aan te doen valt?


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From: JENS BOIVIE                            Number: 9666
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/17/93  8:12p
Subj: Faster CDROMS                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


I haven't got a CD-ROM player of my own yet, but I am very anxious in bying one
to my Apple Macintosh. But almost everyone I have spoken to say that I better
wait to the begining of 94 before I buy one. The CD-ROM players are going to
be many times faster and a lot cheaper, but that's the way it goes with
everything in the computer business.
I am quite interested in the NEC player witch has rom for 6 discs, because I
think I am going to be just as tired of changing CD-ROM discs, as of changing
my old floppies.
Is there anyone who has something to say in this matter? What player shall I
choose!?

Best regards, Jens

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From: JOE RINEHART                           Number: 9667
  To: KEVIN PLUMMER                            Date: 12/17/93 10:02p
Subj: Re: Hitachi model 3500's                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Joe,
>
> Have you received my Drive Yet ????
>
>                    .....|<evin
    Kevin,
    Yes, you drive was received intact on Dec 13th.  I wrote you E-Mail
at 8:08 to let you know the drive was received & Crash netmailed it.  It
must have not made it through?  We often hold checks until we know
shipping is about to occur, as to avoid clients getting their check back
before the goods;-)  Happened once, thus creating a company policy.
I'll check the status of the drives tommorrow, to get a better idea of
when it will be ready, and get back to you via netmail to 1:231/570.
    Talk to you soon.
    Sicerely,
    Joe Rinehart

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From: LAWRENCE MINTZ                         Number: 9668
  To: CHAD REID                                Date: 12/12/93  1:03p
Subj: VIRUS                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > BF>> PT>   Well, regardless of the media I expect it to be free of
 > BF>> PT> defects. If it comes on floppy or CD makes no difference.

 > BF>>        You expect too much, especially for bargain basement goods.

 > BF> Since certain COMMERCIAL programs have had virus infestations - on
 > WRITE-
 > BF>PROTECTED FLOPPY DISKS - the guy is expecting WAY to much.


 > Brice, it is impossible for a virus to infect a
 > write-protected floppy
 > disk. The write-protected floppy disk is just like
 > CD-ROM, NOTHING can
 > be put on the disk. It had to have come from the
 > manufacturer or been
 > takin in by someone else to get the virus on it. It's
 > the only way.

That is EXACTLY what he meant.  The virus was there in the original sent out
for duplication or was added during the duplication process.  Therefore, even
though the copy disk was write protected when received by the end user, it is
still possible for a disk to be virus contaminated although it is impossible
for the end user to write to the disk.

Larry

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From: KEI LAU                                Number: 9669
  To: CHAD REID                                Date: 12/17/93 11:53p
Subj: Re: Buying an Edutainment Kit           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

RA>>Also, I presently have good $200 Sony amplified speakers, and an 8-bit
RA>>sound card.  Is the quality from the 16-bit soundcard sufficiently good
RA>>to warrant paying the extra bucks?

 CR> I have an eight bit sound blaster, I went and listened to the
 CR> same things on a 16-bit sound card, I've wanted a 16-bit sound
 CR> card really bad since then. 16-bit blows it away, but I would
 CR> suggest buying a Pro Audio, when I started snooping around
 CR> 16-bit prices and things, everyone that I talked to said go for
 CR> Pro Audio, it's the best, not one person said to try out Sound
 CR> Blaster.

   I agree, the difference between 8-bit and 16-bit sound cards
   are more than subtle.  I tried a Sound Blaster Deluxe (8-bit
   mono) for a few weeks and ended up returning it to my dealer
   for a Pro Audio 16 (16-bit, stereo).  I am very satisfied
   with the Pro Audio.  But I did not try any Sound Blaster
   16-bit card and cannnot comment on them.

Kei Lau

... Xpress Yourself!
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From: PRESTON VOOSEN                         Number: 9670
  To: EDWARD FOSTER                            Date: 12/18/93  1:53p
Subj: Re: Installing a CD-ROM                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

EF> become E & F respectivly.....To keep a handle on some of your
EF> memory, try not to run more than one extra drive than you need,
EF> ie, the setup above, you'd like to setup your
EF> "Lastdrive=G"....Just a hint:-)

I appreciate the advice

Preston

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From: LESLIE RHORER                          Number: 9671
  To: PHILIP GARRISON                          Date: 12/18/93 10:52a
Subj: Re: Pioneer 6 pack                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 PG> three machines, but enough on that for now. I'm interested
 PG> in this six disk changer, but i still hear that the unit
 PG> is slower than stand alone cached roms.....how do i

        That is an interesting statement, considering that this is the fastest
commercially available CD-ROM drive in the world.  It's access time is decent,
although nothing radical.  However, for most files on CD-ROM, the access time
is fairly insignificant.  The transfer rate, however, is four times faster than
a standard CD-ROM drive, and of course it can be cached, too.  The only thing
that is slow is changing disks, which takes a couple of seconds.

                                                        Les

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From: DAVID REMER                            Number: 9672
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/18/93  9:39a
Subj: Toshiba Drivers?                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Anyone know if the drivers (DOS & OS/2) for my new TOSHIBA TXM 3401 E1
are freely available somewhere? The manual is for this model and the
XM-3401 B so perhaps they both use the same drivers.

Thanks in advance for any relevant information.

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From: ROBERT BRIGGS                          Number: 9673
  To: BORIS OSADCIW                            Date: 12/18/93 10:16p
Subj: Hot cd                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BO>            C R E A M     O F     T H E     C R O P    I I

Still waiting for netmail about buying those disks......

===Bob Briggs

 * SLMR 2.1a * Bob & Kathey's BBS - Nawlins Newest - [phone]

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From: ROBERT BRIGGS                          Number: 9674
  To: ISMAIL ARSLANGIRAY                       Date: 12/18/93 10:16p
Subj: 7 bay scsi cases                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

IA>7 Bay SCSI Cases for Sysops!..These cases will handle up to 7
IA>half-height 5.25 size CD-ROM drives or HD drives. Comes with
IA>complete cabling. Made in USA $250. Available thru GroupWare!..


How about netmailing (or just mail) me some info:

Robert Briggs
760 Magazine Street Apt 119
New Orleans, LA    70130

FIDO 1:396/81


 * SLMR 2.1a * No, you -CAN'T- pay your phone bill at Taco Bell

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From: BENNY CHAN                             Number: 9675
  To: RICKY BOOTH                              Date: 12/17/93  7:31a
Subj: No, not 7th Guest.                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

RB╞═─ > ?? What? Which game are you talking about, 7th guest is just a
RB╞═─ > BETA??

RB╞═─I believe he was talking about DOOM, I forgot to change my subject line.
RB╞═─Sorry for the confusion.


Hahhaha, I thought he was talking about 7th guest II beta is already out
for the PC... <G>
 ┌----------------------------------------------- >8 Cut Here --------
 │ Benny Chan writing from Diamond Bar, L.A. California - USA
 │ Internet: [e-mail]
 └─
 ■ TLX v3.20 ■ My Canada includes... Greg
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From: BENNY CHAN                             Number: 9676
  To: RICKY BOOTH                              Date: 12/17/93  7:31a
Subj: MORTAL KOMBAT PC                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

RB╞═─ > OH... MORTAL KOMBAT... I remember this message... well, maybe it
RB╞═─ > *IS* a
RB╞═─ > beta and bad programming... Do you have it?

RB╞═─Nope, but I've heard it will be released soon.

It's already released, as a beta... yes, a real one, without sound...
and it's REAL kewl... Yeah! :)
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 │ Benny Chan writing from Diamond Bar, L.A. California - USA
 │ Internet: [e-mail]
 └─
 ■ TLX v3.20 ■ * <-- Tribble     o <-- Jean-Luc Tribble
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From: BENNY CHAN                             Number: 9677
  To: RICKY BOOTH                              Date: 12/17/93  7:31a
Subj: No, not 7th Guest.                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

RB╞═─ > ?? What? Which game are you talking about, 7th guest is just a
RB╞═─ > BETA??

RB╞═─I believe he was talking about DOOM, I forgot to change my subject line.
RB╞═─Sorry for the confusion.


Hahhaha, I thought he was talking about 7th guest II beta is already out
for the PC... <G>
 ┌----------------------------------------------- >8 Cut Here --------
 │ Benny Chan writing from Diamond Bar, L.A. California - USA
 │ Internet: [e-mail]
 └─
 ■ TLX v3.20 ■ My Canada includes... Greg
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From: BENNY CHAN                             Number: 9678
  To: RICKY BOOTH                              Date: 12/17/93  7:31a
Subj: MORTAL KOMBAT PC                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

RB╞═─ > OH... MORTAL KOMBAT... I remember this message... well, maybe it
RB╞═─ > *IS* a
RB╞═─ > beta and bad programming... Do you have it?

RB╞═─Nope, but I've heard it will be released soon.

It's already released, as a beta... yes, a real one, without sound...
and it's REAL kewl... Yeah! :)
 ┌----------------------------------------------- >8 Cut Here --------
 │ Benny Chan writing from Diamond Bar, L.A. California - USA
 │ Internet: [e-mail]
 └─
 ■ TLX v3.20 ■ * <-- Tribble     o <-- Jean-Luc Tribble
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From: GARY HUFF                              Number: 9679
  To: MIKE MAZZOLA                             Date: 12/17/93  4:49p
Subj: Re: BUYING a CDROM                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

GH>It should work just fine.  I'm using the same CD-ROM with a
GH>386DX/25,
GH>a Trident VGA card, and 4 megs of RAM, and there are no
GH>problems.

MM> Thanks, that's good to hear.  With all the new multi media toys out th
MM> it's good to know I can keep the old 386 alittle longer.

Actually, I've run it on a 286, and it worked fine.  One of these days
I'm going to test it out on my old 8088...  I suspect it'll work there
as well.

MM> Happy Holidays...

 And the same to you, Mike.


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From: BOB HALL                               Number: 9680
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/20/93  7:36p
Subj: Merry Christmas                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello everybody,

Just dropping by to say happy holidays... And thanks for all the
participation in this echo - another year passes & this thing continues
to grow.  I thank everbody & I look forward to the new year.. Have
fun over the holidays & don't spill any beer on those CD ROM discs.

Bob Hall
Moderator.
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From: BORIS OSADCIW                          Number: 9681
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/19/93  2:22a
Subj: HOT CD                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

            C R E A M     O F     T H E     C R O P    I I

OVER 654 MEGS New Shareware   4987 Files Dated '93'  Dup Checked
Virus Checked                 Files.BBS Support      Multi Line Discription
Mouse Support Menu            14Megs Prog Code       Plus MORE !!!
Only 200 prog Older Than April '93' - 10% Dup to NO10, Pier3, Software Gold

                               PRICE - $25.

ORDERS ONLY US/CAN 800-243-0517  TECH/QUES 216-225-3263   FAX [phone]

Boris Osadciw

... Press F1 to Reboot
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From: BORIS OSADCIW                          Number: 9682
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/19/93  2:22a
Subj: SPECIAL                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~[  S P E C I A L  B U N D L E S  ]~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
1. Software Vault Gold     2. Night Owl 10.1        3. Shareware Online 2
   Software Vault Games       Night Owl Games          Gameware
   Software Vault Windows     Night Owl Graphics       Soundware
   Price - $49.00             Price - $65.00           Price - $49.00

4. Hobbes OS/2 'NOV'       5. Tech Arsenal          6. Pier 3
   Window Users Arch          TechnoTool               Cream Of The Crop II
   Price - $30.00             Price - $30.00           Price - $45.00
   ORDERS ONLY US/CAN 800-243-0517 TECH/QUE 216-225-3263 FAX [phone]


Boris Osadciw

... Jamming with Silver Xpress!
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From: BOYD ROBERSON                          Number: 9683
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/18/93  6:27p
Subj: SB docs                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I got a "multimedia" 486 that had been a display model..
Got it mucho cheap, but.. starting to wonder if the price difference was
worthwhile! Figured I could borrow/buy docs from people I work with, but..
they're all lacking SB, CD-rom, SVGA, etc. stuff..
To keep it on topic (grin) I'll just ask where I can get info and/or original
docs for soundblaster pro, cd-roms (will settle for general info on that till I
can find the brand/model), svga, etc..

Also.. Windows shows a "[MCI] CD Audio" driver to be missing.. Where do I get
it? What is it? Worth looking for?

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From: MIKE MCGUIRE                           Number: 9684
  To: THE LAWMAN                               Date: 12/19/93  8:30a
Subj: Multiple Cd-rom w/ BBS                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello The!

17 Dec 93 15:19, The Lawman wrote to Mike Mcguire:

 TL> Surely you jest about the six disk changer, even the multiple
 TL> single units, in multi node you will NOT have any problems until
 TL> you have 2 lines requesting the exact same file area at the exact
 TL> same time, once that persons marks the file the next user can
 TL> after about a sec or two be able to mark it as well, and unless
 TL> they start their downloads at the exact same time there is still
 TL> no problem as the file is copied to the hard drive for d/l at
 TL> that time. I have 3 internal cdrom drives and I've never seen any
 TL> user have to wait more than 3 sec for a file even when they begin
 TL> d/l's, now I'm buying six disk changer to add to my system.

Nope, no jest, but if you look at the original post, he is going to be running
Maximus/2 and OS/2. As of yet, Maximus has no internal features to allow
copying files off the CD to HD and there is no native OS/2 CD-rom door that
will allow copying files off the cd to HD......

Mike

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From: BOB JENKINS                            Number: 9685
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/19/93 11:49a
Subj: 7th guest problem                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

    I know most of you are getting tired of questions pertaining to the 7th
Guest...sorry! I just bought the CD's as a gift. Problem is, I can't get it to
work. The message I get is :

       Error: A memory error has occured.

Then, it kicks me back to the dos prompt. My setup is as follows:
386DX 25 , 4 megs, 1meg Trident 8900 SVGA, SB (8 bit), Mitsumi single speed (I
know...too slow).

  I have tried running the game in both SVGA (which is the recommended setting)
and 300X200X256: both crash. Has anyone else seen this before?
BTW, my video performance rating is at 30%...anyway to boost this?
I would appreciate any help on this, before Christmas! Thank you.

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From: BOB JENKINS                            Number: 9686
  To: MICHELLA SORENSEN                        Date: 12/19/93 11:57a
Subj: CD-ROM Wholesaler's of Canada           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

    Hi Michella. Just a short note to thank you for your help with my order. As
you know, it arrived this past friday. Very impressive !

    I recommend your company to anyone here. You (I.M.H.O) have the best prices
on the continent, a good selection, and very courteous service. I will be doing
business with you in the future.

   Would you please respond to this note, as I would like to netmail you
something, and have need of your address. Thank you.

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From: CASEY DROZD                            Number: 9687
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/18/93  8:39a
Subj: CD ROM Discussion and Information       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Welcome to OnLine Resource support echo conference for general
conversation, interesting reading, education, and question asking.
Feel free to post any messages here regarding this topic.


Before posting a question, you might want to try the "keywoard
search" feature (type RK from the main Forum menu) to see if
someone has already    asked that question.  If someone has, then
use the "thread forward" feature to see if it has been answered
already.  Not to worry if any of these terms seem confusing, take
the menus step-by-step and it will all become clear eventually


Casey (SysOp)

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From: PAT PRUE                               Number: 9688
  To: DAVID GINSBURG                           Date: 12/17/93  3:15a
Subj: Re: King Quest 6                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

David Ginsburg spewed forth to All
 DG> To all, I just Got Kings Quest 6 for the CD-Rom and need help.  First,
 DG> in the catacombs when the ceiling is about to crush you, what do you
 DG> use to stop it? 2nd, when you go to the Isle of Wonders, how do you
 DG> stop all those gnomes?  I stopped the first one, but the 2nd I didn't.
 DG> Thanks, David
 DG> -!- Maximus/2 2.01wb
OK in the catacombs use the brick from the isle of beast to stop the gears..
THe gnomes are stopped by Smell gnome ..Stink flower Isle of sacred mountain
Tongue gnome ..MInt from in pawn shop...HAnd Gnome ..RAbbit foot from sailor
EArs gnome ..Windup nightengale....Sight gnome..Ink from pawn shop garbage
Ok hope that helps..
Pat


... Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.

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From: BOB BALDOCK                            Number: 9689
  To: JOS CHRISPIJN                            Date: 12/19/93  7:51a
Subj: LANTASTIC & CD-ROM                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > to my STARTNET.BAT :

 > :START
 > REM --- BBS_SERVER-1 BATCH -----
 > --------------------------------------------
 >         C:\lantasti\NEX000 IRQ=5 IOBASE=300 16-BIT VERBOSE
 >         C:\lantasti\AILANBIO
 >         C:\lantasti\REDIR BBS LOGINS=5 BUFFERS=12 SIZE=1024 VERBOSE
 > REM here's the mother :)
 >         C:\DOS\MSCDEX.EXE /D:CDROM_1 /M:20 /L:K /E /V
                                                ^ Note this

            Also add /S to this line......Allows CD Sharing

 > REM don't forget ! Allways run it BEFORE the server program (manual
 > page 14)
 >         C:\lantasti\SERVER C:\LANTASTI.NET

 > The /D drive-name (CDROM_1 in this case; call it whatever you want)
 > has to
 > be installed in NET_MGR resources option ! Include CD-Rom drive
 > YES...

    If you were to Enter k:\ it would hsve the same effect....BTW I hsve heard
guys say that only one name could be used for the CD and it is this method that
would seem to cause this....using the K:\ reference makes it generic. The
reason this works at all is because MSCDEX connects the CD-ROM drive using the
same network hooks as the LAN.

    Bob

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From: ROB MCINTYRE                           Number: 9690
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/19/93  6:52a
Subj: INFO PLEASE ?                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I'll like to have more info on ALL MUSIC & THE REFERANCE LIBRARY and their
content. Does anyone sell or own these. Could you please send me descriptions ?

Also, i'm looking for a g rated gifs cdrom other than Gifs Galore. Someone
mentioned one to me and I don't remember who. Help ?

Rob McIntyre
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From: DICK CRAVENS                           Number: 9691
  To: LESLIE RHORER                            Date: 12/18/93  9:35a
Subj: CD ROM INFO                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hey, Leslie, whatever. No offense, but I honestly don't have time to
waste on the closeminded.

Have fun living in the past, but try not to criticize those willing to
work for improvements, even if progress is slow.

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From: RICK PEDLEY                            Number: 9692
  To: GIULIANO MACIOCCI JR                     Date: 12/18/93  7:23p
Subj: Panasonic 562                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 RP> Also, the sound connector that came with the drive has a four-hole
 RP> plug on one end, and a three-hole on the other end, and only three

GM>Mine came with both cables, a 4>>3 and a 4>>4. Needless to say you have
GM>to have the  4>>4 to connect.

Ah, but you don't! It doesn't seem to matter that there's a missing ground. The
wires are arranged left channel - GND - right channel - GND; so long as the
left and right sound channels are both connected properly it works fine.

Rick

 * DeLuxe2 1.26b #9691 *

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From: MAHMUT KURSUN                          Number: 9693
  To: MIKE BILOW                               Date: 12/18/93 11:47p
Subj: 100 DISK CHANGER???                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > The NSM CDR-100SC is a 100-disk CD-ROM changer that is probably what you
 > are thinking of.  Try Better Business Systems, [phone], for a
 > price.  It's not cheap.

They have lots of CDROM Changers starting at 15000$. I saw one with
200 CD's and 12 Drives on a show. But when I ask the chief technician of
Germany, it was obvious that they are not out for the BBS market. There is
no QBBS Door or TBBS Door for this thing. The best thing you can do is
to buy Source Pack and develop yourself but I think it wont be any
economical solution.

As long as I know, one can connect 2 SCSI Controller on one Board, that
is 14 CDROM Devices. 14 Pioneer 6 Changer is 84 CDROM for less money.
And this is 14 CDROM Drives that can work concurrently, NSM 100 is one
single Drive, if this one stuck the complete system will be halted,
thats also a slight disadvantage of this system.

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From: GIULIANO MACIOCCI JR                   Number: 9694
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/13/93 12:00p
Subj: Dupe Chart?                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi All!

I want to buy some CDs for Xmas, basically a Shareware CD and a game.

Day of the Tentacle seems good as a game, but for the shareware I don't know
what to buy. I have Night Owl 10, and would like to buy a new CD (1993) which
contains few files which NO10 also contains. I'm looking for suggestions for
games, shareware and any other CDs. I'd also be happy if someone sent  me a
dupe chart with the various shareware CDs in it.

Many thanks, looking forward to your messages, guys!! :-)

TTYL
__________________________________
Giuliano  Maciocci Jr  (AKA Raver)
FidoNet : 5:7211/1.78
InterNet: [e-mail]
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From: GIULIANO MACIOCCI JR                   Number: 9695
  To: MICHAEL DAUM                             Date: 12/17/93  6:04p
Subj: Re: AUDIO CD PROGRAM                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Michael!


 bright and merry Thursday December 09 1993, Paul Hermann whispered:

 MD>> Does anyone know of a Windows Program that will allow me to
 MD>> "program" the tracks that I want to play with my CD-ROM?  I want
 MD>> to listen to my audio CDs on the computer the same way that I can
 MD>> from my stereo.

I got a neat CD-Player prog with my Panasonic CR562b. It's memory resident (if
you want) and it allows you to program the tracks. I am still looking for
something better, though... Any FTPable suggestions?

TTYL
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From: GIULIANO MACIOCCI JR                   Number: 9696
  To: WILLIAM WRIGHT                           Date: 12/17/93  7:27p
Subj: Re: Phillips Cd Drives                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi William!


 On dark and windy Friday December 10 1993, William Wright bellowed:

 >> I'm European and I resent that, AS**OLE!!

 WW> (I KNOW, OFF TOPIC!) Not ALL Europeans are bad, Germans are cool, but
 WW> its those class-consious Englanders that really get on my nerve. Read
 WW> the book Great Expectations if you really want to know!

Well now that I think of it English people are a bit of an annoying species. I
don't want to consider english people as a bunch, though, and categorize them
as "stupid" or "self-centered" since I know some English people are way cool.

I'm Italian, but I may as well be Brazilian, or South African, since I spent
all my life travelling and on the whole only a small portion of my life has
been spent in the Land of Corruption. If I must be frank, Italians themselves
kinda make me hurl. I could never quite relate to them... But then, some of my
Italian friends are way cool, too ;-)

To the guy who wrote the message saying Europeans this and that, Irony has
nothing to do with it, or if you wanna be sarcastic, hell, try not to be so
serious! Not even a smiley in sight...! :-) :-) :-)

Apologies for the off-topic message(s) but I'd like to consider this the end of
a silly (though enjoyable) and pointless (though aggressive) thread.
Peace and love to everyone, let's all be friends in this great Net. (Gosh, that
sounded kinda 60's, huh? ;-)

TTYL
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Giuliano  Maciocci Jr  (AKA Raver)
FidoNet : 5:7211/1.78
InterNet: [e-mail]
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CP 2.00 [GM] ■ Ground water? Do you mean crushed ice?

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From: GIULIANO MACIOCCI JR                   Number: 9697
  To: CHAD REID                                Date: 12/17/93  6:33p
Subj: Re: SCAN 109                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Chad!


 On dark and windy Friday December 10 1993, Chad Reid bellowed:

 GMJ>> I just got McAffee's SCAN 109... Does this detect the dreaded
 GMJ>> Butterfly vir strain in the Night Owl 10 disk? Does CLEAN 109
 GMJ>> remove it? Anyone?

 CR> It should. It will take a while for the entire scanning to take place.

Thanks. I didn't know SCAN could actually find anything in ZIPs, though! I
extracted the files, tested them and bingo, there were the 2 viruses. Memory
lapse on the Streetfighter upgrade can't be removed, though...Pity.

TTYL
__________________________________
Giuliano  Maciocci Jr  (AKA Raver)
FidoNet : 5:7211/1.78
InterNet: [e-mail]
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CP 2.00 [GM] ■ ALTA DATA BOX BY GERY ZUMBRUNNEN ++41/82/32131 V

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From: GIULIANO MACIOCCI JR                   Number: 9698
  To: MATT CULLEN                              Date: 12/17/93  7:42p
Subj: Re: Omni and 8-bit                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Matt!


 On dark and windy Wednesday December 08 1993, Matt Cullen bellowed:

 MC>      Hey I might be gettin' the new OmniCD by Creative Labs. I have a
 MC> Sound Blaster Deluxe (8-bit) I can use it with the Omni can't I ? And
 MC> does anyone know if the OmniCD is anygood? it looks like it is one of
 MC> the best affordable CD-ROM drives.

Congratulations! The OMNI is a renamed CR562b. I have this drive and it's
superb. No, it will connect to the SBD... I think you need a SB PRO minimum for
that. It comes with its own paddle card, though...

TTYL
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Giuliano  Maciocci Jr  (AKA Raver)
FidoNet : 5:7211/1.78
InterNet: [e-mail]
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CP 2.00 [GM] ■ I type softly and carry a *BIG* electromagnet

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From: GIULIANO MACIOCCI JR                   Number: 9699
  To: BRUCE BOWMAN                             Date: 12/17/93  6:47p
Subj: Re: Environmental                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Bruce!


 On dark and windy Saturday December 11 1993, Bruce Bowman bellowed:

 BB> OTOH, I did come across what appears to be a good game in the store
 BB> recently.  It is based on the Gaia Hypothesis, where you control the
 BB> evolution of life on  your planet. I can't remember the name --
 BB> off-topic anyway.

SIMEARTH by MAXIS?

TTYL
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From: GIULIANO MACIOCCI JR                   Number: 9700
  To: WILLIAM SCHNEIDER, JR.                   Date: 12/17/93  7:44p
Subj: Re: SCAN 109                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi William!


 On dark and windy Thursday December 09 1993, William Schneider, Jr. bellowed:

 GJ>> I just got McAffee's SCAN 109... Does this detect the dreaded
 GJ>> Butterfly virus strain in the Night Owl 10 disk? Does CLEAN 109
 GJ>> remove it? Anyone?

 WSJ> Sorry Giuliano, because CD's are read-only, as of yet you can't
 WSJ> 'clean' any viruses off them.

I meant **AFTER** you copy (and unzip) the files onto the HD!! Geez...

TTYL
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From: GIULIANO MACIOCCI JR                   Number: 9701
  To: MARCO JURRIENS                           Date: 12/17/93  7:08p
Subj: Re: player..                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Marco!


 On dark and windy Thursday December 09 1993, Marco Jurriens bellowed:

 >> MJ>> I own a SoundBlaster Pro and wish to hook up a cdrom to
 MJ> Thanks to you and everybody else.. I'll go for the Panasonic.. Now my

Look for it around $200. When you get it, Netmail me and I can send you some
utils using UUENCODE... No Internet access over here, I'm afraid. Good Luck!

TTYL
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From: STEAN SNYMAN                           Number: 9702
  To: ROB STOG                                 Date: 12/17/93  9:10a
Subj: clicking noise                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Rob!

09 Dec 93 21:23, Rob Stog wrote to All:

 RS> what I've got now is 16mb ram a NEC cdr84 pro audio spect 16
 RS> i'm a novice at this so take it easy on me.

Your HDD cannot keep up with the recording, so when you get to say 1 minute,
your RAM is full (or what it allocated).  It fills the ram faster than it can
write to the HDD.  Thats all I can think of.. Try setting up a disk
cache(smartdrv), if that doesn't work, don't ask me..  I had the same problem a
time back, and a disk-cache of 2mb did the trick (But then again, I have only 4
mb or ram)...

Adios
Stean

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From: STEAN SNYMAN                           Number: 9703
  To: LEN GLADSTONE                            Date: 12/17/93  9:17a
Subj: Return to zork help                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Len!

13 Dec 93 20:10, Len Gladstone wrote to Stean Snyman:

 LG> Rebecca will tell you about the amazing vision enhancing
 LG> properties of the carrot eating creature's produce. Hope this
 LG> isn't too much help.

Thanks :))...   Now to get that creature to work with me :))

Adios
Stean

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From: STEAN SNYMAN                           Number: 9704
  To: KEE CHI                                  Date: 12/17/93  9:19a
Subj: Return to zork cd 4 sale                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Kee!

14 Dec 93 19:31, Kee Chi wrote to Heather Krause:

 KC> I just wanted to ask you, HOW!!!  I can't even get through the
 KC> beginning... what do you do with that plant, and how do you get
 KC> to east Shanbar!  I'm just stuck on west1!!

Go and do everything you can, then go to Boos..  Drink him 3 times, (but empty
your glass, so that you don't get drunk).  Then ask for keys, drink again,
he'll pass out,  I think you need to go out, come back, do it again, go out
come back, then a trapdoor is revealed..  Go down and use boos' keys.. Anything
more?..  :)

Adios
Stean

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From: STEAN SNYMAN                           Number: 9705
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/17/93  9:21a
Subj: t7G sound DMA buffer overflow           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello All!

I got this problem with T7G.  After the nice video at the front door (just
before the glass window puzzle) it gives me a sound dma buffer overflow, unless
i'm on 320x200..  Works fine then, but get the overflow in 640x480....

Why would this be?..  386dx40, Sound Galaxy NX PRO, Panason 523b single speed,
tseng et4000 vga 1mb 46%.....

Adios
Stean

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From: JEFF COLLINGWOOD                       Number: 9706
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/18/93  5:59a
Subj: Pioneer Changers                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello All!

Where is the best deal on a Pioneer DRM600A with controller and
all software.
...Jeff...

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From: JEFF COLLINGWOOD                       Number: 9707
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/18/93  6:13a
Subj: Sony 7205 wanted                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello All!

I would like to buy 1 or 2 Sony 7205 at a decent price to daisy
chain with the two I have.
...Jeff...

 * WCE 1.10/2020 * Always assume the second try will be different.


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From: BRICE FLECKENSTEIN                     Number: 9708
  To: BILL COGGIN                              Date: 12/16/93  6:39p
Subj: ENCARTA                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

>Sam's is a wholeslae place for all sorts of supplies and other stuff from food
>to frizbees.   It was created by Sam Walton the creator of the Walmart chain
>(and wealthiest man in America until his death last year.)

 Not quite - Bill the Gates passed Sam up a year or two back....


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From: BRICE FLECKENSTEIN                     Number: 9709
  To: KEVIN SINCLAIR                           Date: 12/16/93  6:44p
Subj: SD ZOO/ANIMALS                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

>It seems that the Zoo Society lowered its very high standards when it came to
>this disk. Maybe they'll come out with a disk for the Zoo's cousin, The San
>Diego Wild Animal Park, which will be of a higher quality. We can only hope!

 Some of the stuff on the "Zoo" disc appears to be from the Wild Animal Park -
almost 12 years I spent in Sandy Eggo, never got around to the Zoo but I did
visit the WAP - and some of the stuff I have seen on the Zoo disk
ads/reviews/blurbs looks familier....


 * SLMR 2.1a * Always tell her she's beautifull, especially if she's not

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From: BRICE FLECKENSTEIN                     Number: 9710
  To: WILLIAM WRIGHT                           Date: 12/16/93  7:38p
Subj: CD-ROM STORE???                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> >  Nope. Appx. 630 Megs is the Mode 2 STANDARD

>SO, if you stuck one that was 631 in there what would happen?

 You would have a very small probability that the tracks would end up too close
together to be read on part or all of that disc by a drive that just barely
meets the Mode 2 specifications.

>Would it freeze? Would it say data error reading drive X: or what?

 Depends on exactly how the driver handles the data errors it would get in such
a case, and how bad the error rate was, etc.

>And WHY do CD makers make more that 630 megs then???

 Because MOST drives will handle more than the "standard" 630 Megs on a
disc....


 * SLMR 2.1a * Bahgdad would look REAL nice as a shallow glass bowl....

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From: BRICE FLECKENSTEIN                     Number: 9711
  To: RICK NAY                                 Date: 12/17/93 12:11p
Subj: MPC-2                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

>besides
>Intel has a lifetime warranty on there Cpu's so if something happens i just
get
>it replaced..

 Not for ones operated outside of the rated specs like you are doing.


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From: BRICE FLECKENSTEIN                     Number: 9712
  To: BERND NURNBERGER                         Date: 12/17/93 12:15p
Subj: HOW MUCH A GOOD CD-ROM C                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

>HC> Check out the new Mitsumi double speed kit.
>HC> The model number is FX001D

>Would it run on an IDE controller or on the PAS 16 SCSI?  I have both.

 NO CD-ROM drive will run on an IDE controller. No Mitsumi drive (to date,
anyway) will run on a SCSI controller like your PAS16 has.


 * SLMR 2.1a * Purrpetual Motion: A kitten at play.

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From: BRICE FLECKENSTEIN                     Number: 9713
  To: GORDON FLETCHER                          Date: 12/17/93 12:18p
Subj: KODAK ON A 1X???                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

>true that on a one speed drive you have to use a new disk each time instead of
>adding to a partly filled disk.

 NOT always true - Mitsumi LU005 as a minimum supports multi-session and is
single-speed.


 * SLMR 2.1a * I missed the Moderator, but I've since reloaded....

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From: STEVE MCKAIN                           Number: 9714
  To: SHAWN MASCHINO                           Date: 12/18/93 12:10p
Subj: RE: NIGHT OWL 10 - BLOCKI               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

SM>SM> Why not just remove the filename from the file listing. It it's not seen
SM>SM> then it probably won't be selected for download.
SM>SM>
SM>     That would work also,  whatever works will work,  you just don't want
SM>people downloading infected files...

  Agreed!!!

Steve
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From: GARY HUFF                              Number: 9715
  To: PAUL KNOX                                Date: 12/18/93  5:13p
Subj: Re: Night Owl 10.1                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

PK> I have an original Night Owl 10 disk, I missed the file names of the
PK> offending files. Could somebody please post them so I can Block them o

SPORT21C.ZIP and SF2_UP.ZIP.


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From: RON HAMMER                             Number: 9716
  To: JOE SITKO                                Date: 12/19/93  1:55p
Subj: 7Th Guest & SVGA question               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JS> I just bought a used copy of 7th Guest on CD.  I didn't
JS> time I bought it, that it needs SVGA to run.  My question
JS> just go out and buy a SVGA card to replace my VGA card, and
JS> monitor (VGA) still work, or do I need to go out and get a
Well I had the same problem. And yes you can just get the SVGA Card. You wil
have to choice MCGA graphic choice. If you can afford it buy the Monitor also
Ron

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From: GARY HUFF                              Number: 9717
  To: MIKE BILOW                               Date: 12/19/93 10:03a
Subj: Re: Panasonic 562                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

MB> SHORTING "GROUND" LEADS TOGETHER WILL DESTROY AUDIO OUTPUT TRANSISTORS

 GH> Yes, that part is absolutely correct.

MB> As long as we are in agreement on that point, I see no reason to conti
MB> what is clearly an off-topic thread.

I believe the topic started out discussing the audio output of CD-ROM
players.  In that case, this is very much on topic...  unless the
CD-ROM echo restricts discussion only to the little metal wheels that
go into the players, and allows no discussion of the players
themselves, or their hookups.


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From: BENNY CHAN                             Number: 9718
  To: MARC PELLEGRINO                          Date: 12/19/93 10:54a
Subj: MORTAL                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

MP╞═─-> With this configuration, you should be running your 7th guest
MP╞═─-> smoothly... well, maybe YOU are not the one with the 'clicking'
MP╞═─-> problem...<G> BTW, I just got the beta of Mortal Kombat, and my
MP╞═─-> friend said it's slow on his 486-40 with 8 Meg of RAM... (another
MP╞═─-> 'high requirement' game) but it runs fine on my 486 66 with 8 Meg...
MP╞═─-> Any comments on getting it to run faster on a 486 40?

MP╞═─Well....  I just got the pre-release of MK and it runs VERY fast on my
MP╞═─486-40 with 8mb, even with QEMM v7.03 running...    What memory manager
MP╞═─is your friend using..?   Did he try a clean boot?

Welp, don't know about my friend, he just told me that he's running on a
486 40 and he said it's slow... I haven't seen it running on his...
Well, maybe he plays too much street fighter and used to the fast
action... <G> Wonder if they will come out a Mortal Kombat Champion
Turbo Edition... <G> I'm using QEMM 703 and it SURE is GREAT! :)
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From: BENNY CHAN                             Number: 9719
  To: BRIAN KELLER                             Date: 12/19/93 10:54a
Subj: MORTAL KOMBAT PC                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BK╞═─I have mortal kombat for my 386\40 mhz
BK╞═─and it runs alot faster than the arcade i use a commanche
BK╞═─maxium overkill boot disk the only problem is that it only runs
BK╞═─fast now and then and the sounds harible.

THE SOUND? You have the mortal kombat with SOUND? Ummm... that must be a
newer release... BTW, what's a MAXIUM OVERKILL BOOT DISK, what does it
do? Get your system to run faster??
BTW, you know what should I do... to get it run faster? I should turn
off my turbo to 33 Mhz and enter the game, then turn the turbo back on
to 66, cause some of the game checks for system speed...
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From: BENNY CHAN                             Number: 9720
  To: RON HAMMER                               Date: 12/19/93 10:54a
Subj: Mortal Combat                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

RH╞═─BC> RH╞═─BC> BTW, I just got the beta of Mortal Kombat, and my
RH╞═─BC> Well, I'm running it on my 66 and it's EXACTLY the same
RH╞═─BC> speed as the
RH╞═─BC> arcade... The game is the same, everything is the same,
RH╞═─BC> beta, I end it and after SHANG TSANG (or whoever that old

RH╞═─Were did you get it from?
RH╞═─Ron

A friend gave it to me... It was on one of the boards that is long
distance from me and non-long distance for my friend, so that's why he
got it for me...
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From: TRANE FRANCKS                          Number: 9721
  To: BRICE FLECKENSTEIN                       Date: 12/13/93  4:29p
Subj: GOOD SHAREWARE CD                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting - Brice Fleckenstein to Trane Francks, 08 Dec 93  12:51
 -=> Subject - GOOD SHAREWARE CD

 BF> I don't know of ANY disc that has that wide a range of stuff, but the
 BF> Walnut Creek "Garbo" disc includes both Mac and DOS stuff (and they
 BF> MIGHT have slipped a little Windows stuff in there too).

Thanks for the info. Have saved it for future reference. Gotta
buy a CD-ROM soon(!), as I just received my Mitsumi LU005S and
installed it yesterday.

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From: TRANE FRANCKS                          Number: 9722
  To: GARY HUFF                                Date: 12/13/93  4:34p
Subj: Re: Good ShareWare CD                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting - Gary Huff to Trane Francks, 11 Dec 93  08:04
 -=> Subject - Re: Good ShareWare CD

 GH> Chiba!  You're off the beaten path.  Hope they've improved that rail
 GH> line since I rode it in 1964... that was some of JNR's worst track.  I

It's not bad at all. The worst thing about riding the Sobu line
now is the sheer number of people that use it to commute. Rush
hour is something to avoid whenever possible, I can promise you.
;-)

 GH> really envy you being there...  without a doubt, that's the best, most
 GH> interesting country on the planet.

Dunno about that. Tokyo is also the most expensive city to live
in, and my *local* BBS phone bill is around US$150. Not fun when
you have only a few members that decide to contribute to the
cause.

 GH> Next time you go out to eat, have
 GH> some Gyoza for me!  I really miss Gyoza!  :-)

Will do. And I'll drink a few Kirin for you to.<G>

 GH> Ref. Mac files on a CD-ROM, I wonder if it would be possible to set up
 GH> two CD-ROM readers... one for the Nightowl or Pier 3 or whatever you
 GH> end up deciding to go with, and another for a Mac collection.  Or

Would be nice, but I've only got one on the system, with no cash
to pick up another one for quite a while (just ordered 16MB RAM,
a caching controller and a Connor 540MB IDE drive).

 GH> If I stumble across any disks with Mac and MS-DOS files on the
 GH> same disk, I'll let you know.

Thanks. Would really like to offer the Mac users a little
something. Right now, the only Mac files I've got online are the
ones that the Mac users have uploaded.

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From: VINCE LUCCHETTI                        Number: 9723
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/12/93  8:25a
Subj: Multimedia                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Seems this message got lost in the electronic void...

At any rate, I have been seeing some great deals for CD drives and upgrade kits
and wonder if I would need to upgrade my soundcard (currently a Sounblaster 2.0
8 bit card) to use with a new cd drive.

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From: VIJAY MITHA                            Number: 9724
  To: CHRIS CONKLIN                            Date: 12/12/93 11:40p
Subj: Re: Best Prices Around!                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 CC> Post or Call for a catalog, then check around.  Find it cheaper, give
 CC> us a call and we'll try and match or beat it!
 CC> We deal in all types of CD Titles.

 Hi Chris!
 Please send catalog to:
 P O Box 3159
 Port Elizabeth
 6056
 Ph  : 27-41-472-359
 Fax : [phone].

 Thanks
 Vijay Mitha.



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From: RUSLAN SAAVEDRA                        Number: 9725
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/10/93  4:37p
Subj: Rebel Assault & Syndicate               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello to Everyone,

I have purchased Rebel Assault CD game, its clearly a spectacular arcade
shoot'em up game, bright graphics and 15 frames per second on a 486 DX
33 Mhz with a MPC 1 CD-ROM ( 150 kbs ). I am currentl stuck in chapter 7
the one where you must destroy OR find a way out of the cave infested
with Empire's Droids. Can any one tell me the way or what to do, the
password for chapter 4 is FALCON and the password for chapter 7 is AENOT
or AONAT, easy level. I could also benefit from the password to the
following level ( there are 15 in total ).

As for Syndicate, has the "American Revolt" Data Disk been released in
SA??? I would surely enjoy its upgrade for extra missions and ability to
play by direct link or network ( up to EIGHT players!!!! ).

By the way, a cheat for Synd. Choose new company, and at the company's
name type TO THE TOP and you'll get to choose your countries to invade
and get 10000000 credits to buy equipment ( which are all available!!!
PLUS all the V3 MODS!!! )

Cheers,...
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From: SHEPARD MASHAYAMOMBE                   Number: 9726
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/11/93  1:25p
Subj: 123 testing                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

To: All
By: [e-mail] (Shepard Mashayamombe)
On: Saturday December 11 1993 at 13:25

Please reply to this message. I ain't gettin' nothin' in dis echo.

Regards,

Shepard.


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From: GIULIANO MACIOCCI JR                   Number: 9727
  To: KIN NG                                   Date: 12/11/93  1:48p
Subj: Re: Advice                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Kin!


 On dark and windy Thursday December 02 1993, Kin Ng bellowed:

 KN> Tony, it is a good choice to go with the Toshiba. The soft eject is
 KN> one of its best features.

Soft eject? All I know is that my Panasonic can be ejected through keyboard
input. Didn't mean to butt in, just make a smallish point. Thanks for your
patience :-)

TTYL
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CP 2.00 [GM] ■ Pardon my driving, I'm trying to reload.

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From: GIULIANO MACIOCCI JR                   Number: 9728
  To: RICKY BOOTH                              Date: 12/11/93  1:52p
Subj: Re: 7th Guest 'clicking'                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Ricky!


 On dark and windy Sunday December 05 1993, Ricky Booth bellowed:

 RB> The game runs smoothly soundwise and graphic wise. Meets 100% of the
 RB> requirments in the 7th Guest install thing on this system :

 RB> Processor : 386/40 w/ 4 megs memory, 64k interal cache.
 RB> CD Rom    : Creative Labs OMNI (320ms, 300k rate, 64k ram buffer)
 RB> Video     : Trident SVGA 8900CL w/ 1 meg DRAM Sound     : Soundblaster
 RB> Pro

EXACTLY my configuration, to the last detail (I use 128 cache, though ;-)
And the game flies. Of course, running in SVGA the Trident can't cope without a
bit of jerkyness during full-screen motion, but when just objects (eg.people,
ghosts etc) moveon the screen it looks like a movie...Excellent!

TTYL
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Giuliano  Maciocci Jr  (AKA Raver)
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CP 2.00 [GM] ■ Well done is better than well said.

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From: GIULIANO MACIOCCI JR                   Number: 9729
  To: JANUSZ SUROWKA                           Date: 12/11/93  1:57p
Subj: Re: MPC-2                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Janusz!


 On dark and windy Saturday December 04 1993, Janusz Surowka bellowed:

 JS> I just wanna ask everyone a question...
 JS> I'd like to know if my 386DX-40 would be considered in the MPC2
 JS> catergory after all it should be, since i did a benchmarking program
 JS> and it simply smokes the 486-25

Yep. It would. I have one too... :-)

TTYL
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From: GIULIANO MACIOCCI JR                   Number: 9730
  To: RICK SHOAF                               Date: 12/11/93  2:08p
Subj: Re: VIRUS                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Rick!


 bright and merry Tuesday November 30 1993, Brice Fleckenstein whispered:

 >> It is possible to promise and deliver virus free CDROM's.
 BF>  Not if you insist on catering to the "newest is greatest" crowd.
 BF>  And HOPE that your virus checker can catch the stuff that just
 BF> appeared.

 >> Is that too much to ask? They want us to buy their products,
 >> so they should take the responsibility to check it if they want to
 >> make any major amounts of sales.

 BF>  Point - the virus checker that found the NO10 viruses DID NOT EXIST
 BF> at the time that NO10 was SHIPPED - much less at the time NO10 was
 BF> sent to the manufacturer.

 >> This is not the first time that a NightOwl disk has had
 >> a virus on it

 BF>  And won't be the last time a disc that goes for "the latest in
 BF> shareware" has a virus on it - that is an EXPECTED operating hazzard
 BF> of the environment involved. It's FAR worse for those COMMERCIAL
 BF> programs that have had virusus on THEM....
 BF>  I'm just waiting for the first virus to get found on Pier 3 - that
 BF> "no virus guarentee" is just BEGGING for trouble....

You both have excellent points from your views, but it must be said that Night
Owl 10 *IS* still a good CD, no matter what. Come on, once you avoid the three
infected files, the stuff they provided on the CD is pretty darn good. I am
indeed sorry for those who discovered the virus first hand, but I personally
like the CD and do not regret having bought it as my very first CD-ROM disc.
Sure, the interface sucks, some of the swimsuit pics could have been left out
of the CD <g> but on the whole I do believe it's worth its money. Please do not
start flame wars, I'm just expressing an opinion as you did. Thanks for your
time reading this.

TTYL
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From: CURTIS BURISCH                         Number: 9731
  To: BOB TEMPLETON                            Date: 12/11/93 11:37a
Subj: Re: Help! ??                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

From: Curtis Burisch, [e-mail], 5:7211/1.107
Hi there!

 On Friday December 03 1993, Bob Templeton whispered to All:

 BT> Hi, Iim running an nec cd rom and am happy with the performance but am
 BT>  thinking about getting a sound card to run some of the multimedia
 BT> apps around. my question is, can I buy an older 8 bit card or are the
 BT> newer programs expecting to see a l6 bit card in the system? if the
 BT> programs don't care, will i notice a humongous difference in sound
 BT> quality between the 8 and l6 bit cards. btw i don't need a card with
 BT> any kind of scsi interface. thanks for your help in advance. bob

Take it from me: You'll be a whole lot better off getting a 16-bit card! I
bought a Sound Blaster Pro II recently, and I regret not having bought the 16
ASP or the PAS 16.

The programs I'm running don't demand a 16-bit card, but the quality isn't as
good as I would want.

Hope this helps,
        --==## Curtis ##==--

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From: CURTIS BURISCH                         Number: 9732
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/11/93 11:53a
Subj: OS/2 CD...                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Does anyone out there know if OS/2 can be run straight off the CD (with SOME
stuff on the HD, of course)?
        --==## Curtis ##==--

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From: CURTIS BURISCH                         Number: 9733
  To: SHEPARD MASHAYAMOMBE                     Date: 12/11/93  6:00p
Subj: Re: 123 testing                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 SM> Please reply to this message. I ain't gettin' nothin' in dis echo.

This reply is self-explanatory...

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From: RICHARD PILLAY                         Number: 9734
  To: BRICE FLECKENSTEIN                       Date: 12/11/93 11:43p
Subj: 100 disk changer???                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BF> NSM makes a 100 disc CD-ROM changer, and I remember seeing ads for at least
BF>one other such unit.


What do these things sell for?

Richard.


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From: GARY COLMAN                            Number: 9735
  To: HUGH CRAIG                               Date: 12/12/93  3:38a
Subj: 7th guest and viper                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Ha. I got a Trident 8900c ISA SVGA 1meg and I got a whole %1 of optimal!
 > On a 486-33 no less,running off a Mitsumi FX001D 2x.
I had a 1MB 8900B Trident card, on a 386sx33, which gave 40%.
I now have a Cx486DLC40 with 1MB ET-4000/W32 VLB board, which
gives 100%

 > That and the blobs in the microscope and a few others. I've
yeah, micro probs here too.  But I'll get it EVENTUALLY ;-)

Cheers
  Gary

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From: GARY KELLISON                          Number: 9736
  To: MICHAEL MURPHY                           Date: 12/15/93  9:51p
Subj: SD Zoo/Animals help?                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Michael, I agree with much of your well reasoned reply.   True, the
interface of the San Diego Zoo Animals CD-ROM may be a good feature for
many people.  Personally, I just expect a high degree of uniformity
across Windows apps.

I have a quick test for the quality of a CD-ROM product:   Try launching
it when the CD-ROM disk isn't in the machine.   San Diego Zoo Animals
throws up the default "Application Error" message box.   Chessmaster
3000, on the other hand, gives a "CD-ROM is not in drive; please insert"
or some similar message.   I agree Chessmaster IS a quality product
that takes good advantage of multimedia.  Annoucing the moves played is
one sensible example of how to incorporate sound.  I can't wait until
Software Toolworks brings out a CD-ROM version of Chessmaster 4000,
which is curresntly out on floppies.


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From: STEVE DANIELS                          Number: 9737
  To: BORIS OSADCIW                            Date: 12/15/93 11:05p
Subj: Re: Adult CD Catalog                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BO>>>    Just wanted to know if anyone out there knows of a catalog I
BO>>>    can recieve that includes information on Adult CD's. I have
BO>>>    quite a few non adult catalogs but none with adult CD's.
BO>>>    Thanks in advance for any information you can give me.
BO>
BO>Give us a call at 216-225-3263 anytime 7 days a week and we'll be happy

Hey Boris,
        Just got my CD ROM Drive  and S. Blaster setup. I'm really
interested in adult material. Send me what info you have . Can't wait to
get started.
        Thanks
                Steve

Steve Daniels
P.O. Box 55421
Jackson, MS. 39296-5421




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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 9738
  To: MICHAEL COX                              Date: 12/16/93  6:05p
Subj: Re: cd                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 Michael   Cox   wrote   in   a    message    to    Matt    Burks:

MC>  There is a small problem  in  setting  up  the  business  area,
MC> as there is  a minor error in  the  MX_CREAM  setup  file.  This
MC> can be easily fixed  with    a  little  cut  and  paste  though.

 Don't forget to change "Edit" to "Editor"  in  your  filearea.ctl
 before you run silt and fb.    The  bug  that  causes  these  two
 flaws is in the cream.lst control file.

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From: JAMES BUTLER                           Number: 9739
  To: DAVID CHRISTENSEN                        Date: 12/16/93  7:54a
Subj: Help caching cd-rom                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

DC> I'll be picking up a Panasonic 562B cd-rom later on this week. I've seen
DC> quite a few messages related to the use of the new smartdrive to cache
DC> cd-roms. I'm going to enter my autoexec.bat and config.sys here in the
DC> hopes that someone will tell me exactly what cahnges need to be made in
DC> order to cache the new cd-rom.
DC>
DC> autoexec.bat:
DC> SET BLASTER = A220 I7 D1 T4
DC> SET SOUND = C:\SGNXPRO
DC> C:\QEMM\LOADHI /R:2 C:\DOS\SMARTDRV.EXE /X /U
    First off, Only Dos 6.2's Smartdrv caches CD ROMS.
    The only thing you have to do is load your cd rom driver on the
line before smartdrv and you are set.
TTYL !

    INTERNET: [e-mail]  & [e-mail]



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From: FRANCISCO SANCHEZ                      Number: 9740
  To: TIM SCHOOLER                             Date: 12/19/93  8:04a
Subj: Sony Cdrom Drive                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Please, do it, I'm in need of that.


Papin.

... This copy of GEdit has been unregistered for 42 days.

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From: PERRY LAWLER                           Number: 9741
  To: IAN CLEMENTS                             Date: 12/19/93  1:53p
Subj: CD-ROM kit                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> I have a complete CD-rom kit from creative labs
-> Soundblaster Pro
-> Panasonic (single spin CDR-526) drive
-> Labtec speakers
-> all the cables and set up disks etc
->
-> I'd like $275.00 but we can talk trade
->
-> This is a newish system I got about 8 months ago and I didn't use it
-> bother installing it into my system
->
-> Call [phone] after 5 pm or [phone] and ask for Ian betw
->
Just exactly what is it that you want to trade for? I have a Mitsumi
Cd-Rom Drive that I want to sell and the Cd-Rom game 7th Guest has done
been sold and shipped out. So could you be more pacific as to what you
are wanting to trade for?
     You can reach me at 205-332-4162 if you need to.

           Perry



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From: PERRY LAWLER                           Number: 9742
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/19/93  2:57p
Subj: Mitsumi CD Drive Forsale                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I have a Mitsumi LU-005S Cd-Rom Drive for sale, the drive is in
excellent condition. It comes with a 16 bit controller card and all
cables and docs and box. The drive is about 8 months old and works
great. The price is $125.00 + All shipping costs. Price is FIRM.
If interested leave message or call 205-332-4162 for more info.

        Perry



... NASCAR -- Where speed excells!
 ■ TLX v3.10 ■


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From: DOUG HUMMEL                            Number: 9743
  To: MARK SKELLY                              Date: 12/19/93  7:33a
Subj: Cd-rom                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

MARK, GIVE ME A CALL AS SOON AS YOU ARE READY TO STOP PLAYING GAMES...  I
FIGURED OUT BY YOUR PHONE # THAT YOU ARE THE GUY THAT TOLD ME HE WAS WILLING
(MAYBE WILLING) TO ARRANGE IT SO I COULD HAVE SOUND... YOU PROBABLY DON'T
REMEMBER ME BUT I HAVE BEEN TO YOUR HOUSE BEFORE TO LOOK AT A COMPUTER SYSTEM
THAT WAS IN A        CORDADO CASE (MY SPELLING IS BAD BUT YOU GET THE
IDEAS.....
IF YOU ARE REALLY SINCERE GIVE ME A CALL AT 372-4610......
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From: BORIS OSADCIW                          Number: 9744
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/20/93  3:51a
Subj: HOT CD                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

            C R E A M     O F     T H E     C R O P    I I

OVER 654 MEGS New Shareware   4987 Files Dated '93'  Dup Checked
Virus Checked                 Files.BBS Support      Multi Line Discription
Mouse Support Menu            14Megs Prog Code       Plus MORE !!!
Only 200 prog Older Than April '93' - 10% Dup to NO10, Pier3, Software Gold

DEALERS WELCOME.......      PRICE - $25.

ORDERS ONLY US/CAN 800-243-0517  TECH/QUES 216-225-3263   FAX [phone]

Boris Osadciw

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From: BORIS OSADCIW                          Number: 9745
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/20/93  3:51a
Subj: NIGHT OWL 10.1                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

                       N I G H T  O W L  10.1

* Over 5,100 NEW Files   * Over 647 Meg's    * No Dupes   * Virus Checked
* No Dupes To v9.0       * All Zipped Files  * New Viewer * and  More  !!
"Night Owl 10.1 "  is here  and ready  for  delievery  !! All programs on
this cd were written or updated between Jan 1st and  Sept 1st 1993.  In
fact, 100megs of the total files are from Sept 1993.In addition, N.O has
a mouse driven GUI interface for both DOS and Windows !!
           Call Now And Get Your Copy ! - PRICE - $30.00
ORDERS ONLY!  US/CAN  800-243-0517  TEC/QUES 216-225-3263  FAX [phone]

Boris Osadciw

... Be Young! Have Fun! Use Silver Xpress!
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From: BORIS OSADCIW                          Number: 9746
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/20/93  3:51a
Subj: SPECIAL                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~[  S P E C I A L  B U N D L E S  ]~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
1. Software Vault Gold     2. Night Owl 10.1        3. Shareware Online 2
   Software Vault Games       Night Owl Games          Gameware
   Software Vault Windows     Night Owl Graphics       Soundware
   Price - $49.00             Price - $65.00           Price - $49.00

4. Hobbes OS/2 'NOV'       5. Tech Arsenal          6. Pier 3
   Window Users Arch          TechnoTool               Cream Of The Crop II
   Price - $30.00             Price - $30.00           Price - $45.00
   ORDERS ONLY US/CAN 800-243-0517 TECH/QUE 216-225-3263 FAX [phone]


Boris Osadciw

... XPRESS - the fastest way to get around the world.
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From: BORIS OSADCIW                          Number: 9747
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/20/93  3:51a
Subj: CDROM SYSTEMS                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

**************** C D - R O M    D R I V E   P R I C E S ****************
Chinon Int 340ms Kit    - $359.00  Chinon Ext 340ms Kit - $449.00 - SCSI
NEC 74 280ms Ext Bare   - $379.00  NEC 84 280ms Int Bare - $349.00 -SCSI
Panasonic 562 Int Kit   - $249.00  Phillips Int 400ms Bare $185.00 -SCSI
Pioneer DMR600 Bare     - $739.00  Pioneer DMR604X Bare  - $1169.  -SCSI
Texel Int 245ms w/ctl   - $369.00  Texel Ext 245ms Bare  - $469.00 -SCSI
Texel Int 3021 Bare  Dr - $189.00  Texel Ext Complete Kit- $569.00 -SCSI
Toshiba Int 3401B Bare  - $389.00  Toshiba Ext 3401B Bare- $489.00 -SCSI

 Groilers Encyc DOS v6.  $50.          ALL ChestNuts CD's $10.00ec
ORDER'S ONLY US/CAN 800-243-0517 TECH/QUES 216-225-3263 FAX [phone]


Boris Osadciw

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From: BORIS OSADCIW                          Number: 9748
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/20/93  3:51a
Subj: NEW CD                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

       A L L  N E W  C D  "S O  M U C H  M O D E M  M A D N E S S"

   7,200 Files             Over 600+ Megs                BBS Ready
   Rip Graphics - BBS Doors - BBS Programs - Modem Utils - Ham Radio
 Desqview - Ansi Graphics - Programming - OS/2 Communcation - Comm Prgs
 Networking Utils - Netmail Progs - Win Communcation - Transfer Protocol
 and a whole lot more......
                              Price - $25.00

 ORDERS ONLY US/CAN 800-243-0517 TECH/QUES 216-225-3263 FAX [phone]

Boris Osadciw

... Be Young! Have Fun! Use Silver Xpress!
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From: PAUL ROBERTS                           Number: 9749
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/20/93  5:05a
Subj: JEM DISK                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello All!

Does anybody know if Jem Disk is still in business. I have last years cd and
have had more people use those files than any new file that has come in. I
would like to get there 93 version asap if they are still around.

If not can someone recommend one shareware version that is even close to Jem
Disk.

I am also interested in a GIF cd for my other drive.

Thanks in advance for any info.

Paul Roberts

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From: DOUG JONES                             Number: 9750
  To: MARC PELLEGRINO                          Date: 12/19/93  8:26p
Subj: MORTAL                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Well....  I just got the pre-release of MK and it runs VERY fast on
-> my 486-40 with 8mb, even with QEMM v7.03 running...    What memory
-> manager is your friend using..?   Did he try a clean boot?


Care to share how you got the MK pre-release.. I'd love to get it too!

"Come Here"..

DJ

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From: KIRK BAXTER                            Number: 9751
  To: HAYDEN BRADSHAW                          Date: 12/18/93 11:25p
Subj: Commericial Cd Roms?                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 On 12-16-93 HAYDEN BRADSHAW wrote to KENT TIMM...

 HB>
 HB> Hayden Bradshaw
 HB> HRB Computer Services
 HB> 14 Hollis Crescent
 HB> Holland Landing, Ontario L9N 1E7
 HB>
 HB> Information & Fax line:  [phone]
 HB> Orders ONLY:  1-800-265-7081

Hayden,
   Please send one of your catalogs.  It sounds great, and with my new
CD-ROM drive, I'm looking for good priced CDs.
   My address is:
   Kirk Baxter
   P.O.B. 11201
   Shawnee Mission, KS.  66207


   Thanks.
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From: KIRK BAXTER                            Number: 9752
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/18/93 11:33p
Subj: World Atlas Programs                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello to all:
   As the new owner of a CD-ROM drive, I'm interested in what people
   have found in the way of GOOD world atlas programs.  I picked up
   a bundled packet of programs including a US atlas, world atlas,
   chessmaster program and typing tutor.  I should have realized that
   there was too much in this package at too good of a price for any
   one of the products to be too good.

   The world atlas (by the Software Toolworks) is a multimedia product,
   with all sorts of nice features such as world flags, national anthems,
   etc.... but the maps are lacking.

   Does anyone know of an atlas program that has really detailed maps,
   such that one can zoom in for detail, and equal the detail of book
   atlases?

    Thanks.
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From: RICHIE NEBB                            Number: 9753
  To: TIM HELTON                               Date: 12/19/93  3:17p
Subj: Re: *custom Cd-roms                     Refer: NONE
Read: 12/22/93  6:18a                       Private: No

 -=> Quoting Tim Helton to Bob Mcgrath <=-
XXXXXXX
XXXXXXX


XXXXXXXX
 -> Please do NOT post commercial ads in ANY conference other than For-$a
 -> COMMERCIAL!
 ->
 -> It definitely is NOT welcome here!
 ->
 -> Thanx!
 ->
 -> Bob (Moderator)

 TH> You're in the wrong echo, bubba.  This is FidoNet's CDROM echo and BOB
 TH> HALL is the moderator!  And just for the record, advertising *is*
 TH> allowed.

 TH> tim
 TH> co-moderator


 TH> -!- WM v3.00/92-0015
 TH>  ! Origin: The Liability BBS 404-491-1405  (1:133/515.0)



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From: JACK WIGGINS                           Number: 9754
  To: DAVE REED                                Date: 12/19/93  1:47a
Subj: NIGHT OWL 10 VIRUS REPORT               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > And you might be too young to remember that EVERY release of Night
 > Owls has had commercial programs and/or virus problems.  EVERY ONE
 > OF THEM!  The folks putting Night Owls together do NOT take
 > necessary precautions, and the courts are having a field day with
 > Mr. Graham (aka Night Owl Publisher).

That's a very interesting statement.  Since we have a local BBS running not
only the NightOwl 10 disk (with infected files locked out) but the NightOwl 9
disk as well, I'd like to hear what files on the 9 disk are infected.  I'll
test em and get this statement cleared up pronto.



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From: JACK WIGGINS                           Number: 9755
  To: JOE RINEHART                             Date: 12/19/93  1:58a
Subj: CD-ROM INFO HELP!!                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 >     It really depends what you are looking for in a drive.  If you
 > want to plan for adding rom-drives in the future (daisy chaining)
 > for bbs use, then you might want to look at some other models as
 > well.  Mitsumi drives can not be daisy chained, but if you are
 > useing them for personnal use, it wouldn't matter.

I just saw a text file regarding how to daisy chain Mitsumi drives.  Didn't
download it because of time considerations but if this is something wanted,
I'll be happy to go get the file and see what it says.



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From: JOE WALKER                             Number: 9756
  To: BOYD ROBERSON                            Date: 12/20/93 11:41a
Subj: Re: SB docs                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting Boyd Roberson to All <=-

 BR> I got a "multimedia" 486 that had been a display model..
 BR> Got it mucho cheap, but.. starting to wonder if the price difference
 BR> was worthwhile! Figured I could borrow/buy docs from people I work
 BR> with, but.. they're all lacking SB, CD-rom, SVGA, etc. stuff.. To keep
 BR> it on topic (grin) I'll just ask where I can get info and/or original
 BR> docs for soundblaster pro, cd-roms (will settle for general info on
 BR> that till I can find the brand/model), svga, etc..
 BR> Also.. Windows shows a "[MCI] CD Audio" driver to be missing.. Where
 BR> do I get it? What is it? Worth looking for?

     Hi Boyd.  I have the SoundBlaster Pro and have all the docs and would
     be glad to photo copy any of them you may need.  As for the MCI Cd
     Audio driver, it can be found on your Windows installation disks.
     All you do is, open the control panel, double click the drivers icon,
     click "Add" and select MCI CD Audio from the list.  Then the computer
     will prompt you for the different Windows disks.  If you didn't get
     the installation disks with your computer, I would suggest that you
     call the manufacturer and request that they send you the disks. You
     will probably have to prove to them that you did indeed buy the
     computer from a store.  You may also get help from the store you
     purchased the computer from (as far as the disks are concerned.)
     Oh, one other thing, you asked what the driver was, and was it worth
     looking for.  Well, the driver will allow you to play audio cds on
     your computer cd drive.  My computer is in the living room where
     my stereo is and therefore the cd audio isn't worth messing with.
     I guess what I'm trying to say is that the worth can only be
     determined by you.

     Cheers
     Joe


... Cheese food---------What cheese eats!
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From: BILL CARBONELLI                        Number: 9757
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/19/93 11:00p
Subj: FREE!                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


Alright, instead of replying to a few hundred msgs i'm just going to
send this SINGLE msg to cut down on the amount of traffic going around
the net...

A few friends and i are looking into getting CDRom drives soon, and
we're looking for catalogs of whatever titles are available... Rather
than reply to everybody individually who has posted ads, i'll send this
once:

PUT US ON YOUR MAILING LISTS!!! 8)

                          Bill Carbonelli, Owner/COCE
                          C.V.I.
                          P.O.Box 36O126
                          Brooklyn, New York 11236-O126

Thanks!

Happy Holidays!

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From: HUGH CRAIG                             Number: 9758
  To: MATT DELCO                               Date: 12/20/93 12:42p
Subj: Good Shareware Cds                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message dated 12-15-93, Matt Delco said to All:

MD>If you know of some good shareware CDs, please let me know.  I'm mainly
MD>looking for CDs with programs that someone would really want to use, not
MD>600MB of dumb and useless utilities.

MD>Also, does anyone know of a shareware CD with a focus on and BBs
MD>programs and utilities and/or modeming?

Take the 4 pack Sharware Explorer off the list. I just got
it and thought the listings lame.


Nice interface but the search engine is as slow as molases. Makes
it close to useless. I've got magazine CDs that are a 100 times
faster when searching for text strings,etc. Sickening to see...

There was room for another 50 megs or so on the few I bothered
to check for 'fillingness'.

But I'm a perfectionist.

I'm going to look for Peir 7 disks now.

Trailer text for Mr. Bill

 Taken from COMPUTER RETAIL WEEK December 6 1993:

   Ingram Micro Best Seller's List
   Operating Systems and Languages

___>>  1.  OS/2 2.1 Upgrade   (!!!!!!)
       2.  Windows 3.1
       3.  Windows 3.1 Upgrade

Hugh Craig


.. It's OS/2, Jim, but not OS/2 as we know it.
-- MR/2 #114


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From: SEAN SINICO                            Number: 9759
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/11/93  2:04p
Subj: Toshiba CD-ROM                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello everyone, I was wodering if anyone had a Toshiba 3401 drive, if you
knew if it could be connected to a NEC SCSI interface (cdxt003)?

Thank you
Sean Sinico

... "42? 7 and a half million years and all you can come up with is 42?!"
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From: HENRY PAUL                             Number: 9760
  To: RICK NAY                                 Date: 12/19/93 10:23a
Subj: DSP 16,Soundwave 32                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

RN>Just wanted to tell everyone that has a Cardinal DSP 16 or Orchid Soundwave
RN>you can know get MPEG audio compression that give 8:1 compression on 44khz 1
RN>bit stereo sound, and up to 30:1 on lower sample..Contact Xing Technology In
RN>at 1-800-294-6448..It sells for $99.95..

Wow! That sounds great, but how's the ound quality at 8:1? I tried 2bit
compression on .voc files, and it kills the sound. 4bit seems to work
okay, but that only gives about 2:1 ratio....

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From: DAVE REED                              Number: 9761
  To: BENJAMIN ORTIZ                           Date: 12/19/93  1:27p
Subj: Night Owl 10 Virus!!!                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Benjamin!

Friday December 17 1993 18:24, Benjamin Ortiz wrote to Mike Shannon:

 BO> But was the DAMN THING LICENSED?  If it's NOT licensed, they can't use it!

 BO> THAT'S MY FRIGGEN POINT!  <shaking fists in air and stomping ground>

 BO> They used the most RECENT LICENSED virus scanners available.  If they used
 BO> the shareware, they'd be violating a business contract they have with the
 BO> respective companies!

 BO> <Blo>

You'll do anything you can to cloud the issue, won't you.  The point is: Night
Owl does NOT have a very good quality control program.  Every disc Richard
releases is to generate revenue to pay off the lawsuits and/or claims from the
previous disc.  He pushes his product out the door quickly, ignoring much of
the detail in preparation that many other producers involve themselves in.

What's your involvement with Richard, anyway?  Are you lovers?

Later,

Dave

... Genetics: proof that Mother Nature gambles.  Clinton: proof she lost!

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From: BAYANI CUSTODIO                        Number: 9762
  To: KOMKIT LISTISARD                         Date: 12/18/93  7:57a
Subj: At Bus & Scsi                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

KL>  Hi, I have a Mitsumi int D-speed here on my BBS, as you know it
KL>an AT BUS, so my question is its going to be ok if I get a SCSI drive
KL>and the controller card and put it in the same computer. Do you think is
KL>that ok?

the MITSUMI controller card and my IN-2000 SCSI card work together in
the same computer bus without any problems.

KL>  See, because I don't want to get rid of the AT BUS cd-rom, and I Just
KL>got it only 2 months.. now I need mode cd-rom drive but not sure it will
KL>be ok if I add another drive but this time going to be a SCSI?

Go for it... put on another SCSI drive and things should work... mind
you I haven't tried it.

See yah later
Bayani
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From: JD BROWN                               Number: 9763
  To: BRICE FLECKENSTEIN                       Date: 12/20/93  9:16p
Subj: Encarta                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

CIS: 72027,2432  Internet: [e-mail]   IBM LINK @
DEV0580

BF> >Sam's is a wholeslae place for all sorts of supplies and
BF> >other stuff from food
BF> >to frizbees.   It was created by Sam Walton the creator of the Walmart
chain
BF> >(and wealthiest man in America until his death last year.)
BF>
BF>  Not quite - Bill the Gates passed Sam up a year or two back....


 Incorrect. Sam Walton remained the richest man in America until
 2 years before his death when he redistributed his wealth to
 all of the heirs that he WANTED to have his money.
 Today, had Sam Walton lived and not redistributed his wealth, he
 would be worth almost three times as much as Gates.


___
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From: ROBERT BRIGGS                          Number: 9764
  To: AL KOLLER                                Date: 12/20/93  5:33p
Subj: Re: Christmas stuff!?                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 AK> Hi Robert.  This is a Pioneer DRM600 six disk
 AK> changer.  It comes with the power cord and a
 AK> cassette for the disks.  Many controllers will
 AK> support this unit, which also is supported by
 AK> OS/2.  It is a true SCSI unit, easy to configure
 AK> and quite dependable, used earlier and now held as
 AK> a spare.
Hi Al... I don't think I am the intended recipient of your message, unless I've
developed a case of severe brain rot.  Merry Christmas!
bob briggs

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From: CHAD REID                              Number: 9765
  To: GIULIANO MACIOCCI JR                     Date: 12/20/93 12:06p
Subj: SCAN 109                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

GMJ>Hi Chad!


GMJ> On dark and windy Friday December 10 1993, Chad Reid bellowed:

GMJ> GMJ>> I just got McAffee's SCAN 109... Does this detect the dreaded
GMJ> GMJ>> Butterfly vir strain in the Night Owl 10 disk? Does CLEAN 109
GMJ> GMJ>> remove it? Anyone?

GMJ> CR> It should. It will take a while for the entire scanning to take place.

GMJ>Thanks. I didn't know SCAN could actually find anything in ZIPs, though! I
GMJ>extracted the files, tested them and bingo, there were the 2 viruses. Memor
GMJ>lapse on the Streetfighter upgrade can't be removed, though...Pity.

GMJ>TTYL
GMJ>__________________________________
GMJ>Giuliano  Maciocci Jr  (AKA Raver)
GMJ>FidoNet : 5:7211/1.78
GMJ>InterNet: [e-mail]
GMJ>----------------------------------

I believe that you have to get a scanner that is capable of scanning
.ZIPs.


Chad


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From: CHAD REID                              Number: 9766
  To: DON BOSMAN                               Date: 12/20/93 12:06p
Subj: scanning speed                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

DB>CR>support. Any way, could you imagine, unzipping, creating directories,
DB>CR>testing, scanning, and then deleting over 650 Megs of compressed
DB>CR>files!!! I'm willing to be that it would think at least three months
DB>CR>easily. That's a lot of time.


DB>Duh...  By testing, do you mean for virri?
DB>  If so, the process takes less than a day.
DB>  Maybe a few days, IF one used all available virus checkers.

DB>If you meant testing for useability or functionality, never mind.

I mean complete testing, I've downloaded several shareware programs that
were unworkable and no one else cound use them either or at least get
thme to work right. I think that all shareware should be put on tests,
or maybe even scored, if it gets below a certain score, it doesn't make
the cut.


Chad


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From: ED CORREIA                             Number: 9767
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/19/93  6:32a
Subj: Cinemania Problems                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Is anyone else having problems with MS Cinemania? I have a Tseng 4000
video card and have been told that the reson I keep getting a General
Protection fault is due to a VGA driver my card uses. I thought I was
using the latest drivers, but now I am not so sure.

Has anyone else experienced this? Have you fixed the problem? If so,
how?

Thanks in advance!
--Ed Correia

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From: WILLIAM SCHNEIDER, JR.                 Number: 9768
  To: BRICE FLECKENSTEIN                       Date: 12/19/93  2:35a
Subj: CD REVIEW MAGZINE                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BF> >Is Wayne Green back?
BF>
BF>  When did he ever leave?

Well, I remember 'CD Review' back in the old days when Wayne first
started it, when it was called 'Digital Audio'. It was a really neat
rag, and it seemed that Mr. Green had his hands in every piece of the
pie. As time went on, I stopped buying it, then it went through major
changes. Last year, when I was a buyer for a record store, the 'CD
Review' people called me to try to have me sell the magizine in our
store, and I did. Not only had the whole magizine changed, but Wayne
Green didn't publish it anymore! Wayne did have huge ads in the back of
the issues, selling CD's with unknown artists, but he didn't seem to
have anything to do with it otherwise. When I saw your message about
'CD Review' getting into CD-ROM, I thought, "Oh boy, that Wayne Green
has found a new toy to push on his fans.". Anyway, is he really back?

-William


 * KWQ/2 1.2b * ... Since I've used up my sick leave, I'm calling in Dead.
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From: CHRIS ZITO                             Number: 9769
  To: RICK NAY                                 Date: 12/18/93 10:01p
Subj: DSP 16,Soundwave 32                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 RN> Xing Technology Inc at 1-800-294-6448..It sells for $99.95..
What sells for $99.95?


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From: DAVID WHITMAN                          Number: 9770
  To: BRIAN KELLER                             Date: 12/19/93  7:08p
Subj: Re: mortal kombat pc                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting message from Brian to Benny on 12-1793  21:11 <=-

 BK> I have mortal kombat for my 386\40 mhz

how long have they had Mortal Kombat for PC?  Is this on CD, or HD? Also, how
much space it is (meg wise), and could you be statistical?  What sound, video,
etc.?




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From: DAVID WHITMAN                          Number: 9771
  To: JOE SITKO                                Date: 12/19/93  7:08p
Subj: Re: 7th guest & svga ques               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting message from Joe to All on 12-1793  09:17 <=-

 JS> I just bought a used copy of 7th Guest on CD.  I didn't realize it at
 JS> the time I bought it, that it needs SVGA to run.  My question is," Can

I don't know about what type of hardware to buy, although I know you can play
the 7th Guest in standard VGA mode (I believe 320x200x256), although it's also
said it's not great, but better than nothing.

Oh, and a SVGA card will work with a VGA monitor, but only your monitors MAX
resolution will come through.  Example:  SVGA card has 1024x768, and you
monitor 640x480.  You still will only be able to view 640x480, but you won;t
get "this requires SVGA".


... Not tonight, dear.  I have a modem.
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From: DAVID WHITMAN                          Number: 9772
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/19/93  7:08p
Subj: "video" games                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I am really impressed by games that include LIVE Video, and digital sound!!! I
want to know of any games that have incorporated video into their games. Most
of the CD's from SegaCD such as Ground Zero Texas have live video through- out
the entire game.  Can anyone tell me of some great games for IBM-CD? I've heard
of Rebel Assault, but don't know how good this one is.  Anyone?



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From: BOYD ROBERSON                          Number: 9773
  To: ROBERT BRIGGS                            Date: 12/19/93  7:27p
Subj: Cdrom in windows problem                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

RB>Exactly my point. They make windows out to be
RB>some kind of operating
RB>system. Don't even know what DOS is.


 RB> Kind of like the statement I keep hearing: "I don't
 RB> intend to learn the language C, because I am just
 RB> going to learn C++", eh?

Not much more wrong with that than the people who think they're using an OS by
typing in a CLI and people who use GUI's are using shells...
All are 'shells'... Command.com's just oriented toward the only way to
communicate with the OS at the time.. Not THE os..

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From: BRIAN BURNETT                          Number: 9774
  To: TERRY HAMEL                              Date: 12/20/93  1:48p
Subj: WANTED: Corel Draw v3                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I got Corel Draw v3.0 cd-rom w/o docs for $75.

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From: BOBBY POSEY                            Number: 9775
  To: MIKE BILOW                               Date: 12/20/93  6:46a
Subj: Alway IN-2000 SCSI card                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > That's outrageous.  Give Always an argument on this charge.  Adaptec has
 > a toll-free support number and will provide free upgrades for their
 > ROMs.

And if the IN-2000 cost as much as the Adaptec I would expect that too.
I just bought a new IN-2000 and it was only 189.00 and the Adaptec was over
300.00...

Bobby

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From: SCOTT STADLER                          Number: 9776
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/20/93  2:36p
Subj: digitized speech                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I have a gateway 2000 66v with a soundblaster pro (8bit) card.  I cant seem to
get it to produce digitized speech what could be the problem?
The error message is an IRQ conflict with the mouse driver but they are
set to different IRQs.  Ive tried alot of IRQ combinations with no luck.  Music
will play and Microsoft bookshelf will play speech.  The games with digitized
speech that dont work are underworld, wingcommander, wizardry, carmen sandiego.
THese are all on the hard drive not on cd rom so could anyone give me some
help?

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From: JOHN SALAZAR                           Number: 9777
  To: JOE RINEHART                             Date: 12/17/93 11:16a
Subj: Catalog                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

   Please send a free catalog to:

       John Salazar
       620 Milner Mtn. Ct.
       Windsor, Colorado 80550

          Thanks


... Catch the Blue Wave!
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From: THE LAWMAN                             Number: 9778
  To: JERRY MURPHY                             Date: 12/19/93  4:31a
Subj: Night owl 10 virus                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> -> Could anybody tell me the two files that have a virus in Night Owl
-> -> virus is it.
->
-> TL>Supposely the files are SF2_up.zip, SPORT21C.ZIP AND FUTURE.EXE an
-> TL>didn't see any mention of what the virus or viruses where but I bl
-> TL>it anyway from my users.
->
-> You have the first two correct.  The report about FUTURE.EXE is a fal
-> as far as I can tell.  But since it deals with "futures", of interest
-> the "active invester", I see little problem with your decision.  To v
-> first two, you have to do some digging; the viruses ARE there.  They
-> annoying, but they are not system killers. One of the viruses is Memo
-> and the other is a form of Butterfly.
->
->   the Jerry Murphy in Lakewood, Ohio
->
->  * DeLuxe2 1.21 #8814 * Remembering all my buddies on The Wall.
->
-> --- InterPCB 1.50
->  * Origin: Nerd's Nook (216)-356-1431  -  HST   (1:157/3)

Yep, always better safe than sorry I say, guess I'll start scanning my
cd disks now when I get em, had always assumed there were no viruses on
the cds but now I know better and I still like nightowl (except ver 9)
too much junk stuff like magazines.


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From: THE LAWMAN                             Number: 9779
  To: TOM GREENING                             Date: 12/19/93  4:32a
Subj: ***FREE Catalog Offer***                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> On 12-04-93 at 15:11 THE LAWMAN Spake Unto TOM GREENING
->
-> TL>-> On 11-27-93 at 00:07 JOE RINEHART Spake Unto ALL
->
-> TL>-> JR>> CD-ROM DRIVE OWNERS, or even if you don't own one, we have
-> TL>-> JR>them.    Ask for a copy of our CDLIST!  If you'd like a prin
-> TL>-> JR>copy, se your mailing information to us.  We don't mark-up
-> TL>-> JR>shipping like ot dealers. >  We will file attach our CDLIST
-> TL>->upon request, for any
->
-> TL>-> You can send a copy my way:
->
-> TL>->                           T. Greening
-> TL>->                           5000 Sherman Blvd.
-> TL>->                           Navarre, OH  44662
->
->
-> TL>I'll take one myself, I am interested in getting a 6 disk changer
-> TL>a bbs, currently I run 3 internal mitsumi's in a mid tower, so all
-> TL>slots and bays are full now and still get 541k conv. from IBS PCDO
-> TL>6.1
-> TL>Send it to Charles Dobbs
-> TL>           C/O GSSC
-> TL>           417 Welshwood Drive,
-> TL>           Suite 108
-> TL>           Nashville, TN 37211-4225
->
->
-> TL>--- WM v3.01/93-0705
->
->
-> Sorry guy, I was asking for one myself.  You sent your message to the
-> wrong party.
->
-> T. Greening
->     "CAT"
-> Team Hazardous Waste
->
->
->
-> ---
->  * CmpQwk #UNREG * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY
->
->
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Sorry bout that, wasn't paying attention was I? Oh well getting the 6
disk changer from a local dealer now anyway.


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From: SHEA WHITE                             Number: 9780
  To: ROBIN COPELAND                           Date: 12/20/93  4:09p
Subj: BBS                                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

What's up? I saw your name on B.O.N.E. I was checking out that BBS
too. So are you able to use Procomm pretty good? I think it is alot
easier than windows, and you get to see the ansi graphics on the
buliten boards. Haven't herd from you in a while. Leave me a message
on this board or Prodigy.
            See ya,
            Shea White
\s

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From: RICK SHOAF                             Number: 9781
  To: BENJAMIN ORTIZ                           Date: 12/20/93  2:06p
Subj: Re: Virus                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BO> GMJ> You both have excellent points from your views, but it must be said
BO> GMJ> that Night Owl 10 *IS* still a good CD, no matter what. Come on, once
BO> GMJ> you avoid the three infected files, the stuff they provided on the CD
BO> GMJ> is pretty darn good. I am indeed sorry for those who discovered the
BO> GMJ> virus first hand, but I personally like the CD and do not regret
BO> GMJ> having bought it as my very first CD-ROM disc. Sure, the interface
BO> GMJ> sucks, some of the swimsuit pics could have been left out of the CD <g
BO> GMJ> but on the whole I do believe it's worth its money. Please do not star
BO> GMJ> flame wars, I'm just expressing an opinion as you did. Thanks for your
BO> GMJ> time reading this.

BO>BRAVO!  FINALLY!  SOMEONE INTELLIGENT BESIDES ME IN THIS CONFERENCE!!!

BO><Bo>

Benjamin... I just read your last 5 messages and I just wanted to tell
you that Night Owl has a long history of infected and commercial files
on it's CD's. In fact a buddy of mine just check his NO2 and found
infected files on it. I remember seeing messages in this echo about
infected files on 6, 7, and 8 as well. Given that kind of history, don't
you think that the people at NightOwl would start to use the best
scanners available.. scan 108 was on their disk, how much trouble would
it have been for them to register it and use it to scan their database
before sending it to the CD manufacturer. The Pier series and the Cream
of the Crop series are both excellent series and the last I've heard is
that they are all virus free. You may argue that as long as people want
new files they will have to chance the risk of infection, but do people
want new files so bad that they would be willing to throw all safety
nets out the window?

Rick
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From: AL RAMIREZ                             Number: 9782
  To: BOBBY POSEY                              Date: 12/20/93  6:29p
Subj: Movie CD Request                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I also am a movie buff and own Cinemania 92.  I don't think the new version is
worth the $65 price.  It only contains a few thousand more moviesand some
clips.  Have you tried the golden retriever software??  Is Psycotronic coming
out with their own software?
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From: AL RAMIREZ                             Number: 9783
  To: PAUL DELLAVALLE                          Date: 12/20/93  6:36p
Subj: seventh Guest                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

From what I have seen all 7th guest is is a bunch of animation clips and a few
puzzles.  I really hate these types of games!  I recently bought word of xeen
for $40.  It comes with two role playing games clouds of xeen and dardside of
xeen plaus the hint books for $40!!! It is a real bargain.. Oh yeah, the game
has been enhanced with 200 talking characters.
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From: JOSHUA FULLER                          Number: 9784
  To: BRIAN KELLER                             Date: 12/18/93 10:07p
Subj: MORTAL KOMBAT PC                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Subj: MORTAL KOMBAT PC               Conf: (177) CDROM NET
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I have mortal kombat for my 386\40 mhz
and it runs alot faster than the arcade i use a commanche
maxium overkill boot disk the only problem is that it only runs
fast now and then and the sounds harible.


Cool!! Where do you get it? I like that game. I also have Commanche. Do
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From: JOSHUA FULLER                          Number: 9785
  To: BORIS OSADCIW                            Date: 12/18/93 10:11p
Subj: HOT CD                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Subj: HOT CD                         Conf: (177) CDROM NET
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            C R E A M     O F     T H E     C R O P    I I

OVER 654 MEGS New Shareware   4987 Files Dated '93'  Dup Checked
Virus Checked                 Files.BBS Support      Multi Line Discription
Mouse Support Menu            14Megs Prog Code       Plus MORE !!!
Only 200 prog Older Than April '93' - 10% Dup to NO10, Pier3, Software Gold

                               PRICE - $25.


Hey, that sounds cool. I know a guy that would be interested in that. He
has about 31 cds now.
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From: JOSHUA FULLER                          Number: 9786
  To: DAVE REED                                Date: 12/18/93 10:13p
Subj: NIGHT OWL 10 VIRUS REPORT               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Night Owls reminds me of that punching clown that I had when I was a kid.
You
know... the one with a low center of gravity?  No matter how hard you hit
the damn thing, it always comes up with that silly-assed grin on it's face!
;-)



He he,. What is that court case all about? I know about the virus part.
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From: JOSHUA FULLER                          Number: 9787
  To: JASON DEVRIES                            Date: 12/20/93  3:19p
Subj: RE: KING QUEST 6                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

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I already found the ink bottle.  What in the world do I do with it?
Thanks.

Its invisible ink. It has something to do with the Gnomes. If you need
more holler.
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From: JOSHUA FULLER                          Number: 9788
  To: BENNY CHAN                               Date: 12/20/93  3:24p
Subj: MORTAL KOMBAT PC                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Subj: MORTAL KOMBAT PC               Conf: (177) CDROM NET
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BK╞═─I have mortal kombat for my 386\40 mhz
BK╞═─and it runs alot faster than the arcade i use a commanche
BK╞═─maxium overkill boot disk the only problem is that it only runs
BK╞═─fast now and then and the sounds harible.

THE SOUND? You have the mortal kombat with SOUND? Ummm... that must be a
newer release... BTW, what's a MAXIUM OVERKILL BOOT DISK, what does it
do? Get your system to run faster??
BTW, you know what should I do... to get it run faster? I should turn
off my turbo to 33 Mhz and enter the game, then turn the turbo back on
to 66, cause some of the game checks for system speed...

Its the boot disk created by the game Comanche Maximum Overkill. It a
Helicopter Sim. Pretty awsome. It sets up the himem I think. I can put
it up for you if you want.
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From: JOSHUA FULLER                          Number: 9789
  To: MAARTEN WARFFEMIUS                       Date: 12/20/93  3:26p
Subj: sound blaster                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Subj: sound blaster                  Conf: (177) CDROM NET
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Als ik cd rom geluid probeer af te luisteren hoor ik echo en het klinkt met
horten en stoten. Soundblaster upgrade 16 ASP)
Weet je de oorzaak en wat hier aan te doen valt?


Either your speaking a foreign language or you've got your hands mixed
up.
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From: SEAN SINICO                            Number: 9790
  To: DAVID REMER                              Date: 12/19/93 12:00a
Subj: Re: Toshiba Drivers?                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

   -=> David Remer Said this and Now I'm doing something <=-

 DR> Anyone know if the drivers (DOS & OS/2) for my new TOSHIBA TXM 3401
 DR> E1 are freely available somewhere? The manual is for this model and the
 DR> XM-3401 B so perhaps they both use the same drivers.

 DR> Thanks in advance for any relevant information.


        David, unforutunatly, I do not have an answer for you.  But should
 you find ANY information could you PLEASE foward it to me!? As I have the
 txm 3401 e1. And would need the drivers also.  Thank you greatly,

                                sean sinico

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From: CARL REEK                              Number: 9791
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/20/93 12:52p
Subj: Mitsumi/Windows NT                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Was running Windows 3.1 with a Mitsumi.  Have switched completely to
Windows NT and can no longer use the Mitsumi.  Does anyone know if
drivers have been programmed to run the Mitsumi with Windows NT?
Thanks.


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From: BOB DUNN                               Number: 9792
  To: JOHN BARTA                               Date: 12/19/93 10:19p
Subj: Wanted Beatles CD                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JB> JB>  Beatles Hard Days Night CD-RoM !!!!
JB>
JB> It's available from CD-ROM WAREHOUSE, 1-800-237-6623, <$30.

It's only for a MAC though, right? Is there a DOS version coming
out?
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From: RYAN THOMPSON                          Number: 9793
  To: AL                                       Date: 12/20/93 11:52p
Subj: Multi-CD Drives?                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

  I'm looking for a way to handle multiple CDs in a drive, instead of needing
seperate ones.  Something like the 6-CD automatic changers you see in home
stereos.  My current CD-ROM is a Panasonic connected to an SB16.

bye
Ryan

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From: DON KULHA                              Number: 9794
  To: HITACHI 3500 OWNERS                      Date: 12/19/93 10:59a
Subj: Cleaning Drives                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

    Reviving Hitachi 3500 CDROM drives can be a fairly simple task. The
following procedure will often bring the drive back to working order (but not
in all cases). A year ago I purchased 8 of these drives for our BBS and have
had to go in and do this to 6 of 8 drives (the machine is in a fairly dusty
enviornment). In every case (so far) this has solved the problem. I don't have
a bare drive in front of me so this is from memory.....

     What this procedure should accomplish is cleaning the laser "dome",
     freeing the head movement mechanism, and cleaning the sensors that
     detect the head travel limits.

     With the bare drive in hand remove the two small screws on the sides of
     the drive near the rear end of the drive. They secure the rear cover.
     You must also remove 2 screws from the back of the drive that also
     secure this cover (one has a grounding lug attached to it). After
     removing these 4 recessed screws on the bottom of the drive (near the
     sides) must be removed to free the drive mechanism itself. With these 8
     screws removed and the drive laying on it's top the drive can be hinged
     open like a clam shell exposing the head guides and movement mechanism.

     On one side of the head carrier you will notice it is attached to a
     smooth guide rod which it slides back and forth on and on the other is
     a small plastic button which locates the head vertically and slides on
     the sheet metal case of the drive mechanism. With the front of the
     drive pointing towar5ds you there will be a small black plastic wheel
     near the motor which positions the head. Manually turning this wheel
     will move the head and carrier thru the range of it's travel.

     Using q-tips and rubbing alcohol I clean as much of the guide rod as I
     can thru the holes in the sheet metal, clean the top and side of the
     metal the plastic guide rides against and clean the small black sensors
     located near the guide rod which detect the head at the end of it's
     travel. Don't "cross contaminate" things; q-tips are cheap. Be gentle
     and thorough. I then put a very small amount of light oil on the guide
     rod and sheet metal that the plastic locating pin rides on. Then I move
     the head back and forth thru the range of it's travel by moving the
     black plastic wheel mentioned above.

     I use the above mentioned wheel to move the head to the rear of it's
     travel, turn the drive on it's side, and with another alky soaked q-tip
     reach under the cover and gently clean the glass dome over the laser
     emmitter and detector heads. This I do several times with several
     q-tips. Note that the q-tips don't need to be soaked and dripping
     alcohol...I usually dip the q-tip and then blot off the excess alky
     with a clean towel.

     After doing all the above gently hinge the drive mechanism back into
     the drive chassis, reinsert the screws and you should be set. Gentle is
     the keyword here...there's no need to force anything. After having done
     this several times this now takes me about 15 minutes to do once I have
     the drive on the bench. This won't necessarily always fix your drive
     but it's worked 6 times for me.

         Don Kulha, Sonoma Online

      P.S.-We only do this to our own drives and do not work on other folks
      drives...if you need this service a couple folks here can do this for
      you. I think it goes without saying that the drive should not be
      attached to the computer and NO power should be applied to the drive
      while you have it opened....but whenever I go assuming things....






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From: NIGEL ZETT                             Number: 9795
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/20/93  9:00p
Subj: CD-ROM Wanted                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I am looking for a used Toshiba XM-3301B CD-ROM drive to add to my BBS.
Mitsumi's are going for @$150 so please, make me a reasonable offer.  (I
know, I know...  I bought my existing XM-3301B brand new for $400 DEALER
COST... but now it ain't worth a fraction of that on the open market...)

Please reply this echo.  -->> Nigel <<--
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From: BORIS OSADCIW                          Number: 9796
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/21/93  1:59a
Subj: WINDOWS CD                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}   A L L    W I N D O W S  C D   {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{
Over 670+Megs        Over 5,500 Files      Virus Checked    Dup Checked
    BBS Ready with direct support for PCBoard, Spitfire and other's
     Largest Collection Of Window Software Anywhere in The World !
               File dates mostly '92 - 93' Very few 91's
   FREE CD from the author (with purchase) over 2,000+ Hi-Res Images

                              PRICE - $25.00

ORDERS ONLY! US/CAN 800-243-0517  TEC/QUES 216-225-3263  FAX [phone]


Boris Osadciw

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From: BORIS OSADCIW                          Number: 9797
  To: ROBERT BRIGGS                            Date: 12/21/93  1:59a
Subj: NetMail                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Bob, tried to drop you a not, but for some reason your not in our
nodelist.

Please feel free to give us a call at 800-243-0517 to work out the
deal on the "Cream Of The Crop II".

Looking to hear from you soon....


Boris Osadciw

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From: SHAWN ADAMSSON                         Number: 9798
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/19/93 12:40p
Subj: SB16 & Panasonic 562                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I purchased a Panasonic 562 Doublespeed CD-ROM last week and am having
problems getting it to work properly.  I have two problems basically.

I have a Sound Blaster 16 and have so far been unsucessful getting the
CD to work off the interface on the card (the BASIC model is supposed to
support the Panasonic as far as I can tell - manual stinks in this
regard).  The drivers cannot detect the drive - I have tried a set of
drivers from Creative Labs BBS and the drivers that came with the drive
- no luck.  Anybody else go through this and can offer some advice?

So I gave up on getting the drive to work with the SB16 and just put in
the interface that came with the drive and it works ... kinda.  When my
machine boots now the drivers detect the presence of 4 ... count'em 4
CD-ROMS ...???  The version of the drivers that I am using is
CDMKE41.SYS dated 03-25-1993 .... has anybody else experienced this?
I beleive that this one is the fault of the drivers as I have installed
the same unit with the same interface at the office in a 486DX-40 and
have experienced the same problem.

Now for a brief rundown of my system so you know whether I may have a
conflict - 486DX-33 w 256k external cache - 20Mb RAM - Metheus Premier
2Mb VL-BUS Video @ Hex Address 220 - SB16 @ Hex Address 280 & Midi @ 300
- CD-ROM interface @ Hex Address 330.  I have eliminated the possibility
of and TSRs or drivers causing this problem and have checked and
re-checked my CMOS settings and BUS timings.

I would be eternally grateful for any help that anybody can provide in
this matter.

                                                      Shawn
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From: JOE RINEHART                           Number: 9799
  To: BOB LOUDER                               Date: 12/20/93  1:57a
Subj: Re: Hitachi model 3500's                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> On <13 Dec, 21:06>, Joe Rinehart wrote to All :
> JR> >              REFURBISHED Model 3500 HITACHI Drives available!
> JR>          80 times faster then High Speed modems - Great for BBS
> use JR> jack, and volume control for only $120.00 per bare drive.  30
> day JR> warrantee.
>
> What kind of price do you have for quantities.
Bob,
    What quantity are you referring to?  I had to quit promoting these
units as they sell faster then they can be refurbished;-)  The only
present discount we are offering is "Unfurbished" for $50.00 each,
regardless of audio.  I'd be willing to discuss this more in depth via
voice 216.296.9831.
    The Hitachi model 3600 should be available soon and I'm plotting to
purchase several hundred, should you be interested in these as well.
    Thanks for asking.
    Joe Rinehart

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From: *********** FREE HUGE CD-ROM DI        Number: 9800
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/21/93  3:12a
Subj: For The largest selection               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

If you'd like a printed copy, send your mailing information to us.
We offer CDLIST file attach's upon request.
CATALOG FREQ: cdlist.zip    (over 1,100 cd-rom disc titles available)
        Internet: [e-mail]
    FidoNet: 1:157/479 - RBBSNet 8:965/13 - KesherNet 18:711/176
Joe Rinehart / config.sys, Inc.    Voice: [phone]  -  24 hours
P.O. Box 27                        Data/Fax: (216) 296-GIGO(4446) ZyX
Kent, Ohio 44240-0001              >>>INTERNATIONAL ORDERS WELCOME<<<

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From: ALEX MOTTRAM                           Number: 9801
  To: MIKE SHANNON                             Date: 12/21/93  5:01a
Subj: NIGHT OWL 10 VIRUS REPORT               Refer: NONE
Read: NO                                    Private: No

+-
| This latest lawsuit was filed by their former programmer, who is claiming
| damages as result of non-payment.
+-[MS=>AM]

Thanks.  I was expecting something serious.  I think they could take that one
to Judge Wapner <G>.

Thanks,

Alex Mottram

"Slap him Rusty..   WHAP!"

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From: JOHN ALEXANDER                         Number: 9802
  To: MIKE MAZZOLA                             Date: 12/21/93 12:13p
Subj: Panasonic 562/at Bus Inte               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting Mike Mazzola to All <=-

 MM> I'm having a problem with what I believe to be a Panasonic 562/563b
 MM> CD drive  unit I just recieved From Multimedia in San Francisco.  I
 MM> ordered the bare  drive and AT bus interface card.  After installing
 MM> the drivers I get: 'Warning No SCSI Host adaptors detected' and 'No
 MM> TSLCD functions in use  Driver aborting.'  Although the drive is

    The drive is a cr-563-b, and it is not SCSI. It is a form of IDE and
  needs it own drivers. You need to get the correct drivers for the
  interface card.

 MM> suppose to be Panasonic the logo on  the tray reads CREATIVE SB{Sound

   It is a Panasonic, the one you have was just made for Creative Labs.



... Is it weird in here, or is it just me?
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From: RICKY BOOTH                            Number: 9803
  To: AL RAMIREZ                               Date: 12/21/93  3:14p
Subj: seventh Guest                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > From what I have seen all 7th guest is is a bunch of animation
 > clips and a few puzzles.  I really hate these types of games!  I

Actually, it's more puzzles! And DAMN hard puzzles. Puzzles that are not fun!
Only the first few were fun... then it got irritating.

 > playing games clouds of xeen and dardside of xeen plaus the hint
 > books for $40!!! It is a real bargain.. Oh yeah, the game has
 > been enhanced with 200 talking characters.

I've been thinking of getting this! Is it good? Is it fun? What's it like?


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From: MIKE SHANNON                           Number: 9804
  To: DAVE REED                                Date: 12/21/93 12:49a
Subj: VIRUS                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

DR>Come on, Mike, you're not being fair!  You know (as well as the other
dealers
DR>in this echo) that Richard Graham goes OUT OF HIS WAY to accomodate the
deale
DR>and has a solid base of distributors working for him.  He personally scans
DR>every file on the disc, and does his best to make sure the product is safe,
DR>with no commercial files and ready for use by the most demanding users:
sysop
DR>The man deserves a Medal of Honor...

Oh gag me with a spoon.

DR>  YEA, RIGHT!   <g>

Whew....thought you were serious there for a minute!  <g>

Bye,
.\\ike


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From: MIKE SHANNON                           Number: 9805
  To: BRICE FLECKENSTEIN                       Date: 12/21/93 12:49a
Subj: VIRUS                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BF>   Care to make a small wager? I will BET you that I can write to a write-
BF>  protected disk.

Anyone can if you disable the sensor in the drive.

.\\ike


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From: MIKE SHANNON                           Number: 9806
  To: DAVE REED                                Date: 12/21/93 12:49a
Subj: NIGHT OWL 10 VIRUS REPORT               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

DR>Night Owls reminds me of that punching clown that I had when I was a kid.
Yo
DR>know... the one with a low center of gravity?  No matter how hard you hit
the
DR>damn thing, it always comes up with that silly-assed grin on it's face!  ;-)

Yeah, but did you ever drop $600-grand worth of C-notes on him?  Betcha
he'd stay down then!  8)

.\\ike


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From: MIKE SHANNON                           Number: 9807
  To: DAVE REED                                Date: 12/21/93 12:49a
Subj: CD-ROM PRE-ORDERS                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

DR>   MS> CD SOURCEBOX * Current code for VisualBasic, Pascal, and C....$29

DR>  I've seen the pre-release.  It has a good selection of Assembly on it,
too.

I stand corrected sir.  Will make the necessary alterations to my advert.

Cheers,
.\\


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From: MIKE SHANNON                           Number: 9808
  To: ROB MCINTYRE                             Date: 12/21/93 12:50a
Subj: CD-ROM SALE                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

RM>  What was the name of the g-rated gifs only cdrom you suggested to me ? Got
RM>  Galore and looking for another.

Don't recall, but it was probably either GIF Galaxy or So Much Screenware.
I really like GIF Galaxy, as it seems to have a good array of files that
I have not seen yet.  Both are in stock if you're interested.

Later,
.\\ike

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From: MIKE SHANNON                           Number: 9809
  To: BENJAMIN ORTIZ                           Date: 12/21/93 12:50a
Subj: Virus                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

MS>industry that long, you tend to pick up little "tidbits" of inside
MS>info here and there, and 90% of what I've learned about the Night Owl's
MS>preparation process leads me toward promoting products other than
MS>theirs.

BO>Who give a damn?  Don't think that because you say something bad about the
BO>CD and manufacturer of Nightowl means that your sales will go up for some-
BO>thing else that you support...It don't work that way, pal...get this through

Who give a damn?  Oh no one in particular I suppose.  Just that very tiny
percentile of the buying public who enjoy frivolous activities like making
informed decisions before laying their hard-earned money down.  No biggie.

BO>MS> scanners when compiling their files.  Pier does it, so why can't they?
BO>MS> Instead they used an outdated version of ONE virus scanning program,
BO>MS> when
BO>MS> the new version was right under their nose.  That's not asking for

BO>  Wrong...Scan v108 was release just after

Wrong?  If SCAN 108 was released right after the CD was pressed, then why
is it ON Night Owl 10.0?  How did they pull that off do you suppose?  What
did they do, recall all the CD's they'd sold, take each one out of the
jewel case and burn the SCAN108 code into an unused section?  Give me a
break.  Try doing a little homework before you accuse someone else of being
wrong.  It will save you from public embarrassment in the future.  FACT:
SCAN108 was released 9/15/93.  Night Owl 10 began circulation *around* the
first week of October, 1993.

BO>and they need a license to use it. They can't use the shareware
BO>versions.

So your contention is that Night Owl's Publisher had a choice between
minimizing virus risk, or keeping their nose clean with the McAfee
"registration" department, and they chose the latter?  You mean someone
at Night Owl's said, "Gee, we'd like to use the copy of SCAN v. 108 that we
have right here, in order to avoid potential virus problems, but it
might torque off McAfee if we actually USED their 'try-before-you-buy'
shareware product a few days before the registration clears.  Viruses be
damned.......we wouldn't want to piss off Shirley in accounting!"  Again,
gimme a break.  That HAS to be the lamest excuse in defense of Night Owl's
I've heard to date.

BO>  Blow it...

Now that's classy.  I guess I owe you an apology.  I wouldn't have been so
tough with you if I'd known I was dealing with a 9th-grader.

'til next round,

.\\ike


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From: MIKE SHANNON                           Number: 9810
  To: BENJAMIN ORTIZ                           Date: 12/21/93 12:50a
Subj: Night Owl 10 Virus!!!                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BO>   MS> Incorrect again.  SCAN 1.08 was ON the original cut of Night Owl 10.

BO>  But was the DAMN THING LICENSED?  If it's NOT licensed, they can't use it!
BO>  THAT'S MY FRIGGEN POINT!  <shaking fists in air and stomping ground>

Oh don't burst a blood vessel.  Their first and foremost PRIORITY should
have been the DETECTION of possibly destructive viruses.  I'm sure McAfee
wouldn't have minded if Night Owl's had used the shareware version of their
product in the interest of protecting computerists on a global scale.  Can
I at least get a half-hearted head-nod on that point?

Oh, nevermind.

.\\ike


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From: MIKE SHANNON                           Number: 9811
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/21/93 12:50a
Subj: REBEL ASSAULT IN STOCK!                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

         |   Starvector Sales Bulletin #2:  TOP 5 NEW CD TITLES   |

 REBEL ASSAULT * New and hot from Lucasarts. Great interactive game.....$49
 VIRTUAL REALITY STARTER KIT * The "next dimension" for your PC.........$49
 VIDEO MOVIE GUIDE * Reviews over 12,000 movies, from "B" to the hits...$28
 CD POWERBOX 2 * The newest of the new! Current shareware hits. BBS.....$29
 GIRLS OF RISQUE * Another classy softer image disc. BBS-Ready..........$35

 STARVECTOR SOFTWARE * VISA * MC * AMEX * DISCOVER * SHIPPING: $4 to 5 pcs.
 509-457-2892 (VOICE) * 509-457-2966 (FAX) * 1-800-767-1284 (ORDERS ONLY!!)

 * SLMR 2.1a * Is it '96 yet???

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From: MIKE SHANNON                           Number: 9812
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/21/93 12:50a
Subj: CD ROM GUIDE FREE!                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

           | Starvector Sales Bulletin #6:    HOT NEW CD-ROM!   |
           | Title:  THE CD-ROM OF CD-ROMS        Price:  $29   |

     This Windows 3.1 multimedia CD is a directory of over 4000 CD-ROM
     titles, nearly 5000 companies (with contact information), almost
     2000 industry movers & shakers, and close to 600 reviews.
    PRICING:  ALONE...$29 * W/ ANY PURCHASE...$9 * W/$100 PURCHASE...$0

 STARVECTOR SOFTWARE * VISA * MC * AMEX * DISCOVER * SHIPPING: $4 to 5 pcs.
 509-457-2892 (VOICE) * 509-457-2966 (FAX) * 1-800-767-1284 (ORDERS ONLY!!)

 * SLMR 2.1a * It's Ensign Pillsbury, Jim.....he's bread.

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From: TERRY HAMEL                            Number: 9813
  To: JOHN LUNDY                               Date: 12/21/93  6:45a
Subj: WANTED: Corel Draw v3                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> $100 and it's yours....

I am very interested in closing this deal.  How would you ship it?  How
would you like your bills (dry, maybe?  <g>) sent?  It might help if we
exhanged numbers.  Ours is [phone] PST, normal office hours (and
then some).


 * OLX 2.2 * MSI HQ! BBS - Home of Off-Line Xpress 805-395-0650


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From: TERRY HAMEL                            Number: 9814
  To: BRIAN BURNETT                            Date: 12/21/93  6:36a
Subj: WANTED: Corel Draw v3                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> I got Corel Draw v3.0 cd-rom w/o docs for $75.

Thank you, but I will definately need the docs.  Especially considering
I'm not likely to be the only one using it at the office.

 * OLX 2.2 * (  ( ((( In Stereo where available ))) )  )


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From: WILLIAM WRIGHT                         Number: 9815
  To: WEE YUNG                                 Date: 12/21/93  4:52p
Subj: Mitsumi double-spin driv                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > The SB16 MCD will run with Double speed CDROM.
 > On the comparision sheet, the Panasonic has better
 > transfer rate than
 > the Mitsumi because of more cache.
 > The Mitsumi has transfer bust rate 1.6MB, Panasonic is
 > 2.3MB

Neither have "cache". The Mitsumi has a 32k buffer (but I have a 64k buffer
using some of my ram) and the Panasonic has a 64k buffer.

And I've heard burst rate before, but what does it really mean?
Does it mean that sometimes the CD will go really fast and BURST 1.6 megs to
the processor?

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From: TONY WARD                              Number: 9816
  To: HAYDEN BRADSHAW                          Date: 12/21/93 11:55p
Subj: Canadian CD Distribution                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

HB> -> Can you please send me a copy when available.
HB>
HB> Sure can, Gary.  Could you leave me your address??


Please send me a copy of your catalogue (Canajun spelling!) also
please Hayden.

Tony Ward
32 Holliday Drive
Whitby ON
L1P 1E6

--- Tony



--- Tony (VE3NO)

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From: RAY MATTHEWS                           Number: 9817
  To: BOB JENKINS                              Date: 12/21/93  6:26p
Subj: 7th guest problem                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

* in a message to All <19 Dec 93 11:49> Bob Jenkins wrote:

 BJ>    I know most of you are getting tired of questions pertaining
 BJ> to the 7th Guest...sorry! I just bought the CD's as a gift.
 BJ> Problem is, I can't get it to work. The message I get is :

 BJ>       Error: A memory error has occured.

    Call the Virgin Games BBS. They have an updated T7G.EXE file there that
will allow you to run T7G on 400k. It fixed my problems on a similar machine.

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From: DAVE ELLISON                           Number: 9818
  To: CLIFF FIVEASH                            Date: 12/16/93  8:26p
Subj: Virus                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Cliff,

 CF> Point,Thunderbyte,PCcillin, Norton,Red Alert, Scan v108. I have two
 CF> others that I haven't installed yet--F-Prot and Scan v109. I just read
 CF> on the WildNet virus echo that Scan v109 is still in Beta and that there
 CF> is a hacked version circulating. Do you know anything about this???

SCANV109.ZIP has been legitimately released, but there is also an infected hack
going around so it might be wise to get it off the Homebase BBS (Mcafee's
board).


      C-YA!
      Dave


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From: DAVE ELLISON                           Number: 9819
  To: BENJAMIN ORTIZ                           Date: 12/16/93  8:54p
Subj: Re: Night Owl 10 Virus Re               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Benjamin,

 BO> making a complete idiot of yourself...every hear of STRAINS??

Yikes!  He's not the idiot here!

 BO> The Butterfly Virus variant called THE CRUSADES is the one that has

Actually, it's called CRUSADES.COM and in my tests and everyone else's tests
SCAN108 _easily_ detected it _and_ Memory Lapse 366-A.  Variants are usually
detectable by using the older versions string.

 BO> infected the Night Owl #10...without the scan string, which I have in
 BO> my scan string file, along with a lot of newer virii variant strings,
 BO> my scan string file, along with a lot of newer virii variant strings,
 BO> you cannot detect it.  If you'd read your documentation, not even McAfee

Wrong.  Plain old SCAN108 finds it...

 BO> guarantees a 100% scan of ALL virii because more are coming out everyday.

Actually, SCAN tends to miss 5-10% of all viruses.  If you want to come close
to 100% you're gonna have to switch to Thunderbyte, F-Prot, or Integrity
Master.  They use heuristic scanning which you probably didn't know detects
most _unknown_ (non-variants) viruses which Mcafee would miss every time.
Heuristic scanning searches for virus-like code (e.g. direct disk writes,
low-level formats, COM/EXE determination, etc...) within executable files.

 BO> program.  I don't think Night Owl did it intentionally...however, from
 BO> the way you just spoke, I hope you get it.

Did what, released a virus???  That's a really sharp observation!

 BO> I think maybe you should read something called the HACK REPORT for
 BO> scan strings and maybe you wouldn't have to worry about getting the
 BO> new virii...

Actually, a better source would be CRIS since they come out a lot faster...

 BO> I thought I had also made one thing perfectly clear over Fido as well:
 BO> NOBODY THESE DAYS CAN GIVE A 100% GUARANTEE ON A
 BO> PRODUCT.  Look...listen...
 BO> ....LEARN...

Sound advice, why don't you use it yourself!

     C-YA!
     Dave Ellison

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From: ROBERT LEACH                           Number: 9820
  To: SCOTT GILLIES                            Date: 12/21/93 12:57a
Subj: rebel assualt                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

No cheats that I know of, but yes the joystick is way to sensitive.
Haveint tried it on my 386-40 maybe that would help.

Got any passwords for the second level, I can't get through the ^%#$#%^
asteriods with those tie fighters.

Robert


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From: RICK NAY                               Number: 9821
  To: CHRIS ZITO                               Date: 12/20/93  6:17p
Subj: Re: DSP 16,Soundwave 32                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

The software..It is Compression software that allows you to compress audio real
time to the hard drive..Give them a call if you want information..if you don't
have a cardinal or orchid board i wouldn't waste my time since it is only
available for these cards..

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From: KEITH BROUSSARD                        Number: 9822
  To: :L@FWIX{Q|J;I)OCY/{{E?~CF3F3F            Date: 12/21/93  1:11p
Subj: K0*UiOP}xLY[S0R                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

>e~?lFf3f3f3f3"eA#=,|=.3;}ij^'

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From: RICK NAY                               Number: 9823
  To: HENRY PAUL                               Date: 12/21/93 11:55a
Subj: Re: DSP 16,Soundwave 32                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Well it is "Real-Time" compression so the loss in sound quality is minimal..If
you need to get more info give Xing Technologies a call..They also make and
Mpeg Encoder which is hardware..its for video though..

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From: RICK NAY                               Number: 9824
  To: BRICE FLECKENSTEIN                       Date: 12/21/93 11:57a
Subj: Re: MPC-2                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

They can't prove anything..Besides running it at 33 won't damage it a bit..C-ya

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 9825
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/21/93  6:44p
Subj: Hitachi 3600 cd rom drives $99          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 Hitachi cd rom drives model 3600 (that's right model 3600) $99 each.
 Access time 350 ms.  Transfer rate 150 kb/s.  These EXCELLENT drives
 can be daisy-chained up to 8 on each propitiatory controller card.
 They can use the same controller cards that  are  used  with  the
 model 3500's.  If you don't  already  have  an  interface  card I
 have them NEW for $60.  I also can provide external  cases  for 4
 or 8 of these drives and  external  cables  and  power  supplies.
 30   day   warranty.      All domestic orders are shipped  c.o.d.
 Call voice 205-824-2552  or "crash" netmail your order to 3625/441.
 Sorry...  routed  netmail  won't reach me since I get my  feed  via
 satellite.

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From: RICK DOSTIE                            Number: 9826
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/20/93  9:12p
Subj: Passw. for Rebel Assault                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hey.  I have two passwords for Rebel Assault.  First one (FALCON),
gets you to Chapter 4 ,  after training phase.  And also have another,
(DAGOBAH) to get you to Chapter 15 and to the 'Death Star' trench.
I do need the in between codes.  Anyone got any???

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From: ED BAILEY                              Number: 9827
  To: DAVID AHIA                               Date: 12/20/93  9:17a
Subj: Max specific Door                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 On 12-18-93 David Ahia wrote to All...

 DA>         Seems to me that I remember reading about a Maximus
 DA> specific CD-Rom Door.  Can someone tell me the name of it
 DA> again, and a place to Freq it?
     Why do you want to use a door - it is totally unnecessary
     with Maximus.

 DA>
 DA>         Also, I have installed my first CD into Max and am
 DA> experiencing
 DA> problems with Freqs off the CD.  I am using Binkley with
 DA> its MaxFiles.IDX path extension with a Mitsumi Drive using
 DA> Software polling. Will IRQ interupt improve the reaction
 DA> time?  Is there something else I can do?  Queuing the file
 DA> up for transfer often takes longer then the mailers are
 DA> willing to wait and successful transfers are unpredictable,
 DA> though I suspect if mail transfer takes place after the
 DA> request, it does better.

    I have 2 Mitsumi's online with Binkley and Max - I don't use
    Maxfiles because i don't want Freqing of files from the CD's
    The Drives will work best if you set them for with the IRQ's
    only do not use the DMA setting. What you do is place the
    Files.BBS in a directory on your Hard drive and tell the
    program in the Filesarea.ctl were to look for them:
    The filearea.ctl entry changes are:
        Filelist      c:\file\cdrom10\001a (001a is the files.bbs renamed)
        Download      e:\001a\
        This is my setup - c:\ is my hard drive
                             file\cdrom10 is the dir and sub-directory were
                             I put the files.bbs which is 001a
        Download is from Drive E:\ directory 001a, my CD drives are E:
        and F:
        When you run FB it will make up all the indexing files in "my
        case" in the file\cdrom10 directory all starting with "001a" as
        an example.
        My example is with the Night Owl 10 disk - this way you can modify
        the files.bbs to remove files you do not want downloaded.
        The examples of re-directing the information is in the Max docs,
        somewhere.
        Have a great Holiday Season.
        Ed

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From: J.M. JOHNSON                           Number: 9828
  To: DANIEL HAGAN                             Date: 12/21/93 10:19a
Subj: *~ Mitsumi 2X CD-ROM                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

DH> What sound cards work with this model?  Are there any sound
DH> cards that can directly drive the Mitsumi (where you hook
DH> into the sound card)?
DH>
Creative labs MultiCD 16.

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From: JERRY THOMSON                          Number: 9829
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/21/93  7:07a
Subj: 6 DISK CHANGERS                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I just picked up this echo on my board.   I was surprised that I didn't see any
prices for the 6 disk player by Pionner.  Could someone post what the average
purchase price for this unit is?  I have a copy of Computer Shopper, but
couldn't find it.

    I have one CD-ROM drive hooked up and was considering another single drive,
but would like to get some pricing on the 6 disk changer.

    Also, if anyone knows, does Pioneer have different model numbers for the 6
disk changer and if so perhaps we could have a brief discussion on these.  I
should note that my ONLY purpose for CD Drives is for my BBS.  So, I won't need
any special audio features.

    Even though I have one CDROM up and running on my board, I am still a
novice even though my system works without a hitch. (Thank GOD!)

Thanks in advance,

                    Jerry

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From: MIKE MORE                              Number: 9830
  To: HAYDEN BRADSHAW                          Date: 12/20/93  9:12p
Subj: commericial CD Roms?                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Hayden!

In a msg of <Wednesday December 15 1993>, Hayden Bradshaw writes to Kent Timm:

 HB> We've got them for sale here at HRB Computer Services, Toronto.  In
 HB> fact, we have about 800 Titles (no Adult or XXX) at Canada's best
 HB> prices!  If you are able to access CRS Online (416-213-6002) you can
 HB> download our current price list.  It's file name is: HRBCD8A.ZIP  and it
 HB> has the descriptions you're probably looking for.  Or I can send one to
 HB> you in the mail.  Give me a call, or use this conference.

I'd appreciate it if you could send me a catalogue as well:

8055 Jeanne d'Arc
Orleans ON K1E 1W7

Thanks & Merry Christmas.

Mike

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From: MIKE MORE                              Number: 9831
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/20/93  9:17p
Subj: CD: Carmen SanDiego                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello All!

I finished installing our early Xmas present of the Soundblaster 16 & CD-ROM.
The five CDs that came in the package work now that I've found a 256 colour
driver for my Trident monitor. The bundle included Where in the World is Carmen
SanDiego and it will periodically lock up. I have to reboot the computer to get
out. But we have been able to play several games all the way through but it
seems that about 1 in 3 locks up the computer. Before I call all the way out to
the west coast to the Tech line, I was wondering if this is a normal problem
with the software or do I have a defective disk? Anybody have the same problem?
Thanks.

Mike

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From: MIKE COOLEY                            Number: 9832
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/20/93  5:38p
Subj: CD ROM Driver                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I am looking for a driver for my Toshiba CD ROM Drive. It is the XM 3201B
model and I am using a Future Domain SCSI Controller. The bios number for the
Future Domain is ver.6 and the Controller is TMC-781.
Any help with a driver name that I can download will be appreciated.
Thanks for reading this....
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From: KYLE MACHULIS                          Number: 9833
  To: WEE YUNG                                 Date: 12/22/93  1:09p
Subj: Re: Mitsumi double-spin driv            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

          Wee Yung wrote 
 ╒═══════════════════════════════╕
▓▒▄
▓▒▄The SB16 MCD will run with Double speed CDROM.
▓▒▄On the comparision sheet, the Panasonic has better transfer rate than
▓▒▄the Mitsumi because of more cache.
▓▒▄The Mitsumi has transfer bust rate 1.6MB, Panasonic is 2.3MB
▓▒▄
 ╘═══════════════════════════════╛

Do you know if SB16 ASP will run with a double speed?
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From: KYLE MACHULIS                          Number: 9834
  To: DAVID WHITMAN                            Date: 12/22/93  1:13p
Subj: Re: mortal kombat pc                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

          David Whitman wrote 
 ╒═══════════════════════════════╕
▀▐█how long have they had Mortal Kombat for PC?  Is this on CD, or HD?
▀▐█Also, how much space it is (meg wise), and could you be statistical?
▀▐█What sound, video, etc.?
 ╘═══════════════════════════════╛

The Release date was December 15. The PC version is not a real wonderful game
(Can't compare to the arcade), and I haven't even seen the PC version yet.
The software group that put it out (Hi-Tech Expressions) is not very good,
because they put out SF2 and it was AWFUL!!! I don't recommend getting
this game....
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From: JASON DEVRIES                          Number: 9835
  To: JOSHUA FULLER                            Date: 12/21/93  8:27p
Subj: RE: KING QUEST 6                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 JF> Subj: RE: KING QUEST 6               Conf: (177) CDROM NET
 JF> ----------------------------------------------------------------
 JF> ----------- I already found the ink bottle.  What in the world
 JF> do I do with it? Thanks.

 JF> Its invisible ink. It has something to do with the Gnomes. If
 JF> you need more holler.
        Got it, thanks a lot!

... Merry Xmas, Happy Hanukak, Feliz Navidad, etc, etc, etc
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From: WALTER CHISENSKI                       Number: 9836
  To: DAVID WHITMAN                            Date: 12/21/93  6:02p
Subj: Re: "video" games                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

     Well David as far as I've been able to see if you want full motion video
on video games--- your gonna have to stick with the Sega CD for now, they do
have Night Trap, Ground Zero Texas, Prize Fighter and 1 or 2 more like Sewer
Shark plus 30 or so other games right now like SONIC CD and some other good
ones.  AND THEY DO this ALL on a single speed CD-ROM drive. (Makes you kinda
wonder if it can be done or if PC's just want to keep selling us MORE HARDWARE)
 True the Sega CD games haven't been THE BEST but they are getting better
(although the Sega CD may fade out to some of the Higher End systems ie: 3DO)
I have both PC CD-ROM and Sega CD and so far I like the GAMES on the Sega CD
better (Sonic CD, Slipheed, Ground Zero Texas, Night Trap) I did buy Rebel
Assalt on PC CD-ROM (It's also comming out for Sega CD) and the game was soooo
buggy it suc**d!  If you already have a Sega Genisis and can find a used Sega
CD (for about $100-125) it's proball worth picking it up just to have fun
with...  BUT It's also woth picking up the PC CD-ROM for it's advantages. (ie:
The 7th Guest and some other good stuff on CD-ROM)  It will be interesting
where all this is reallly gonna go...?
                                            Walter Chisenski



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From: JAMES SUMMERS                          Number: 9837
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/21/93  3:43p
Subj: Creative Labs Edutainment 16            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello-

I was thinking about the purchase of a Creative LAbs Edutaiment 16 cd-rom kit.
Does anyone have this or any otherr "16" kits from creative labs?  I just
wanted some true user feedback.  It would be helpful to say how  the product
works and runs on a 486dx50 machine.

James Summers

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From: HUGH CRAIG                             Number: 9838
  To: 23                                       Date: 12/21/93  7:26a
Subj: 7Th Guest                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

NOTE: This message was originally addressed to BRUNO CONTE
      and was forwarded to you by RICHARD TICKNER
                          --------------------
In a message dated 12-12-93, Bruno Conte said to All:

BC> I've recently bought a CD-ROM and I've got some interest on this
BC> game, by some magazines advertisements.

BC> For those who have already got a copy of the game, could you please give
BC> me your opinion about it? Also, I'll greatly appreciate a hint of
BC> where is the best price (below $50, no taxes are charge here in
BC> Brazil), including AirMail s/h.

BC> Bruno Conte

Hola Bruno.

It's a great game if your into logic puzzles, anagrams, maze puzzles
and such.

Graphics and sound are superb. It's not a adventure game but
a puzzler. Very good puzzles that will keep your head aching
for months, unless your a MENSA class mega brain.
Graphix with SVGA are outstanding. VGA...not so hot but ok.


Be forwarned. You will need heavy IRON.

From the BOX Bruno:

386DX class minimum
2 megs RAM
16 Bit SVGA card with at least 512k minimum
CD ROM with a min of 150k ps transfer rate.
Sound card with FM and PCM, MOUSE. (SBPRO SOUNDS GREAT) (my comment)

Thats the min Bruno. You'd want more.

From the BOX:
Recommended...and they mean it.

486sx 20mhz or better
4 megs RAM
FAST 16 bit SVGA w 1meg RAM OR a VESA Local Buss system...
One of them new FAST CDROMs 2x with fast seektime.
                                    (250ms or faster)

Roland LAPC-1, MT-32 or Sound Canvas and 16 bit PCM sound card.


This game is a little jerky on my hardware moving from room to room,
your in a old mansion, haunted, boo!. Almost painfully so....

But the drama and the
puzzle play are fine. Just moving around the house is '...jerky.
But very playble as we are not chasing enemy bandits around.!....

I'll list my hardware below.

By the way. I took this game to a freinds. He has a 486-66 VLB system.
Smooth as silk on that hardware. THis game really wants a VERY
fast video system. That means in todays world a VLB system.

For reference only:
Hardware here is a 486DX-33 ISA w AMI 7/91 BIOS,8megs RAM
Trident 8900C SVGA w 1meg (non accelerated),
SBPRO IRQ 5 base x220.
Intel 400i modem(internal)IRQ 3 and IRQ 11 base x350  (fax on irq 11)
Printer IRQ7
Mitsumi FX001D IRQ 10,base x300  using the supplied card.

Running 800x600x256 Trident drivers for the Desktop.
Not using MMPM2. (MMPM2 makes my system sick).
Using Stacker for OS/2 and DOS.

I run this game in dos (PC DOS 6.1).


Oh, I bought it at CompUSA. It is selling for $39 at present.

At Babbages they wanted $65!

There may be some guys here on the net that will mail order it
to you. Good Luck. How's the snow down there? It's XMAS ya know...

(We don't see any here in South Eastern Texas)! :).

P.S. Since getting this game (and a few others like FS5)
I've decided I can justify upgrading my system. I'm going to
get a no-processor VLB MB and a Genoa VLB video card.
The MB will cost around $100-$140 (varies) and the card ($70-$99)

Just a matter of ripping out the old processor...


Trailer text for Mr. Bill

 Taken from COMPUTER RETAIL WEEK December 6 1993:

   Ingram Micro Best Seller's List
   Operating Systems and Languages

___>>  1.  OS/2 2.1 Upgrade   (!!!!!!)
       2.  Windows 3.1
       3.  Windows 3.1 Upgrade

Soltan Gris


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From: AL FAUBION                             Number: 9839
  To: RYAN THOMPSON                            Date: 12/21/93 11:15p
Subj: Multi-CD Drives?                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

--> Al Faubion Quotes a message written by Ryan Thompson
--> to Al on 12-20-93 23:52 saying:
RT>   I'm looking for a way to handle multiple CDs in a drive, ins
RT> needing
RT> seperate ones.  Something like the 6-CD automatic changers you
RT>
RT> stereos.  My current CD-ROM is a Panasonic connected to an
RT> SB16.
RT>
RT> bye
RT> Ryan
RT>
RT> (1:125/37)

Sorry Ryan, I don't realy have any experience w/ that type o device.
Maybe you could switch the multiple drives so that you could so that you could
access them seperately while having them all conncted to your switch box.
I havnt seen or heard of a device like a multiple player.

later, Al

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From: ROY FUNG                               Number: 9840
  To: M.A.L. KIRKPATRICK                       Date: 12/20/93 11:05p
Subj: Re: SCSI - PARALLEL ADAPTER             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting M.A.L. Kirkpatrick to All <=-

 MK> I'm trying to get a NEC CD-ROM reader using a SCSI-Parallel Adapter
 MK> without any luck.

You did not mention if this is new or used stuff.  Can we assume that
the SCSI card is good?

 MK>I've made the necessary changes to the CONFIG.SYS
 MK> and AUTOEXEC.BAT and have run install.  I get the typical message

The software that came with the drive should make all the necessary
changes for you.

 MK> No NECCD functions in use.  (All connections are there and

I had these same symptoms with my NEC74-1 which I bought used.  It
turned out that the software that the original person got with it was
faulty.  I called NEC and downloaded the correct software from their
BBS.

 MK> I've played around a bit with the dip switches, but also to

When I asked for advice here (not too long ago) two readers said they
used the default settings ... with the new software, my NEC is also set
that way.

 MK> Could anyone provide me with any insight on this.

Post the model of the CD and the name of the adapter card and also
the relevant autoexec.bat and config.sys lines.  I'm sure someone here
will be able to help.  I know ... they helped me.

... "Slim Fast Virus" .... removes the FAT from your Hard drive!!
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From: HEATHER KRAUSE                         Number: 9841
  To: ED CORREIA                               Date: 12/21/93 12:37p
Subj: Cinemania Problems                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

EC>Is anyone else having problems with MS Cinemania? I have a Tseng 4000
EC>video card and have been told that the reson I keep getting a General
EC>Protection fault is due to a VGA driver my card uses.

        I don't know about this particular card and setup, but do you
        have it set for a 256 color driver?

- Heather
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From: GARY HUFF                              Number: 9842
  To: MIKE SHANNON                             Date: 12/21/93 10:36a
Subj: Re: Virus                               Refer: NONE
Read: NO                                    Private: No

CF>MS>I'll bet you ten Pier's to your ten Night Owl's that no virus will be
CF>MS>detected on a Pier CD.  I'll even give you a year to search for one.
MS> Are
CF>MS>we on??? <g>

CF>Mike, Don't you think you should up these stakes a little bit so people
CF>won't accuse you of only betting on a sure thing??? <BG> Nice chattin
CF>with you the other evening. Later....

MS> Good point Cliff, but I don't really know what use I'd have for ten Ni
MS> Owl's, let alone a whole bunch more! <g>  Nah, I'll just leave it at t
MS> and see if he bites.  No reply yet..........

??  Mike, I'm the one you tried to make the bet with, and I thought I
did reply.  Your offer is preposterous, and you know it, so there's no
point in carrying this any further......  BUT...  I WOULD point out to
you that you are in the business of selling CD-ROMs (and I'm one of
your customers), so if you want to STAY in business, you'll give your
customers what they want.  If you don't, you won't stay in business
very long.  As a friend of mine who ran a camera store used to say, if
enough customers came in and asked him for a used camel, pretty soon
he'd convert his back room into a stable.  When the Nightowl 11 comes
out, I'll be buying it... from SOMEBODY.  If you won't be stocking it,
then I guess I'll be buying it from someone else.


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From: DANIEL PRINCE                          Number: 9843
  To: WALT WEBER                               Date: 12/21/93  8:15a
Subj: Re: 7th guest won't run                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 WW> I've seen it run on machines with almost identical equipment, so it
 WW> should  not be impossible to solve.

 WW> First observation -- stealth mode is less stable than non-stealth

 WW> Second - try adding the parameter "dma=128" to the qemm386.sys line.

I think we tried going without stealth and I know I tried adding
dma=128 but I don't think we tried both of them together.  I will
try both of them together without doubledisk while increasing the
DMA buffer to 128.  Maybe if I recite "Seventh Guest" over and
over while holding my mouth right it will work this time.

... If you can't find it, you can't use it!
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From: DANIEL PRINCE                          Number: 9844
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/21/93  8:23a
Subj: 7th Guest with Sony SS proprietary CDROM DRIVE  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

My brother can't get 7th Guest to run on his system which has a
Sony single speed proprietary CDROM drive.  I think I have seen a
message from someone else that couldn't get it to run on a
proprietary Sony SS CDROM.

Has anyone else tried to run 7th Guest on one of these Sony
drives?  What were the results?  Did you get past the
introduction?  Thank you in advance for all replies.

... To a cat, mackerel IS gourmet!
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From: STEVE KRAISLER                         Number: 9845
  To: ED CORREIA                               Date: 12/21/93  6:26p
Subj: Cinemania Problems                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

EC>Is anyone else having problems with MS Cinemania? I have a Tseng 4000
EC>video card and have been told that the reson I keep getting a General
EC>Protection fault is due to a VGA driver my card uses. I thought I was
EC>using the latest drivers, but now I am not so sure.

EC>Has anyone else experienced this? Have you fixed the problem? If so,
EC>how?

EC>Thanks in advance!
EC>--Ed Correia


I don't have Cinemania but I do have MS Encarta and experienced the same
trouble. I have a Paradise SSPro and called them to get a upgrade for
the video driver.  I only experienced the fault when I was using 800x600
x256 large fonts.  Even through I installed the newest  driver the
problem persisted.  I had to go back to the default 800x600x256 large
fonts supplied by windows.

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From: RICKY BOOTH                            Number: 9846
  To: WILLIAM WRIGHT                           Date: 12/21/93  8:27p
Subj: Mitsumi double-spin driv                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Neither have "cache". The Mitsumi has a 32k buffer (but I have a
 > 64k buffer using some of my ram) and the Panasonic has a 64k
 > buffer.

What do you think the "buffer" IS? IT'S HARDWARE CACHE ON THE CD! That is what
a buffer is!

 > Does it mean that sometimes the CD will go really fast and BURST

BUST rate. Not BURST rate.


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From: DAVID REMER                            Number: 9847
  To: SEAN SINICO                              Date: 12/21/93 11:12a
Subj: Re: Toshiba drivers?                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

SS>   -=> David Remer Said this and Now I'm doing something <=-
SS>
SS> DR> Anyone know if the drivers (DOS & OS/2) for my new TOSHIBA TXM
SS>
SS>        David, unforutunatly, I do not have an answer for you.  But
SS>should  you find ANY information could you PLEASE foward it to me!? As
SS>I have the  txm 3401 e1. And would need the drivers also.  Thank you
SS>greatly,

Sean, I hope these drives we bought are worth the trouble? OS2 drivers
for these drives are in the OS2 2.1 upgrade software according to a
tech person at Adaptec. The DOS and WIN drivers have to be obtained
either through Toshiba 714-455-0407, part# 4E0019-B0 for $62.10.
Or if you have Adaptec 154X, Adaptec has a 75$ software package called
EZ-SCSI that has the drivers in it.

I feel ripped of ROYALLY! I have 2 different Hitachi Drives and a Sony
drive, and though not SCSI, the drivers came with each one as part of
the package price. Needless to say, I will never buy a Toshiba product
again. Hope this info helps you out.

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From: HUGH CRAIG                             Number: 9848
  To: SCOTT GILLIES                            Date: 12/21/93  5:08p
Subj: Rebel Assault...                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message dated 12-11-93, Scott Gillies said to All:

SG>Hey! Does anyone know of any cheats out yet for Rebel Assault? An
SG>invulnerability mode would be nice for this! Much too touchy for my
SG>liking, but it's nice lookin'.
SG>SMG


No cheats Ive seen yet. Just the password list.

 I got a similar complaint. The game is to darn awkward. The flight-
aiming control routine sucks. Why in Gods green earth did they
make the game so miserable to play? It would appear this
was done on purpose. I can aquire and lock onto a target with
my 45ACP much quicker. BFG. (Say, that CD would make a good target....)

Visually the game is hard to knock. Music and special effects are great.

I'm no fan of third person flight sims. I wan't the view to
be from the cockpit of the imaginary craft. Not from behind as
has been done in Rebel Assault on too many missions.

 They had an excellent idea and seemed to screw it up.

I prefer Xwing in most respects. To bad they just didn't do
a super duper CDROM of XWING with all the extra missions with
high res graphics and lots of sound.

 Maybe next time eh?




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From: JEFF WEISS                             Number: 9849
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/21/93  8:19a
Subj: *! Custom CD-ROMs                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

We put YOUR DATA on a writable CD-ROM.
                               ------

We will transfer up to 650 megabytes of data from your tape/removable
media to one CD-ROM.

 o     FULL CONFIDENTIALITY is assured - we don't inspect your data.
 o     Quick turn around time is provided - same day service available.
 o     Data integrity is guaranteed - 30 day money back warranty.
 o     Guaranteed to work on any standard CD-ROM drive.

 - Free up space on expensive magnetic media.
 - Archive your software collection.
 - Consolidate shareware/GIF CDs to eliminate dupes/old versions.
 - Make copies for your friends.
 - Software development alternative to "glass master"
   - Save hundreds of $$$,
   - Eliminate days of delay.

CALL for a FREE writable CD-ROM primer.

           Eternal ARCHIVE Solutions, Inc.
                650 Cooke Street, #3
                    P.O. Box 4402
              Waterbury, CT 06704-0402
                 [phone] voice
                 [phone]  fax

... The tagline from our lawyers:
Customer is responsible for compliance with all licenses, laws, and
  regulations regarding his software or data.  EASI shall not be held
  liable for customer's failure to comply with these requirements.

... CD-ROMs Made EASI (sm)

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From: JEFF WEISS                             Number: 9850
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/21/93  8:22a
Subj: *! Writable CD-ROM                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

We now have the following writable CDs and hardware for sale.

CD-R Discs:

  Ricoh 74 min (660 MB) CD-R discs $19.75 each (any quantity)

CD-ROM Recorders:
       ---------
  Philips CD-ROM RECORDER                              $5,495
    - Philips CDD521 Double Speed CD-ROM Recorder
    - Adaptec 1540c SCSI Controller
    - CD-GEN Premastering Software >now does Multi-Session<

  Ricoh CD-ROM RECORDER                                $3,895
    - Ricoh RS 9200CD Single Speed CD-ROM Recorder
    - SCSI Controller
    - CD Record Software 2.0

These recorders are ideal for archiving, and mass data storage.
The blank 650 meg CD-Rs are much cheaper than any other removable
media.  Also, the CD-ROM readers are much cheaper than any Bernoulli,
Syquest, or WORM drive.  They're even cheaper than SCSI tape drives.

If you want to transfer data to CD-ROM but don't want to purchase
a CD-ROM recorder at this time, we are pleased to offer you our
DATA CONVERSION SERVICES.  We will transfer your data to CD-ROM for you.

Call for a FREE writable CD-ROM primer.

           Eternal ARCHIVE Solutions, Inc.
                650 Cooke Street, #3
                    P.O. Box 4402
              Waterbury, CT 06704-0402
                 [phone] voice
                 [phone]  fax

A $4.95 handling charge is added to all media orders, no matter how
large.  Only the actual shipping charges are billed to your order.
Connecticut residents add 6% sales tax.

... CD-ROMs Made EASI (sm)

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From: JEFF WEISS                             Number: 9851
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/21/93  8:23a
Subj: *! Mitsumi 2X CD $219                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Mitsumi FX001D double-speed internal CD-ROM  ---  $219
  300 - 350 KBPS sustained throughput
  280 - 250 ms average access time
  AT bus interface card included
  All necessary signal and audio cables included
  All necessary install software and manuals included
  caddyless front loading tray (takes 3" CDs as well)
  headphone jack with volume control

1 year warranty.

           Eternal ARCHIVE Solutions, Inc.
                650 Cooke Street, #3
                    P.O. Box 4402
              Waterbury, CT 06704-0402
                 [phone] voice
                 [phone]  fax

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From: ARNIE GROSS                            Number: 9852
  To: MARTIN CLEAVER                           Date: 12/20/93  9:43a
Subj: Re: Amazing!                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Martin -

   MC> What is offered for sale in this echo and how are we to
   MC> know whether it is kosher?  Has the moderator made any
   MC> rules on this matter?

I assume that everything is new, unless stated otherwise.  But
if it's very inexpensive, I ask first.  There are no rules to
that effect, just common sense.

                                                  - Arnie :+}

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From: ARNIE GROSS                            Number: 9853
  To: DAVE WONG                                Date: 12/20/93  9:48a
Subj: Re: Wholesale price CDs                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Dave -

18 Dec 93, Dave Wong writes to All:

   DW> I have wholesale price CDs forsale.

Interesting, but according to your prices, some of the dealers in
this echo are selling below wholesale.  I find that hard to believe.

                                                  - Arnie :+}

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From: MICHAEL SCHAEFFER                      Number: 9854
  To: MICHAEL SCHAEFFER                        Date: 12/21/93  9:03a
Subj: CD-ROM SALE                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 On 12-12-93 Michael Schaeffer wrote to save this:

 MS>          |   Starvector Sales Bulletin #4:  CD-ROM LIQUIDATION!   |
 MS> Mega Clipart........$19   Powerpak Gold 3.0...$13   Wrath of the
 MS> Demon..$27
 MS> World Vision 3-Pak..$37   Business Phonebk 91.$13   Bookshelf
 MS> 1992......$35
 MS> Mac Shareware.......$19   Precision Mapping...$67   Mac M/M
 MS> Space.......$27
 MS> Sporting News.......$22   DTPro...............$24   Game Pack
 MS> 2.........$18
 MS> Shareware Direct.....$9   Phoenix 4.0.........$17   Jedi
 MS> Collection.....$35
 MS> Compton's Fam Ency..$19   Clipart Galore......$20   Reel
 MS> Clips..........$24
 MS> Library of Future...$37   Fantazia Fonts/Snds.$21   Arizona
 MS> Images......$19
 MS>  STARVECTOR SOFTWARE * VISA * MC * AMEX * DISCOVER * SHIPPING: $4 to 5
 MS> pcs.
 MS>  509-457-2892 (VOICE) * 509-457-2966 (FAX) * 1-800-767-1284 (ORDERS
 MS> ONLY!!)
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From: ROBIN COPELAND                         Number: 9855
  To: SHEA WHITE                               Date: 12/21/93 11:00a
Subj: BBS                                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Shea!
I hope this is working.  I was going to tell you about another BBS I found.  It
is called Memphis Mike's Library. I've been calling that one the most lately.
It has a game called Sinkem that is like Battleship.  You get five shots per
day trying to sink other players ships.  There are about 7 players on there
right now.  I've been sinking them left and right.  You can pick any player you
want to shot at.  Nobody has been shooting at me yet, so while there not paying
me any attention, I killing them.  Look for the number of the BBS listing you
gave me and come and help me out.

Oh yeah, I have some other questions for you.  What is a virus?  How do I tell
if I've got one before I run a program that might be infected?  How do I get
rid of it if I find one?  What kind of damage can they do if not detected?
I've seen lots of files on these BBS about viruses, finding them, and such, but
I don't know which one or ones I need or what to do with them after I get them.
 Can you shed any light on this subject?

Well, it's been fun!  Talk to you again soon!

By the way, the alias I've been using on these BBS is Butterfly.  You might see
that sometimes, so look for me!

Robin



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From: JEFF WEISS @ 910/528                   Number: 9856
  To: DANIEL HAGAN                             Date: 12/22/93  1:28a
Subj: Re: *~ Mitsumi 2X CD-ROM                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting Daniel Hagan to Jeff Weiss <=-

 > Mitsumi FX001D double-speed internal CD-ROM  ---  $229

 DH> What sound cards work with this model?  Are there any sound cards that
 DH> can directly drive the Mitsumi (where you hook into the sound card)?

The drive will work with ANY sound card.  I do not know of any sound
card that will CONTROL the drive, however.  This does not mean that
one doesn't exist, it just means _I_ don't know.  Since it comes
bundled with it's own controller, it's a moot question.

BTW, we've dropped the price $10 since the last posting.
Regards,
Jeff
203-759-0574
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From: WARREN KREICK                          Number: 9857
  To: BRICE FLECKENSTEIN                       Date: 12/20/93  2:17p
Subj: Re: MITSUMI OR PANASONIC ???            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Warren is replying to Brice who replied to Warren on 14 Dec 93 06:01pm

>> Any opinions on the ATI /FX or SB-16 or other card, that would be a better
>> choice for use with either of these drives, would be most welcome

 BF>  ATI is only usable to control the Mitsumi. SB is only usable to
 BF>  control a Panasonic/Matsushita.

 Thanks Brice - this'll make buying a drive/sound card combo a whole lot
 simplier !


                                  \\~arren

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From: CHAD REID                              Number: 9858
  To: MIKE SHANNON                             Date: 12/21/93  1:51p
Subj: NIGHT OWL 10 VIRUS REPORT               Refer: NONE
Read: NO                                    Private: No

MS>AM>| Don't hold your breath.  Word is that the six-figure damage settlement
MS>AM>| against them from their latest court battle will sink them.

MS>AM>Out of curiosity, what's the damage settlement for?  Virus?  Commerical??

MS>This latest lawsuit was filed by their former programmer, who is claiming
MS>damages as result of non-payment.

How many times has Night Owl been sued?

Chad


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From: MARTIN RACETTE                         Number: 9859
  To: CHRISTOPH STEINCKE                       Date: 12/21/93  9:48a
Subj: Groliers Encyclopedi                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JD> CS>  Bill Gates, 1981
JD> CS>                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
JD> CS>                        Did he really said that, or is this a joke ?
JD>
JD> That tagline came with my mail reader, and I wasn't paying
JD> attention to Wacky Bill in '81.  BUT dos is still around, isn't it?
JD> Vive OS/2.
JD>

Hi there,

    To answer your question about Bill Gates, Yes he did say it. What a
joke !!!!

BTW Season Greeting

Martin

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From: MARTIN RACETTE                         Number: 9860
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/21/93  9:48a
Subj: Xmas                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

To all that read this conference have a Merry Christmas and a Happy
New Year to you and yours

Martin

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From: DOUG JONES                             Number: 9861
  To: BENNY CHAN                               Date: 12/21/93  8:11a
Subj: Mortal Combat                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> A friend gave it to me... It was on one of the boards that is long
-> distance from me and non-long distance for my friend, so that's why
-> he got it for me...

Care to let me know where? You can netmail me if you would prefer
1:344/107

DJ

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From: DAVE REED                              Number: 9862
  To: MICHAEL MEACHAM                          Date: 12/21/93  8:32p
Subj: Chinon CDS-535                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Michael!

Sunday December 19 1993 07:31, Michael Meacham wrote to All:

 MM>     Hi! :)  Does anyone know where I can find an OS/2 driver for a Chinon
 MM>     CDS-535 CD-ROM drive?

    CHINON.ZIP is available here all day except ZMH.  1:344/79 for file
requests, or [phone] to download.

Later,

Dave

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From: DAVE REED                              Number: 9863
  To: JACK WIGGINS                             Date: 12/21/93  8:36p
Subj: NIGHT OWL 10 VIRUS REPORT               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Jack!

Sunday December 19 1993 01:47, Jack Wiggins wrote to Dave Reed:

 >> And you might be too young to remember that EVERY release of Night
 >> Owls has had commercial programs and/or virus problems.  EVERY ONE
 >> OF THEM!  The folks putting Night Owls together do NOT take
 >> necessary precautions, and the courts are having a field day with
 >> Mr. Graham (aka Night Owl Publisher).

 JW> That's a very interesting statement.  Since we have a local BBS running
 JW> not only the NightOwl 10 disk (with infected files locked out) but the
 JW> NightOwl 9 disk as well, I'd like to hear what files on the 9 disk are
 JW> infected. I'll test em and get this statement cleared up pronto.

Read my original post carefully.  I said, "... commercial programs and/or virus
problems."  You can have a field day with ANY Night Owl product, under these
criteria.

Later,

Dave

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From: BERND NURNBERGER                       Number: 9864
  To: HUGH CRAIG                               Date: 12/21/93 10:07p
Subj: How much a good CD-ROM c                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

HC> In a message dated 12-11-93, Bernd Nurnberger said to Hugh Craig:


HC> BN>In another message you signed AKA Soltan Gris.  Where have I seen that
HC> BN>name before?

HC> He He.  L. Ron Hubbard strike a bell?   Invasion Earth. I have all 10.

HC> Soltan Gris is one of my favorite Anti-heroes.

Yes, that rings.  I have read only up to 7.
Need to pick up the pocket books 3, 8, 9, 10 some time.  Not so easy in
Japan, ordering through local bookstore takes ages and costs twice.


HC> Time for some Hot Jolt.
HC> (I make my own using sugar free hot coco mix with a dab of rum or whiskey.)

All the music, no caffeine.


HC> .. OS/2-Because 32 bits are terrible things to waste

Snapped up a Toshiba XM3401B locally (Tokyo) for about $400.  Found at
home the cables go extra.  Realized later that the PAS 16 I am using for
about a year did not come with the SCSI drivers.  Sh** in pieces. I was
about to return the drive.  Even the sales guys did not mention that the
$400 box he sells would not function without two cables @ $28 and a
driver disk (yet to be located).

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From: AQUINO TEE                             Number: 9865
  To: CARLOS LEGASPI                           Date: 12/02/93  8:54p
Subj: panasonic                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Carlos Legaspi wrote in a message to All:

CL> cd-rom is not being accessed, certain parts are going to
CL> wear out as it is on standbye and certain components
CL> consumes power, i'd like to know if the Panasonic 563

Hmmmmm....kinda scary thought huh?

|<ino

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From: JIMMY MADDEN                           Number: 9866
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/21/93 11:46p
Subj: MAC CD-ROM drive advice needed..        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

If anyone out there is using a CD-ROM drive on their Macintosh, I would
appreciate your input on the best value drive for the money, in terms if
access speed, data transfer rate, and cost.  It will mostly be used for
the new CD-ROM based games in the beginning, if that makes any
difference.  Any opinions will be greatly appreciated!

Thanks!
Jimmy Madden


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From: ROBERT BRIGGS                          Number: 9867
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/22/93  7:48a
Subj: MSCDEX and Dos 6.x                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Does anyone know where to obtain a (more current) copy of MSCDEX that does not
require the use of SETVER under DOs 6.2 ?  I could use the extra memory...

===Bob Briggs

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From: THOMAS GOETTGENS                       Number: 9868
  To: DANIEL HAGAN                             Date: 12/21/93 12:32a
Subj: *~ Mitsumi 2X CD-ROM                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

DH>What sound cards work with this model?  Are there any sound
DH>cards that can directly drive the Mitsumi (where you hook
DH>into the sound card)?

EVERY Soundcard that supports the old LU005S supports the Double Speed
mode of the FX001D. It is only a matter of drivers, if you install the
correct FX-Drivers (i.e. no DMA with most sound cards). The hardware of
the new IF-Card is the same than on the older ones, only smaller (SMD!).
So the card is completely transparent for speed.

P.S. I work at Mitsumi Repair Center Europe in Germany.

Ciao, Thomas vom Westpol!
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From: DAVID SILVER                           Number: 9869
  To: AARON TIEDJE                             Date: 12/21/93  8:17a
Subj: Re: Pioneer DRM-600                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting Aaron Tiedje to David Silver <=-

 AT> *** Quoting David Silver to Tony Albrich dated 12-07-93 ***
 >  Yup, they are.  HDSS (in Computer Shopper) is selling them for
 > $629.00.

 AT> Yeh, but the 604X is much faster & costs $1200 or so.

Very true - I bought one and am quite happy with it.


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From: DAVID SILVER                           Number: 9870
  To: AARON TIEDJE                             Date: 12/21/93  8:19a
Subj: Re: 6 Disk Cd-Rom                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting Aaron Tiedje to James Martin <=-

 AT> Get a Pioneer 604x 6-disc changer.  It is 185ms & has a DTR of
 AT> 600kb/s.  I don't know where exactly, but is Computer Shopper, I've
 AT> seen it for $1199.  I paid $1339.  It really flies.  It is SCSI II
 AT> compatable.  I know someone w/ 7 of these.  That's 42 drives!

 Actually, it is 300ms or less access time - and it DOES fly...


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From: DAVID SILVER                           Number: 9871
  To: MIKE MCGUIRE                             Date: 12/21/93  8:37a
Subj: Re: Multiple Cd-rom w/ BBS              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Mike,

 -=> Quoting Mike McGuire to Mike Romard <=-


 MM> Well it might be a problem if you decide to get a Pioneer 604x multi
 MM> cd changer and run a multinode BBS. Here's a example: User on node 1,
 MM> DL'ing a file off drive P: which is on the Multi CD changer, User 2
 MM> wants to DL a file off drive Q: which is also on the same CD changer.
 MM> Who is going to get priority, since the changer's platter will have to
 MM> rotate to bring up drive Q:. They bump heads trying to get access to
 MM> the drives. That's one one the reasons I went with seperate CD's
 MM> instead of the 6 disk changer. Now don't get me wrong, I have seen
 MM> some collisions running the seperate CD's also.
 MM> Mike

The answer is to work with a door that supports multi-cd/multi-node access.
To my knowledge, there is at least one that does this extremely well.  It
was written with the Pioneer (of which I own one) in mind.  It supports all
DOOR.SYS systems - or any that can convert their drop files to same. Very
quick - based on text file configuration and no need for binarily indexed
databases.  I used it for about 2 days before I sent off for registration.
Name of the program is EZROM - with the current version findable as:
EZR-120R.???  88,886.  I'm sure you can find it to you closer than
me, and it is WELL worth looking into.  Setup up is very fast.  I used to
have the files.bbs reformatting blues you mentioned above.  I installed
Night Owl 10 in all of about 20 minutes.  Displays of file descriptions are
picture perfect and the program is just plain fast.  Some folks object to
using a door for file transfers of any kind, but I like to integrate
whatever works best for my users.  I am a multinode system that is quite
satisfied with what this program provides.  Another way to deal with
multiple access to the same disk is to use a program that copies files to
a designated hard drive location before transferring them.  This frees up
the CD as quickly as possible.  The one I am slightly familiar with is CDS.
The version I have is 2.51 and I am wanting to register it, but have lost
original archive.  If you (or anyone else) has an address for the author,
I would be most appreciative.

David

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From: JACK WIGGINS                           Number: 9872
  To: DAVID KENNEDY                            Date: 12/21/93 12:23a
Subj: MITSUMI CD-ROM AND OS/2                 Refer: NONE
Read: NO                                    Private: No


 > I have a cheep mitsumi cd-rom and nead a driver to get os/2 to use
 > it.  I've looked evrywhare for it and can't find it.  If anyone out
 > ther has it can you tell me where to get it.

I just saw this file on EXEC-PC.  Caught my eye since I have a "cheap mitsumi"
too.  Hahahaha!  If you end up being unable to find the driver, lemme know and
I'll mail it on a floppy.



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From: JACK WIGGINS                           Number: 9873
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/21/93 12:47a
Subj: BATTLECHESS                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I'm sure that I saw (at one time before I had a CD) Battlechess on a CD-ROM
disk version.  Unfortunately, I can't find it new or used now.  Does anyone
know if this sadistically bloody version of chess was ever released on CD or if
it's still available?  I'd sure love to find a copy.  <grin!>


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From: DOUG CARPENTER                         Number: 9874
  To: GIULIANO MACIOCCI JR                     Date: 12/22/93  8:31p
Subj: Dupe Chart?                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 GMJ> Day of the Tentacle seems good as a game, but for
 GMJ> the shareware I don't know what to buy. I have
 GMJ> Night Owl 10, and would like to buy a new CD
 GMJ> (1993) which contains few files which NO10 also
 GMJ> contains. I'm looking for suggestions for games,
 GMJ> shareware and any other CDs. I'd also be happy if
 GMJ> someone sent  me a dupe chart with the various
 GMJ> shareware CDs in it.

Mike Shannon has an excellent dupe chart for several CDROMs.  We have Day of
the Tentacle in stock for $43.95 and the Pier 3 would be an excellent choice to
complement your Nightowl 10 with little duplication between the two in stock
for $24.95.  Give us a call at 615-339-0235 if interested.

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From: DOUG CARPENTER                         Number: 9875
  To: THOMAS GUILFOYLE                         Date: 12/22/93  8:33p
Subj: CD ROM DISK CATALOG                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 TG> looking for shareware CD's but mostly R-Rated and
 TG> X-Rated ones.  Does anyone have any suggestions of

Goosebump Graphics has the most extensive line of adult CDROMs, although their
prices are very high.  Mike Shannon has less titles in the adult line, but much
better prices on the adult titles.....we can offer you the best prices around
on regular shareware titles....

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From: JANUSZ SUROWKA                         Number: 9876
  To: JOE SITKO                                Date: 12/21/93  5:29p
Subj: 7Th Guest & SVGA question               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

* In a message originally to All, Joe Sitko said:
JS> I just bought a used copy of 7th Guest on CD.  I didn't
JS> realize it at the
JS> time I bought it, that it needs SVGA to run.  My question
JS> is," Can I
JS> just go out and buy a SVGA card to replace my VGA card, and
JS> will my
JS> monitor (VGA) still work, or do I need to go out and get a
JS> new card AND
JS> new monitor?"

JS> What card would one recommend and how much are they going
JS> for?

JS> Thanks for the help.  This video stuff is pretty new to
JS> me........
First of all, you can run the game at 320x200 rez!!
and you wanted to know if you can connect a SVGA card to a vga monitor??
Well your reading a message from someone who runs 640x480x256!!
anyways, the answer is "Yes" you can connect a SVGA card to a VGA monitor
and run SVGA mode, only upto 640x480, though!!

As for the type of V-Card that you want, get whatever, /w atleast 512K
on it, but dont buy a Oak or a Trident!!
Paradise is allright, Ati, Diamond are great!!

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From: JOE RINEHART                           Number: 9877
  To: CHARLES I PAYNE                          Date: 12/21/93  2:57p
Subj: Re: 1100+ cd's catalog                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> JOE, SEND ME A CATALOG OF YOUR DISCS I NEED MEDICAL STUFF AND THE
> OCCASIONAL GAME
> THANKS. Charles I. Payne
Charles,
    Thank you for your inquiry, but I need an address.  Your name is not
in my Fido Nodelist as a sysop.
    Happy Holidays....
    Joe Rinehart

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From: *********** REFURBISHED  HITAC         Number: 9878
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/21/93  7:39p
Subj: These Are the long awaite               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

    Great for BBS usage, buy 8 drives and get an instant 5.44 Gigs!
          IN-STOCK READY TO SHIP  Daisy-chainable to 8 drives!
    $130.00 bare unit, 30 day warrantee, 680 meg, avg. speed 380mls.
           Internet: [e-mail]
      FidoNet 1:157/479 - RBBSNet 8:965/13 - KesherNet 18:711/176
Joe Rinehart / config.sys, Inc.     Voice: [phone]  -  24 hours
P.O. Box 27                         Data/Fax: (216) 296-GIGO(4446) ZyX
Kent, Ohio 44240-0001               >>>INTERNATIONAL ORDERS WELCOME<<<

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From: JOE RINEHART                           Number: 9879
  To: JACK WIGGINS                             Date: 12/22/93 12:29a
Subj: Re: Cd-rom info help!!                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

>  >     It really depends what you are looking for in a drive.  If you
>  > want to plan for adding rom-drives in the future (daisy chaining)
>  > for bbs use, then you might want to look at some other models as
>  > well.  Mitsumi drives can not be daisy chained, but if you are
>  > useing them for personnal use, it wouldn't matter.
>
> I just saw a text file regarding how to daisy chain Mitsumi drives.
> Didn't download it because of time considerations but if this is
> something wanted, I'll be happy to go get the file and see what it
> says.
>
>
> --- TMail v1.31.1
>  * Origin: Treasure Chest ML-TBBS - South Bend, IN [phone]
    Jack,
    I apologize if I may have been wrong!  Please keep me informed as to
the facts.  It might be that the models I have information on could be
wrong, in which case I'd like to know.
    Thanks for rsponding.
    Joe Rinehart
    1:157/479

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From: *********** FREE HUGE CD-ROM DI        Number: 9880
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/22/93  6:05a
Subj: For The largest selection               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

If you'd like a printed copy, send your mailing information to us.
We offer CDLIST file attach's upon request.
CATALOG FREQ: cdlist.zip    (over 1,100 cd-rom disc titles available)
        Internet: [e-mail]
    FidoNet: 1:157/479 - RBBSNet 8:965/13 - KesherNet 18:711/176
Joe Rinehart / config.sys, Inc.    Voice: [phone]  -  24 hours
P.O. Box 27                        Data/Fax: (216) 296-GIGO(4446) ZyX
Kent, Ohio 44240-0001              >>>INTERNATIONAL ORDERS WELCOME<<<

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From: *********** REFURBISHED  HITAC         Number: 9881
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/22/93  6:05a
Subj: These Are the long awaite               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

    Great for BBS usage, buy 8 drives and get an instant 5.44 Gigs!
          IN-STOCK READY TO SHIP  Daisy-chainable to 8 drives!
    $130.00 bare unit, 30 day warrantee, 680 meg, avg. speed 380mls.
           Internet: [e-mail]
      FidoNet 1:157/479 - RBBSNet 8:965/13 - KesherNet 18:711/176
Joe Rinehart / config.sys, Inc.     Voice: [phone]  -  24 hours
P.O. Box 27                         Data/Fax: (216) 296-GIGO(4446) ZyX
Kent, Ohio 44240-0001               >>>INTERNATIONAL ORDERS WELCOME<<<

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From: TIM HELTON                             Number: 9882
  To: JEFF WEISS                               Date: 12/24/93  8:40a
Subj: *! Writable CD-ROM                      Refer: 12335
Read: NO                                    Private: No

-> We now have the following writable CDs and hardware for sale.

Jeff, 10 line max on ads.

tim
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From: THE LAWMAN                             Number: 9883
  To: MIKE MCGUIRE                             Date: 12/21/93 12:50p
Subj: Multiple Cd-rom w/ BBS                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Hello The!
->
-> 17 Dec 93 15:19, The Lawman wrote to Mike Mcguire:
->
->  TL> Surely you jest about the six disk changer, even the multiple
->  TL> single units, in multi node you will NOT have any problems until
->  TL> you have 2 lines requesting the exact same file area at the exac
->  TL> same time, once that persons marks the file the next user can
->  TL> after about a sec or two be able to mark it as well, and unless
->  TL> they start their downloads at the exact same time there is still
->  TL> no problem as the file is copied to the hard drive for d/l at
->  TL> that time. I have 3 internal cdrom drives and I've never seen an
->  TL> user have to wait more than 3 sec for a file even when they begi
->  TL> d/l's, now I'm buying six disk changer to add to my system.
->
-> Nope, no jest, but if you look at the original post, he is going to b
-> Maximus/2 and OS/2. As of yet, Maximus has no internal features to al
-> copying files off the CD to HD and there is no native OS/2 CD-rom doo
-> will allow copying files off the cd to HD......
->
-> Mike
->
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Yep, didn't see that post. Sounds like a hard road to travel. Lots of
luck, ordered my 6 disk changer today.


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From: JEFF HUBERT                            Number: 9884
  To: SEAN HILSCHER                            Date: 12/22/93  4:37p
Subj: Re: Lower prices!!                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Sorry, I sold them.

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From: MIKE SHANNON                           Number: 9885
  To: DON BOSMAN                               Date: 12/22/93 12:20a
Subj: re N.O. files                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

DB>  MS>Incorrect again.  SCAN 1.08 was ON the original cut of Night Owl 10.

DB>  Also the file detailing that 1.08 wouldn't catch Butterfly without the
DB>    info that was in that file.

Not true.  The file to which you refer revealed that version 106 would not
detect the Butterfly virus, not 108.  Here is the excerpt from the Night
Owl 10.0 file listing, exactly as it came from the CD:

SCANBFLY.ZIP      423  06-24-93  I M P O R T A N T External String To Use With
                               | Mcafee'S Scan To Check For The Butterfly
                               | Virus  Note: Scan V: 106 Does Not Find The
                               | Butterfly Virus So It Has To Be Scanned For
                               | Externally  Read The File For Instructions
                               | Last revision date in archive: 06-24-1993
SCANV108.ZIP   252954  09-15-93  McAfee's SCANVirus program v1.08

Notice also that version 108 is on the disc, and it DOES detect both the
Butterfly and Memory Lapse viruses, or at least claims to in the included
"VIRLIST.TXT" file that comes with it.

Later,
.\\ike


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From: MIKE SHANNON                           Number: 9886
  To: HUGH CRAIG                               Date: 12/22/93 12:21a
Subj: Good Shareware Cds                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

HC>  Take the 4 pack Sharware Explorer off the list. I just got
HC>  it and thought the listings lame.
HC>  Nice interface but the search engine is as slow as molases. Makes
HC>  it close to useless. I've got magazine CDs that are a 100 times
HC>  faster when searching for text strings,etc. Sickening to see...

Then you should try Damar's new CD Powerbox 2.  It has a *universal*
interface that will work with most of the popular shareware CD's on the
market, and it does operate quite fast!  One interface, less hassle!  It's
kind of like throwing away all your old remotes, and using one universal
model.  We have them in stock at $29 if you are interested.  All '93 file
dates, with files as new as mid-November.

HC>  I'm going to look for Peir 7 disks now.

Excellent choice, but being a distributor for Pier, I can tell you that "7"
probably won't be out until around July of '95, so it could be a long
wait. <g>  The current version is 3, and we're looking at a *possible*
release date of late January '94 for version 4.

Talk at ya later,
.\\ike

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From: MIKE SHANNON                           Number: 9887
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/22/93 12:21a
Subj: HOTTEST NEW CD                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

           |     Title:  CD POWERBOX 2            Price:  $29   |

 1. CD Powerbox 2 + CD Powerbox 1.01 (no dupes!)........................$35
 2. CD Powerbox 2 + CD Winbox 1.01......................................$45
 3. CD Powerbox 2 + OS/2Box.............................................$45
 SUPER SPECIAL: ALL FOUR DISCS (Powerbox 1 & 2, OS/2Box, and Winbox)....$55
 600+mb of only 1993 files!  Features Universal Graphic User Interface!

 STARVECTOR SOFTWARE * VISA * MC * AMEX * DISCOVER * SHIPPING: $4 to 5 pcs.
 509-457-2892 (VOICE) * 509-457-2966 (FAX) * 1-800-767-1284 (ORDERS ONLY!!)

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From: MIKE SHANNON                           Number: 9888
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/22/93 12:21a
Subj: "R" ADULT CD TITLES                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 Amateur Models................34.00    Girls of Risque (New!)........35.00
 American Girls (New!).........34.00    High Volume Nudes.............36.50
 Busty Babes vol 2 rel 1.......29.00    L.A. Strippers (Movie)........49.00
 Digital Dancing (Movie).......48.00    Lovely Ladies (Swimsuit)......32.00
 Digital Dreams 1..............28.00    Photo Gallery.................34.00
 Digital Dreams 2 (New!).......29.00    Southern Beauties.............33.00
 Girls of Mardi Gras (New!)....43.00    Women of Venus (Swimsuit).....29.00

 STARVECTOR SOFTWARE * VISA * MC * AMEX * DISCOVER * SHIPPING: $4 to 5 pcs.
 509-457-2892 (VOICE) * 509-457-2966 (FAX) * 1-800-767-1284 (ORDERS ONLY!!)

 * SLMR 2.1a * Perot of Borg:  Resistance?  Now that's just sad.

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From: MICHAEL SMITH47                        Number: 9889
  To: JOE SITKO                                Date: 12/20/93  3:21p
Subj: 7Th Guest & SVGA question               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JS>time I bought it, that it needs SVGA to run.  My question is," Can I
JS>just go out and buy a SVGA card to replace my VGA card, and will my
JS>monitor (VGA) still work, or do I need to go out and get a new card AND
JS>new monitor?"

Over a year ago I upgraded to a cheap Trident 1meg card, no frills, but
supports SVGA.  I only have a VGA monitor, but the combination works
with a couple CD's I have that say SVGA is needed.  The only thing I
notice is that some of the graphics have peculiar shading, something
like what a 256 color gif looks like in 16 color display, but not as bad.
You should be able to get a plain jane SVGA card (1 meg) for under $50.
Warning:  I don't have 7th Guest; there's always an exception with these
@#$% 'puters.
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From: MARK HOLLOWAY                          Number: 9890
  To: DAVID KENNEDY                            Date: 12/22/93  1:34a
Subj: mitsumi cd-rom and os/2                 Refer: NONE
Read: NO                                    Private: No

DR>RE: Message entered on Dec 13,93 by DAVID KENNEDY to ALL
DR>*********************************************************************
DR>DK> I**  have a cheep mitsumi cd-rom and nead a driver to get os/2 to
DR>DK> Iuse it. 've looked evrywhare for it and can't find it.  If
DR>DK> anyone out ther has it can you tell me where to get it.

I just downloaded MITFXNEW.ZIP of of the Computer Edge Bulletin Board at
[phone]. This is exactly what you are looking for and can
definately be found there. Only thing it will cost is a toll charge to
San Diego, CA

MARK


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From: JEFF MASTERMAN                         Number: 9891
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/19/93 10:58a
Subj: Encyclopedia                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Would someone please comment on the available encyclopedias. I am thinking
about buying 94'Encarta but I can get Comptons for about the same money. I want
to know which package has the most useful information for my daughters age 10
and 13. Thanks.


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From: JOHN WARNER                            Number: 9892
  To: MIKE HOFFERT                             Date: 12/18/93  1:33a
Subj: Christmas stuff!?                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

MH>AK>1.  Pioneer 6-disk changer, DRM-600, with 6-disk caddy and
MH>AK>drivers, $650  including shipping.

MH>I am interested.  I need to hang a CD on a Novell Network. Can't find
MH>reliabe software to do it without using a PC for a CD server. Any
MH>suggestions?

There's a device called a DiscPort by a company called (i think) Microtest.
Costs about $550 - it becomes a volume on your server.  The NLMs and drivers
take up about 140K.

jw

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From: BERT VAAGS                             Number: 9893
  To: ALL OWNERS OF TOSHIBA 3401               Date: 12/09/93 12:27p
Subj: cd-i                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello All!

I do have, just like you, the Toshiba 3401 (internal) cdrom drive.
I am very satisfied with my drive except one thing:
In the manual they say that the Toshiba 3401 is CD-I ready. Well I have tried
it with some nice CD-I cd's but it doesn't work at all. The drive trows the
cd's out, just like dirt.
I think that this is an misinformation from Toshiba, and I am very mad !! about
this. The possibity to read CD-I was one of my reasons why I bought this
Toshiba. Is it allowed to advertise with this option, wich doesn't work at all
? I don't think so. If you do agree with me, than we should start an campagne
to make Toshiba aware of their foults.
Do you stand with me ?

Greetings: Bert...

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From: BERT VAAGS                             Number: 9894
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/13/93 10:54p
Subj: List                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello All!

I am desperately searching for the next cd's:


Dracula Unleashed,
The 11th Hour,

and other new game stuff, has to match with the 7th Guest, wich I played for 3
months to solve everything.

If you have a list of cd's and you want to sell your collection or you are
commercial, than sent me a fax or respond on this message.
You may sent a list by post also.
My adress:

Bert Vaags
Eekelerweg 3,
7102 ES Winterswijk,
The Netherlands.
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

I prefer faxes because I recieve them much faster, and I can order also very
fast.
So If you want to sell some nice cd's than FAX !

Greetings: Bert...

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From: BERT VAAGS                             Number: 9895
  To: TOM DIVITTORIO @ 930/1                   Date: 12/15/93  6:04p
Subj: CD ROM SCSI Drive                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Tom!

Dinsdag December 07 1993, Tom Divittorio @ 930/1 writes to Everyone:

    9>>  I am considering buyind a SCSI CD ROM to go with my PAS 16 SCSI sound
 TD@9>>  card.  I don't know a lot about the technology and would like some
 TD@9>>  advice as to what features to look for and how much I might expect to
 TD@9>>  pay.  I want an internal drive that will play audio as well. Must be
 TD@9>>  SCSI. Any advice?

Only one advise, buy a Toshiba 3401_b internal double speed SCSI cdrom,
330kb/sec data transfer and full compatible with the PAS16 SCSI card. I use
this configuration to, and it works GREAT !!!!!!

Greetings: Bert...

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From: ERIC JAN                               Number: 9896
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/21/93  1:32a
Subj: Game Card                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

   OK.. I know this is really off topics.. but I don't know which
conference can I talk about this...  recently, I read an article about
building an ultimate game machine.. well.. at the end of it.. the writer
recommended to have a seperate game I/O card for joystick... he claimed
that the game port built in the sound card is not fast enough for 486s..
I have a 486 and a ProAudio Spectrum 16, which has a game port built in
it.. do I really need a seperate game card for joystick... if yes.. do I
have to worry about configure its IRQ or stuffs like that...

Eric


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From: ADAM BRIAND                            Number: 9897
  To: BRIAN TALBOT                             Date: 12/19/93 11:06p
Subj: Fx-001d                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BT >  > I have and works great! I got it from Zeos for $199.00
   >  > and it came with a
   >  > cardinal 16 bit sound card and speakers.
   >
   > GG>WOW! I have seen that drive for under $200 at the computer swaps, but
   > GG>never with a sound card and speakers at that price.  Did you have to
buy
   > GG>anything else from Zeos to get that deal?
   >
   > GG>Graham
   > I just called and ordered it.  I have never brought
   > anything from them before.
   > I was truly surprised to find speakers and a sound board as well as the CD
   > player. I am not using the sound board though and do not know how good it
i
   > because I am using OS2.
   >  Brian

Could you give me the phone number for that Zeos store?  I want to get
one of those great deals too!

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From: WAYNE FINLAY                           Number: 9898
  To: THE LAWMAN                               Date: 12/22/93  2:57a
Subj: Multiple Cd-rom w/ BBS                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

How much do disk changers go for? Also, how does the computer access them? Are
the CD's all seen as being on one drive? That is, if you have CD's A, B, C and
D; if you want to access CD A, does it have its own drive letter, likewise for
CD B, CD C and CD D.

                Cheer-I/O!
                  > Wayne <


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From: FRANK MURPHY                           Number: 9899
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/20/93  1:48p
Subj: SB 16 AND NOISE                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

        I finally sprung for a Sound blaster 16 and after more than a bit of
fiddling got it to play MPC sounds from CD ROM disks. I still haven't
got it to play music from audio disks although the music is still available
from the headphone jacks of the front of the reader.
        My major concern is the noise (like static on an old radio) that
seems to fill up any silent space between the dialogue on sound clips. Has
anyone experienced this problem with a 16 bit SOUND BLASTER and Sony reader
combination. Any suggestions gratefully received.... by the way, Merry Xmas.


... OFFLINE 1.50

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From: GIULIANO MACIOCCI JR                   Number: 9900
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/19/93  1:34p
Subj: Video for Windows                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi All!

I recently got hold of the Windows Multimedia Extensions 1.0 CD, and upgraded
my existing Windows 3.1 by installing the extensions. Everything runs smoothly
(Or as smoothly as Windows usually goes, which is still pretty slow) except for
Video for Windows.

When I run MEDIA PLAYER  and try to load an .AVI sequence, I get a window
titled "MMTASK" which says my application caused an error, and that I can
either close it or ignore it. If I click 3 times on the "ignore" button, the
.AVI sequence is loaded and I can play it.

The same error window appears when I try to change the size of the movie's
window, and again if I press "ignore" 3 times I can continue doing what I
wanted to.

This is terribly annoying, so could any Windows Multimedia Gurus out there
advice me on a solution for the problem? Thanks in advance for your help, which
I know will be fortcoming! :-)

TTYL
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From: GIULIANO MACIOCCI JR                   Number: 9901
  To: PRESTON VOOSEN                           Date: 12/20/93  7:52a
Subj: Re: Installing a CD-ROM                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Preston!


 On dark and windy Monday December 13 1993, Preston Voosen bellowed:

 PV> I was just wondering how difficult setting up a CD-ROM is.  When I do
 PV> install it, what is teh drive letter assigned to it?  Thanks for teh
 PV> information.

I cannot talk for everyone, but my Panasonic (Matsushita) CR562b installed
itself. I only make a couple of connections as explained in the manual, run the
install disk (This one came as "Lasermate utility disk" or something) and
reboot. I was up and running in less than 15 minutes. This is an Internal
drive, BTW, an external may even be easier to install (If that's possible).

About the drive letter, an install prog should set the drive's letter to one
greater than the last drive currently installed, eg. If you have 2 HDs, C: and
D:, the CD will become E:. If an install program does not do the above, it's up
to you to set the drive's letter in the drivers (like MSCDEX) and to remember
to set the "lastdrive=" line in your config.sys to a letter greater than that
of the CD drive itself (if CD is D:, then "lastdrive=E"). This will allow for a
Ramdrive or anything else you may want to install temporarily which would
occupy a drive letter.

Basically, although there may be problems, they're usually easy to solve .
CD-ROM drives are easier to install than many other devices.

 PV> Preston

TTYL
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From: GIULIANO MACIOCCI JR                   Number: 9902
  To: JOE RINEHART                             Date: 12/20/93  8:06a
Subj: Re: 1100+ cd's catalog                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Joe!


 bright and merry Tuesday December 14 1993, Robert Wester whispered:

 >> Ask for a copy of our CDLIST!  If you'd like a
 >> printed copy, send your
 >> mailing information to us.  We don't mark-up shipping> like other
 >> dealer

If it's Totally, absolutely and utterly FREE, I'm interested! I have to get
some CD's soon, and need a catalog badly. You can send me an "electronic" list
in UUENCODED Zip format (no Internet access over here, I'm afraid) to either
one of my e-mail addresses, and I'd be very grateful for that.

Otherwise,

34 Clairwood Rd.
Alexandra Park
Harare-Zimbabwe
Africa

Many thanks in advance, I hope to become one of your custumers soon!

TTYL
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From: GIULIANO MACIOCCI JR                   Number: 9903
  To: JEREMY ROLLINGS                          Date: 12/20/93  8:29a
Subj: Re: Great Games???                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Jeremy!


 On dark and windy Monday December 13 1993, Jeremy Rollings bellowed:

 JR> Life is frustrating enough without having to get pissed off at a game.
 JR>  What do you recommed out there? It should be at lesat VGA 320X240X256
 JR>  with soundblaster music and digitized sounds.

I've heard "Day of the Tentacle" is good, and I watched the demo from Night Owl
10, and it seemed excellent! The voices in the demo are crystal clear on my
SBPRO, the graphics are cartoon-like though lo-res and the characters are
fun. Any more advice out there? Should I buy it? You see, I'm in the same boat
as you, looking for a good, long-lasting but not-too-frustrating CD game!

TTYL
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From: GIULIANO MACIOCCI JR                   Number: 9904
  To: BENJAMIN ORTIZ                           Date: 12/20/93  9:01a
Subj: Re: Night Owl 10 Virus Re               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Benjamin!

 On dark and windy Tuesday December 14 1993, Benjamin Ortiz bellowed:

 BO> I think maybe you should read something called the HACK REPORT for

 BO> I thought I had also made one thing perfectly clear over Fido as well:
 BO> NOBODY THESE DAYS CAN GIVE A 100% GUARANTEE ON A PRODUCT.
 BO> Look...listen... ....LEARN...

Way to go Benjamin! My feelings Exactly!! :-)

I think there's been a lot of unjustified "Night Owl Bashing" lately. To all
you bashers out there, instead of narrowing your attention span to *2* files,
take a deep breath and look at the other five-thousand-plus  files in the CD,
some of them are real excellent. Take Terminate 1.0, for example, It replaced
my Procomm Plus, Telix and Binkleyterm programs at once. Truly remarcable
software, and, amazingly enough, shareware and mostly uncrippled.

2 Viruses, "Whoooaaaaaaah!!"  Night Owl 10 is still a great CD, and if someone
can deny that with good reason, please do so! But don't come with the "But they
had TWO viruses there, that's bad!!" kind of argument, for the group of
clapping old ladies supporting you in that statement won't matter much to those
who REALLY explored the CD. <g>

To whoever produced the CD, if you can hear me, you did a great job, if it
weren't for the viruses your CD would rate TOP. I'll be waiting (and hoping)
for a next release soon!

This is *NOT* a flame, just an attempt to set order to things which in my
humble opinion have been growing out of hand due to misinformation or simple
boredom.

...Plus, the Butterfly (CRUSADES strain) virus isn't all that dangerous anyway.

TTYL
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From: GIULIANO MACIOCCI JR                   Number: 9905
  To: BRUNO CONTE                              Date: 12/20/93  9:11a
Subj: Re: 7Th Guest                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Bruno!


 On dark and windy Sunday December 12 1993, Bruno Conte bellowed:

[On The 7th Guest...]

 BC>  I've recently bought a CD-ROM and I've got some interest on this
 BC>  game, by some magazines advertisements.
 BC>  Can someone help me?

Awesome, a true top-of-the-line show off in case a friend comes over to look at
your CD. A bit frustrating, maybe, but technically amazing.

TTYL
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From: HAYDEN BRADSHAW                        Number: 9906
  To: MIKE MORE                                Date: 12/22/93  8:46p
Subj: commericial CD Roms?                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

MM>I'd appreciate it if you could send me a catalogue as well:


It's on its way, Mike.
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From: HAYDEN BRADSHAW                        Number: 9907
  To: JASON HYDAMACKA                          Date: 12/22/93  8:47p
Subj: Cat.                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JH>Howdy.  I'd also like a copy of your catalogue.

It's in the mail, Jason.
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From: SAM FIGUEROA                           Number: 9908
  To: BENNY CHAN                               Date: 12/19/93  3:23a
Subj: MORTAL KOMBAT                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BC>DJ+--Do you mean a beta of a cd-rom version of mortal kombat for the PC?
BC>DJ+--WOW if you can give me some insight on how this compares to the arcade
BC>DJ+--UI would be greatful.. actually if you knew how I could get in on the
BC>DJ+--beta that would help too.

BC>THIS IS MY FAULT... off topic... I shouldn't be writing this here...
BC>Nope, it's not a CDROM version... it's only like 3 megs... compare to
BC>the arcade? It's VERY NICE, I can say that the graphics are EXACTLY the
BC>SAME as the arcade... !!
BC> +----------------------------------------------- >8 Cut Here --------
BC> | Benny Chan writing from Diamond Bar, L.A. California - USA
BC> | Internet: [e-mail]
BC> +-
BC> * TLX v3.20 * Ford, we can't wait for the heart to beat!
BC>--- GEcho 1.01+
BC> * Origin: THE BAD DOG BBS [phone] Covina, Ca (1:218/903)
 Benny,
        Could you please tell me where and how much Mortal Kombat for
        the PC is? Is it like a free deal that you can just copy and
        pass around like a demo or something? I would like a copy from
        ya if so! Thanks, if I can do anything for ya or give ya a copy
        of any program let me know! I have tons!
                                        Sam Figueroa
                                        Sam's Software
                                        [phone]


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From: SAM FIGUEROA                           Number: 9909
  To: BOB BREED                                Date: 12/19/93  3:24a
Subj: Movie CD Request                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BB>    I'm looking to buy one REALLY Definitive CD disk that covers
BB>movies in depth. I have several 'data base' style programs, but
BB>they all fail my depth test.
BB>    The test is simple, and is met by my printed copy of
BB>Halliwells' Film Guide 7th edition. (A British film writer with
BB>an excellent eye for detail.)

BB>    Anyway, IMHO, any CD worth its salt should have these two
BB>movies:

BB>                            Easy to Wed
BB>                            Twice Blessed

BB>    They are both older movies that were 'B' type. I use them
BB>only to determine completeness of a data-base.

BB>    The CD should also provide for searching across the movies by
BB>star -- even a bit-player. To test that feature, I would use the
BB>following:

BB>    How many movies are listed for S. Z. Sakall? (He was a bit
BB>player in many movies -- even CasaBlanca.)

BB>    If anyone has a CD that passes these tests, or even a few of
BB>them, I would be interested in what is listed under these
BB>subjects.

BB> The disk doesn't have to be Multi-media -- I'm not
BB>really interested in seeing 'clips,' only in a good data-base.
BB>(Multi-media wouldn't hurt -- just not required.)

BB>    Thanks for you time.


BB>... "Captain, I sense a million minds staring at my cleavage"
BB>___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12

BB>--- ProBoard v1.31 [EVALUATION]
BB> * Origin: Alien Biker Kat BBS [phone] (1:202/1010)
 Hey,
        Try Microsoft Cinemania, thats supposed to be pretty TOUGH!
                                Sam Figueroa
                                Sam's Software


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From: SAM FIGUEROA                           Number: 9910
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/22/93  8:25p
Subj: Busty Babes disc+N-Owl10                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi all,
      I was wondering if someone could tell exactly which files on Night
      Owl 10 have the viruses on them! I think SF2_UP.ZIP does and I
      almost forgot and downloaded it! What are the other files! I was
      also wondering which version of Busty Babes is the version that
      has had all the controversy surrounding it! My friend has it and
      doesn't have a way to identify it! I know it has alot of Film and
      Movie star .GIF's on it? Do any of the newer Busty Babes also have
      the Film and Movie Star Gif's on them.  If not can someone
      recommend a Adult CD which has a bunch of Movie, Film, and Famous
      People .GIF's on it! All I know about the BB CD that my friend has
      is that it looks like its in a more or less dark or black case
      with a woman on front! I know its vague but don't know much about
      it!

                                Thanks for all your responds,
                                    Sam Figueroa


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From: BRICE FLECKENSTEIN                     Number: 9911
  To: RICKY BOOTH                              Date: 12/17/93  4:52p
Subj: BUYING A CDROM                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

>BF> >RB> All CD's are under $300. BF>  NOT!

>CD's, as in COMPACT DISC. You know, games and music are on them? Usually 17
>dollars for music CD's, and 60 or so for games.

 Precisely. I carry at least a DOZEN CD's that are over $300 - not drives,
PROGRAMS, like Lotus 1-2-3 and Framemaker and SoftPC and some of the Unix
varients and....

>My original message stated that all CDs are under 300 dollars, but CD-ROM
>DRIVES range from 250 to several thousand.

>Read the complete message before replying...

 I did. Don't ASSume that you know everything.


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From: BRICE FLECKENSTEIN                     Number: 9912
  To: RICKY BOOTH                              Date: 12/21/93  1:24a
Subj: BUYING A CDROM                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

>BF> >RB> All CD's are under $300. BF>  NOT!

>CD's, as in COMPACT DISC. You know, games and music are on them? Usually 17
>dollars for music CD's, and 60 or so for games.

 Precisely.

>My original message stated that all CDs are under 300 dollars, but CD-ROM
>DRIVES range from 250 to several thousand.

 Your original message was in error - My shop list has SEVERAL discs (or sets
of discs) in the $300 and up range - some of the Novell Netware DISCS can run
$15,000 or more (for the very high user count versions of 3.12 and 4.1), while
discs in the $400-$1000 range are moderately common (many of the Unix varients,
Framemaker, Photoshop Deluxe, just for a FEW examples) - and there likely are a
LOT of other such titles that I don't carry or have access to.

>Read the complete message before replying...

 I did. Don't ASSume that you know everything.


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From: BRICE FLECKENSTEIN                     Number: 9913
  To: MIKE BILOW                               Date: 12/21/93  8:50a
Subj: MITSUMI CD                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

>The Mitsumi card is not SCSI at all, but a variant of IDE.  However, a
standard
>IDE controller used for hard drives cannot be used with the Mitsumi drive, nor
>will the Mitsumi card conflict with a standard IDE controller.

 It's best not to confuse the issue by mentioning IDE at all. Mitsumi interface
is NOT IDE, no matter where it may have derived from.

>Neither a standard IDE card nor the Mitsumi card will prevent installing an
>Adaptec SCSI card later.  (There are some issues with using the Adaptec ROM to
>support SCSI hard drives if there are also two IDE hard drives, but that is
not
>the discussion here.)

 Always IN-2000 doesn't have that problem.


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From: BRICE FLECKENSTEIN                     Number: 9914
  To: PAUL HARDY                               Date: 12/21/93  2:29p
Subj: PIONEER DRM-602X CHANGER                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

>I just bought a Pioneer DRM-602X. Can anyone tell me if pin 38 on the
connecter
>really supplies TPower/Terminal Power/Whatever you like to call it?

 Terminator Power - which, depending on the setup, is generally supplied by the
Host Adapter.


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From: BRICE FLECKENSTEIN                     Number: 9915
  To: JOE RINEHART                             Date: 12/21/93  3:42p
Subj: WANTED: HITACHI DRIVES                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

>              REFURBISHED Model 3500 HITACHI Drives available!
>         80 times faster then High Speed modems

 More like 40 times as fast, now that the Hayes Optima 288 is getting
widespread....

 8-)


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From: DAVID REIGADA                          Number: 9916
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/22/93 11:57a
Subj: CD Rom trouble                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hey all, anyone out there into repairing CD drives? If so, the CD drive I have
will stop working after awhile, and it seems to be something heat related,
since if you allow it to cool it will start working again. It just happened
suddenly, in that when it started accessing data, it would just keep reading,
and you would get an data error message. I dont think its the CD roms, since
it sometimes reads them with no trouble. Any info??

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From: KYLE MACHULIS                          Number: 9917
  To: JOE RINEHART                             Date: 12/21/93 12:49p
Subj: Re: *FREE Catalog*                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

          Michael Schaeffer wrote 
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▌▓█   Ask for a copy of our CDLIST!  If you'd like a printed copy, send
▌▓█mailing information to us.  We don't mark-up shipping like other
▌▓█dealers.
▌▓█World!
 ╘═══════════════════════════════╛

 Please send me a copy, to.

 Kyle Machulis
 Rt. 2 Box 3440
 Bartlesville, Ok 74003
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From: KYLE MACHULIS                          Number: 9918
  To: JEFF WEISS @ 910/528                     Date: 12/21/93 12:51p
Subj: Re: *~Custom CD-ROMs                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

          Jeff Weiss @ 910/528 wrote 
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▌█▓9> We put YOUR DATA on a writable CD-ROM.
 ╘═══════════════════════════════╛

 Sounds nice. How much?
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From: KYLE MACHULIS                          Number: 9919
  To: HUGH CRAIG                               Date: 12/21/93  1:02p
Subj: Re: 7Th Guest                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

          Hugh Craig wrote 
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█▐▌It's a great game if your into logic puzzles, anagrams, maze puzzles
█▐▌and such.

Have you played or seen 7TH GUEST 2: 11TH HOUR yet? I heard it was suppost to
be out soon.....


█▐▌For reference only:
█▐▌Hardware here is a 486DX-33 ISA w AMI 7/91 BIOS,8megs RAM
█▐▌Trident 8900C SVGA w 1meg (non accelerated),
█▐▌SBPRO IRQ 5 base x220.
█▐▌Intel 400i modem(internal)IRQ 3 and IRQ 11 base x350  (fax on irq 11)
█▐▌Printer IRQ7
█▐▌Mitsumi FX001D IRQ 10,base x300  using the supplied card.
█▐▌
█▐▌Running 800x600x256 Trident drivers for the Desktop.
█▐▌Not using MMPM2. (MMPM2 makes my system sick).
█▐▌Using Stacker for OS/2 and DOS.
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 How would it run on something like this?

 GATEWAY 2000 4DX2/66
 8meg RAM
 ATI Ultra pro w ?meq
 SB16 ASP IRQ 5 BASE x220
 Printer LPT1
 Mitsumi FX001D (Not Installed yet, its a Christmas Present....)
 DBLSPACE, DOS 6.2

 Thanx...*
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From: KYLE MACHULIS                          Number: 9920
  To: THOMAS GUILFOYLE                         Date: 12/21/93  1:09p
Subj: Re: CD ROM DISK CATALOG                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

          Thomas Guilfoyle wrote 
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▌▐▌I was just wondering if there is any sort of catalogs or
▌▐▌companies I could call to get a list of up to date CD's that are BBS
▌▐▌ready.  I am looking for shareware CD's but mostly R-Rated and X-Rated
▌▐▌ones.  Does anyone have any suggestions of who I can call to get the
▌▐▌most recent CD's?  Any help would be greatly appreciate it as I just
▌▐▌got a CD-Rom drive and I am looking forward to start using it for my
▌▐▌board.
 ╘═══════════════════════════════╛

 Call these people. I'm not sure, but they might have some....

 StarWare Publishing Corperation
 Department 263
 P.O. Box 4188
 Deerfield Beach, FL 33442
 Voice: 800-354-5353
 Fax: [phone]
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From: KYLE MACHULIS                          Number: 9921
  To: PHUOC LE                                 Date: 12/21/93  1:11p
Subj: Re: CD-ROM                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

          Phuoc Le wrote 
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█▐▄Recently, I've looked at the Philips double speed drive external for
█▐▄$200 and a Mitsumi double speed internal for $219.  They both have
 ╘═══════════════════════════════╛

 I'd Recommend the Mitsumi.....
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From: KYLE MACHULIS                          Number: 9922
  To: HUGH CRAIG                               Date: 12/21/93  1:18p
Subj: Re: commericial CD Roms?                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

          Hugh Craig wrote 
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▀▐▒Rebel Assault is nice if you enjoy a arcade like game. It is not
▀▐▒like XWING.

 Quite nice little game.. I've seen it.....


▀▐▒Leisure Suit Larry 6 would be Ok. But I thought the game stunk. For
▀▐▒what it costs. Course I was looking for more 'adult' level
▀▐▒entertainment than what the game provided. Funny in places no doubt.
▀▐▒Fair graphix. But its not out on CD yet. I hear it may be after XMAS.
 ╘═══════════════════════════════╛

    Boy is that a bad game.... How the h*ll are you supposted to figure
    out that you have to put a swimsuit toghther with DENTAIL FLOSS!!!!

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From: KYLE MACHULIS                          Number: 9923
  To: TAD KINDELSPIRE                          Date: 12/21/93  1:20p
Subj: Re: DRACULA UNLEASHED                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

          Tad Kindelspire wrote 
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▒░▒Matt I will Talk to you after Christmas.
 ╘═══════════════════════════════╛

 Just repling to your subject line.... I just ordered that game. It's on
 back order right now. Must be pretty popular. You played it yet?
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From: KYLE MACHULIS                          Number: 9924
  To: JENS BOIVIE                              Date: 12/21/93  1:22p
Subj: Re: Faster CDROMS                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

          Jens Boivie wrote 
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▓▐█I am quite interested in the NEC player witch has rom for 6 discs,
▓▐█because I think I am going to be just as tired of changing CD-ROM
▓▐█discs, as of changing my old floppies.
 ╘═══════════════════════════════╛

 The only one I know that is that way is the Panasonic Jukebox, and it's
 around $2000.....
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From: KYLE MACHULIS                          Number: 9925
  To: MATT DELCO                               Date: 12/21/93  1:24p
Subj: Re: Good Shareware Cds                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

          Matt Delco wrote 
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▌▒▄If you know of some good shareware CDs, please let me know.  I'm
▌▒▄mainly looking for CDs with programs that someone would really want to
▌▒▄use, not 600MB of dumb and useless utilities.
 ╘═══════════════════════════════╛

 Night Owl (Can remember the newest version...) Pheniox 4 is nice.....
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From: KYLE MACHULIS                          Number: 9926
  To: HUGH CRAIG                               Date: 12/21/93  1:26p
Subj: Re: Great Games???                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

          Hugh Craig wrote 
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▌▓▒Hav'nt seen KQVI. I've steered away from it cause the idiots at
▌▓▒Sierra made it a DOS-Windows version. I don't do windows. The
▌▓▒box says you will lose some features if you play the DOS version.
▌▓▒But the idiots did not mention what features one would lose.
 ╘═══════════════════════════════╛

 Nothing new on it other than speach ( At least that I know of....)
...   1 gig of RAM, 1 Terrabyte of HD space, a Pentium chip, NO WINDOWS!
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From: KYLE MACHULIS                          Number: 9927
  To: JOHN GRIFFITH                            Date: 12/21/93  1:28p
Subj: Re: help the 7 guest                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

          John Griffith wrote 
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█░▐To anyone i have a 486-33 nec-3xi and a diamond speedstar 24x
█░▐when i play the 7th guest the speech is breaks up.
 ╘═══════════════════════════════╛

 Wouldn't that be a problem with the sound card? I may be wrong, but...
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From: KYLE MACHULIS                          Number: 9928
  To: JASON DEVRIES                            Date: 12/21/93  1:34p
Subj: Re: King Quest 6                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

          Jason Devries wrote 
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█░▄
█░▄Could you please help me out with the fifth gnome... the one that
█░▄looks at you.  I like to figure things out on my own, but this one is
█░▄killing me.  Perhaps you could just point me in the right direction...
█░▄Don't give me the answer, but don't make me lose any hair.  (If that is
█░▄possible)
 ╘═══════════════════════════════╛

It's been about 4 or 5 months since a played the game. Please list you
inventory and then I can help you. BTW, I did finish it...
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From: KYLE MACHULIS                          Number: 9929
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/21/93  1:38p
Subj: Re: mailing list                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

          Tater Schuld wrote 
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▒█▓to all shareware sales distributors:
 ╘═══════════════════════════════╛

 Good idea, Tater......

 Any CD-ROM distribution groups, please ad this address to your mailing list.

 Kyle Machulis
 Rt. 2 Box 3440
 Bartlesville, Ok 74003

 No adult distributors, please (I'm 13. My parents would KILL me if they
 found something like that in the mail)
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From: KYLE MACHULIS                          Number: 9930
  To: JOSEPH ROBERTSON                         Date: 12/21/93  1:40p
Subj: Re: Mitsumi double-spin driv            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

          Joseph Robertson wrote 
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▐░█
▐░█Will the new Mitsumi drive connect to the Mistumi interface on my
▐░█SB16 Multi-CD card?
▐░█
 ╘═══════════════════════════════╛

Should.......
... "What have you done to her?!" "Why, do you think I should?"
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From: KYLE MACHULIS                          Number: 9931
  To: KENNY SCOTT                              Date: 12/21/93  1:50p
Subj: Re: Triple Speed CD-ROM                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

          Kenny Scott wrote 
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▀█▐Does anyone out there have any information on the Triple Speed
▀█▐CD-Roms?
 ╘═══════════════════════════════╛

 All I know is that NEC has put one out.....
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From: KYLE MACHULIS                          Number: 9932
  To: DAVID WHITMAN                            Date: 12/22/93 12:53p
Subj: Re: "video" games                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

          David Whitman wrote 
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▌▄▓I am really impressed by games that include LIVE Video, and digital
▌▄▓sound!!! I want to know of any games that have incorporated video into
▌▄▓their games. Most of the CD's from SegaCD such as Ground Zero Texas
▌▄▓have live video through- out the entire game.  Can anyone tell me of
▌▄▓some great games for IBM-CD? I've heard of Rebel Assault, but don't
▌▄▓know how good this one is.  Anyone?
 ╘═══════════════════════════════╛

 Here are ALL of them I know of that have live video or audio ....
 Dracula Unleashed (Have it)
 7th guest (1 and 2)
 Critical Path
 Myst
 Return to Zork (I think)
 Video Cube
 Sherlock Homes: Consulting Detecive (1 and 2)
 Hell Cab

 Here are just some good games..
 The Journeymasn Project (truely amazing)
 Iron Helix
 Lanwmower Man (Graphics EXACTLY LIKE MOVIE)
 Rebel Assualt
 World of Xeen (over 200 speaking charicters!!)
 Commance Maximum Overkill CD (over 100 missions!)

 Hope this is enough....

 Kyle

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From: KYLE MACHULIS                          Number: 9933
  To: SCOTT STADLER                            Date: 12/22/93  1:06p
Subj: Re: digitized speech                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

          Scott Stadler wrote 
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▀▐▌I have a gateway 2000 66v with a soundblaster pro (8bit) card.  I
▀▐▌cant seem to get it to produce digitized speech what could be the
▀▐▌problem?
 ╘═══════════════════════════════╛

 Hmm.... I'm running the exact same system.... Have an SB16 ASP and mine
 works fine, speach and all. Might be a memory problem....
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From: KYLE MACHULIS                          Number: 9934
  To: CHRIS ZITO                               Date: 12/22/93  1:07p
Subj: Re: DSP 16,Soundwave 32                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

          Chris Zito wrote 
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░▌█What sells for $99.95?
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Look at the subject line. The Soundwave 16, and wave recogintion board....
... Ah a subject near and dear to me...Rush tags, I got LOTS of 'em!!
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From: MAHMUT KURSUN                          Number: 9935
  To: JEFF PATTEN                              Date: 12/22/93  4:16p
Subj: Toshiba XM-4101                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >     Does anyone have this drive yet?  It sounds like a winner, but I'd
 > like an hear some opinions, particularly relative to the 3401.
the 4101 is a 1" heigth Drive. It started shipping here in Germany, but
I think its still to expensive (round 320$ Kit with Future Domain 8Bit SCSI)
 >     300 ms avg access
320 ms is stated in the booklet

Somebody lend me this drive but I dont had enough time to check it out
closer. It should be fast enough anyway.

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From: GARY HUFF                              Number: 9936
  To: MIKE MAZZOLA                             Date: 12/22/93  1:37a
Subj: Re: Panasonic 562/AT Bus interface card  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

MM> I'm having a problem with what I believe to be a Panasonic 562/563b CD
MM> unit I just recieved From Multimedia in San Francisco.  I ordered the
MM> drive and AT bus interface card.  After installing the drivers I get:
MM> 'Warning No SCSI Host adaptors detected' and 'No TSLCD functions in us
MM> Driver aborting.'  Although the drive is suppose to be Panasonic the l
MM> the tray reads CREATIVE SB{Sound Blaster} with nothing idenifing it as
MM> or Panasonic.  The manual says CR-563-B but the only information(?) on
MM> Drive reads MATSUSHITA-KOTOBUKI ELECTRONICS INDUSTRIES LTD. Made in Ja
MM> LMQLS0420.
MM> If the problem is the AT bus card, is there some utility that will ID
MM> Drive and verify the model?

Mike, Panasonic's parent company is Matsushita.  Thus, a Panasonic is a
Matsushita, and vice-versa.  They're the same drive.  The only
difference is the label on the drive.

The Matsushita/Panasonic 562 is not a SCSI drive.  It's a variety of
IDE.  I don't know why you would be getting that SCSI message.  To
install the Panasonic/Matsushita 562, you need to run the INSTALL
program that came with the drive, which creates a drive on C: called
CDROMDRV, and puts the driver software in there.  Next, you need to add
one line to CONFIG.SYS, and one line to AUTOEXEC.BAT.  In the example
below, I've pretty well installed it just like the book says:

Add to CONFIG.SYS:

LASTDRIVE=Z
DEVICE=C:\CDROMDRV\CDMKE43.SYS /D:LASERWAV

Add to AUTOEXEC.BAT:

C:\CDROMDRV\MSCDEX.EXE /S /V /D:LASERWAV /L:x /M:8

The /S option is to SHARE the CD-ROM on a network, so if you don't run
a network, leave it out.  The /L:x is where x: is the drive letter your
system has assigned to your CD-ROM (usually the next available drive
letter), or a higher letter if you wish to assign a higher letter with
the SUBST command.

The above works with the Panasonic adapter card that comes with the
drive.  If you're running it with the SoundBlaster card, the
installation would be the same except the CONFIG.SYS line would be:

DEVICE=C:\CDROMDRV\CDMKE43.SYS /D:LASERWAV /SBP:220/N:1

which tells the device driver that there is a SoundBlaster card at I/O
address 220.  Also, after typing INSTALL <return>, type SB <return> and
follow the instructions for the SB card.  That should get you up and
running.


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From: GARY HUFF                              Number: 9937
  To: BORIS OSADCIW                            Date: 12/22/93  1:40a
Subj: Re: NetMail                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BO> Please feel free to give us a call at 800-243-0517 to work out the
BO> deal on the "Cream Of The Crop II".

Boris, what credit cards do you accept?


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From: JERRY LO                               Number: 9938
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/22/93 12:43a
Subj: CD-ROM                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

         I wuz just wondering if anyone here can tell me a little about the
CD-ROM. Well, you see I am close to purchasing one, yet I'm not sure what kind
is better, and etc. If you have any suggestions, please e-mail me. I would
appreciate it. Thanx.



                                       -=Taboo=-

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From: WILLIAM WRIGHT                         Number: 9939
  To: RICKY BOOTH                              Date: 12/22/93  8:09p
Subj: Mitsumi double-spin driv                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > That is what a cache and a buffer do. They hold the data in
 > memory or disk space, then use it. It makes things run faster.
 > They are the same thing.

A cache is a holding place for data already used. Buffers are a place where
data not needed, but might be needed, is stored.


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From: LESLIE RHORER                          Number: 9940
  To: DICK CRAVENS                             Date: 12/22/93  6:40a
Subj: Re: CD ROM INFO                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 DC> Hey, Leslie, whatever. No offense, but I honestly don't have time to
 DC> waste on the closeminded.

        I am far from closed minded.  In fact, I am the first to welcome
innovation and improvement.  I criticised IBM and Intel HEAVILY for not
providing a 32 bit wide data structure in 1980, and hailed as the ridiculous
nonsense it was the 1024K limit, the edge triggered interrupts, the top of
memory BIOS and top-down code loading, the non-reentrancy of DOS, and the 32Meg
hard drive limit, all in that same year.  I only know of a handful of people
who agreed with me, or even cared.  Instead, everybody believed Bill "640K out
to be enough for anybody" Gates.  Windows and the GUI in general are a far, FAR
worse mistake, truly bad as those were.  It is also even more easily avoidable.
        All you need to change my mind is evidence: evidence of a single
significant case where a GUI takes fewer cycles than a CLI or Text Mode
Interface, evidence of a single case where the GUI can put more text and more
readable text on the screen than a TMI (fewer than 4000 character per screen is
unacceptable, as is fewer than 100 lines/second scrolling), or where the
hundreds of billions of available command line options can be packed into any
reasonable GUI with instantaneous access to all of them (mandatory multiple
menus are not acceptable).

 DC> Have fun living in the past, but try not to criticize those willing to

        I live in the present and the future, which is the problem.  I cannot
afford to be hampered by the silly GUI today, and as my computing needs do
nothing but increase, I SURELY can't afford to be hampered by it tomorrow.
Today it costs me thousands, tomorrow tens or hundreds of thousands.  One of
the very BIG reasons that I reject the GUI is that it hampers work badly, and
offers nothing in return, except for the rank amateur.  Neither I nor my people
are rank amateurs.

 DC> work for improvements, even if progress is slow.

        Since the GUI represents not a single improvement, with the exception
of being pretty (and I *MEAN* not one: you are welcome to attempt to come up
with an example of something that a well written CLI or text mode interface
cannot handle more effectively, more easily, and more flexibly, but I shouldn't
waste my time, if I were you.  Nonetheless, the challenge stands), and
represents a HUGE step BACKWARDS, I fail to see your point.  If you really
insist, I can give you a REAL example of a half dozen tasks that I can complete
at a decent command line (*NOT COMMAND.COM!*) in a few dozen keystrokes,
requiring only a few minutes or so for the computer to finish, but that would
take hours from the GUI, with an excellent chance of many, many mistakes.
There is not a single task, and I mean *NONE*, that is not slower under a GUI
than under a text mode interface.  There is not one function of the GUI that is
not trivial to implement under a CLI or a TMI.  Even so, there are few features
offered under any current GUI that I really care to implement in the first
place.  Most are silly bells and whistles that would be OK if they were
perfectly free, but are definitely not worth the HUGE hit in performance, the
extra memory, or the hard drive space.

                                                        Les

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From: JOHN ULLMER                            Number: 9941
  To: DAVID WHITMAN                            Date: 12/21/93 11:15a
Subj: Re: "video" games                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting David Whitman to All <=-

 DW> I am really impressed by games that include LIVE Video, and
 DW> digital sound!!! I want to know of any games that have
 DW> incorporated video into their games. Most of the CD's from
 DW> SegaCD such as Ground Zero Texas have live video through-
 DW> out the entire game.  Can anyone tell me of some great
 DW> games for IBM-CD? I've heard of Rebel Assault, but don't
 DW> know how good this one is.  Anyone?



 DW> ... Drop your carrier ... we have you surrounded! ___ Blue Wave/QWK
 DW> v2.12

 DW> -!- TosScan 1.00
 DW>  ! Origin: Knight Moves BBS - Rochester,NY *USA* (1:2613/313)


  From Sierra On-Line Inc., you might want to check out Lost in Time.
  Phantasmagoria is another, but not on the market yet; the entire story will
  be on film; ready in June 1994.




... I call things as I see them; If I didn't see them, I make them up!
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12

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From: JOHN ULLMER                            Number: 9942
  To: JASON DADSWELL                           Date: 12/21/93 12:04p
Subj: Re: Groliers Encyclopedi                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting Jason Dadswell to Christoph Steinecke <=-

 CS>  Bill Gates, 1981
 CS>                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 CS>                        Did he really said that, or is this a joke ?

 JD> That tagline came with my mail reader, and I wasn't paying attention
 JD> to Wacky Bill in '81.  BUT dos is still around, isn't it?  Vive OS/2.

 JD> ___
 JD> X KWQ/2 1.2b X If at first you don't succeed, put out
 JD> another version (KWQ 1.2).

 JD> -!- Maximus/2 2.01wb
 JD>  ! Origin: Sound Stage BBS - Live Via Satellite - 604/944-6476
 JD> (1:153/7070)



And don't forget, he's got more money than all the people on this message base
put together.  And he's making more.  And DOS has a new version every two
weeks; MS makes rabbits look like sexual retards.

And maybe he didn't say "There's one born every minute", but he lives by it.



... This tagline is SHAREWARE!  To register, send me $10
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12

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From: JOHN ULLMER                            Number: 9943
  To: DANIEL PRINCE                            Date: 12/22/93  3:20p
Subj: Re: 7th Guest with Sony                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting Daniel Prince to All <=-

 DP> My brother can't get 7th Guest to run on his system which has a
 DP> Sony single speed proprietary CDROM drive.  I think I have seen a
 DP> message from someone else that couldn't get it to run on a
 DP> proprietary Sony SS CDROM.

 DP> Has anyone else tried to run 7th Guest on one of these Sony
 DP> drives?  What were the results?  Did you get past the
 DP> introduction?  Thank you in advance for all replies.

 DP> ... To a cat, mackerel IS gourmet!
 DP> -!- Blue Wave/Max v2.12
 DP>  ! Origin: Long_Island RB [phone] VAX EC (HST 16.8K/V32b)
 DP> (1:102/138.0)

 There's all kindsa problems suggested by your short message.  On the "7th G."
 box there is a long list of "requirements" to run the program: Conform to
 MPC1 standards (multi-spin); 2 megs of RAM, 16 bit SVGA card, 570K of free
 CONVENTIONAL memory [box says 512K, that's incorrect], 150K transfer rate
 minimum, MSCDEX version 2.2 or better, DOS 5.0 or better.  Also need a mouse
 and a sound card w/ FM and PCM sound.

And if you think getting "7th G" to run is a lotta fun, then try "Return to
Zork which wants 600K of free CONVENTIONAL RAM.

WARNING TO ALL:  Don't think that because there's a CD ROM game in a box at
Best Buy, that it's gonna run on the CD ROM reader you
've got at home.  Check the box CAREFULLY for minimal configuration
requirements.




... Open mouth, insert foot, echo internationally.
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From: RICK NAY                               Number: 9944
  To: STEAN SNYMAN                             Date: 12/19/93 12:00a
Subj: Re: 7th guest 100%                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

MSGID: 1:3619/25 2d145e61
PID: CNet XFIDO 2.63 Well I was using a program called fastbios which copies
all bios calls into memory..but i do that now..and not only that but people
with the trident  board are getting 42%..and the et-4000 is 3 times faster
under dos than the trident..42% just seems to be what everyone is getting
whether on a 486 or 386..and faster cpu's do increase video performance..I just
think that the program is a joke..
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From: DAVE WONG                              Number: 9945
  To: JAMES PARKER                             Date: 12/20/93 10:48a
Subj: What to buy..                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Interested in Games, Well I have brand new CDs for you, How about Return to
Zork, retail $50.00, me $35.00. Have kids? how about Mixed up Mother Goose,
retail $45.00, me $20.00 others availible, leave me e-mail if interested.



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From: DAVE WONG                              Number: 9946
  To: STEAN SNYMAN                             Date: 12/21/93  4:53p
Subj: Return to zork cd 4 sale                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Say Sean, are you finished with RTZ yet? I'm on my last leg and can't get past
the Citital Bridge, have dumped all inventory but still don't work, i know have
211 points, 19 more to go, if you can help, please reply other wise maybe i can
help you.



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From: PATRICK MCCORMICK                      Number: 9947
  To: JOE RINEHART                             Date: 12/22/93  3:55p
Subj: Order                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Just a note to let you know that the check was sent out Express 20 Dec,
you should get it by the 23rd.
Please let me know when you ship..
If you can return them by Federal Express..
THANKS..
Patrick..

... Blue Wave - World Tour - 1993
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From: BOB BREED                              Number: 9948
  To: ARNIE GROSS                              Date: 12/21/93  1:40p
Subj: REVISITED                               Refer: NONE
Read: NO                                    Private: No

 AG> I can't duplicate the mouse problem.  It must be your
 AG> hardware/software  combination.  I'm using a Logitech C7 mouse, with a
 AG> version 6.2 driver.

    Doesn't surprise me! I think it's a combination of the LA
Smog and my Mother board. (We blame everything on the LA Smog!!)
    When you say v6. driver -- who's driver? Microsoft or
Logitech?


... "Tell me, Deanna, do you ever..ah..experiment"purred the naked Beverly
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12

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From: BOB BREED                              Number: 9949
  To: BOBBY POSEY                              Date: 12/21/93  1:40p
Subj: MOVIE CD REQUEST                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 BP> Have you checked out Cenemania 1 and 2 yet??

 BP> If you happen to find a CD with an extensive database that will work
 BP> in Dos  let me know.   I am a movie buff as well and have over 2,000 of
 BP> my own. If you would like to contact me if you have access to netmail
 BP> you can send  netmail to 1:388/20 ...

    Haven't mastered net mail yet. I was hoping to find some kind
soul who HAS a CD that would pass my tests. I don't think many DB
types that are on disk are going to have the room -- but CD
would. Ah Well, I'll keep hopin'


... My name is Bob, and I'm a postaholic.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12

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From: BOB BREED                              Number: 9950
  To: MERRICK BROWN                            Date: 12/21/93  1:40p
Subj: MOVIE CD REQUEST                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 BB>     I'm looking to buy one REALLY Definitive CD disk that covers
 BB> movies in depth. I have several 'data base' style programs, but
 BB> they all fail my depth test.
 BB>     The test is simple, and is met by my printed copy of
 BB> Halliwells' Film Guide 7th edition. (A British film writer with
 BB> an excellent eye for detail.)
 MB> I saw one in a magazine review called 'pass the popcorn' it has over
 MB> 19,000  video capsules and descriptions as well as a bunch of reviews.

    On CD?? About how much was it -- if you still have the
review. (19,000 reviews SOUNDS like a lot, until you read about
some of the movie search companies that claim they have records
of over 43,000 movies!!!) That's what I'm lookin for.


... If love is blind, why is lingerie so thin?
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12


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From: LAWRENCE MINTZ                         Number: 9951
  To: DAVID KENNEDY                            Date: 12/19/93  8:59a
Subj: mitsumi cd-rom and os/2                 Refer: NONE
Read: NO                                    Private: No

 > I have a cheep mitsumi cd-rom and nead a driver to get
 > os/2 to use it.  I've looked evrywhare for it and
 > can't find it.  If anyone out ther has it can you tell
 > me where to get it.
 > Thanks.

The current IBM OS/2 driver for ALL Mitsumi CD-ROMS is called MITFX.ZIP and can
be found on IBM's OS/2 BBS as well as on commercial services such as GEnie,
BIX, CompuServe, etc.  It may also be found on local BBSes in your area.  Be
aware that there are several versions of the file floating around.  Only the
final version supports the LU002S.  All previous versions do not but IBM didn't
change the name when they created the latest version.

Larry

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From: JEREMY JOHNSON                         Number: 9952
  To: MICHAEL MURPHY                           Date: 12/13/93  3:13p
Subj: Night Owl 10 and Windows                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

MM>I've had this problem myself.  Just click on the catagory right above
MM>it and  you will have what you want.  Or, better yet, just use your
MM>cursor keys.  I prefer the Windows version because of the graphics,
MM>and no, it doesn't make it unusable.
MM>Michael

I like the windows version too, but the 1st and last areas are still
unusable.  I can just use the dos night program, but I was just
wondering if maybe there was a new version that fixed that bug.

- Jeremy
12/13/93, 15:13

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From: MARSHALL FREEDLAND                     Number: 9953
  To: MIKE SHUMKO                              Date: 12/21/93  4:39p
Subj: Nec-38 Multispin                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Mike Shumko defrosted his (partially) defrosted his fingers to write...

MS> I have a NEC CDR-83M drive. How can I tell that it's really the
MS> "M" model with multi-spin, or double-speed, or whatever it's
MS> called? Does the version number of the firmware reported by
MS> the SCSITEST utility mean anything? /Mike

I think that your fingers got crossed there, Mike.  Maybe it was due to
the ice on your hands not being totally thawed out before you started to
type, but whatever... I think you meant that you have the NEC-38 (not 83).

If so, I have one also and right there on the top it says: "MultiSpin
CD-ROM/READER.  Also there are two LED's.  One is the power LED which is
always green; the other is either Green for Multi-spin or Red for Normal.
Other than that, I can't tell you much more.  How do you like it, BTW?

--/\/\arshall in /\/\ia/\/\i--

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From: MARSHALL FREEDLAND                     Number: 9954
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/21/93  4:39p
Subj: Amiga And Nec-38 Multi                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I know that there are probably not many fellow Amigazoids on the echo, but
just in case... I just won an NEC-38 MultiSpin and have it connected to my
Amiga 3000, daisy-chained from my external Syquest (ain't SCSI just
grand?!).  There are a few problems that I've run into and I am wonder if
anyone else with this or a similar configuration can offer some advice.
Mostly, I get some checksum error messages when I try to open a file on a
partition on one of the two hard drives I have inside my A3000.  When the
NEC is not connected, there are no errors. In fact, I ran a test, a check
of the whole drive with a SCSI tester and it found nary an error. Not one.
But that was with the NEC disconnected and the terminator block on the
Syquest.

But when it's connected, I get a slew of errors.  The NEC runs fine
(it's on now as I am typing this, playing some classic Jazz), but I'd like
to get rid of the checksum error problem.  It was suggested that I get a
new Proto SCSI chip and it's on its way now.  In the meantime, someone
else suggested that I get a second, GVP SCSI II controller card.  I'd
rather opt for the chip because it's cheaper.  If anyone has any input,
I'd like to hear from you.

--/\/\arshall in /\/\ia/\/\i--

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From: MICHAEL HILL                           Number: 9955
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/21/93  5:08p
Subj: File descriptions for CD's              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Does anyone know if there is a Files.BBS or description file for these two
CDROM disks. Any information at all would help.

    CD Name           Volume #         Publisher
    -------           --------         ---------
1.  Therapy Data      Volume 3         CBCD Publishing

2.  Erotic Encounters Adult Gif Disk


MICHAEL HILL


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From: VINCE SORENSEN                         Number: 9956
  To: MICHAEL COX                              Date: 12/20/93 11:17p
Subj: Canadian Distributor                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> How about a Catalog Vince?

   My pleasure!
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From: RICK PEDLEY                            Number: 9957
  To: SCOTT GILLIES                            Date: 12/21/93 12:51p
Subj: Rebel assault...                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

SG>Hey! Does anyone know of any cheats out yet for Rebel Assault? An
SG>invulnerability mode would be nice for this!

Use the Force, Scott!

:)

Rick

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From: HERMAN WIGGINS                         Number: 9958
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/22/93 10:08a
Subj: Monster Media                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello All!

Has anyone ever heard of a BBS ready Cd-rom called Monster Media..if so
I would like to get a copy of it...I am using Wildcat BBS therefore it
must be have files.bbs thanks for any help anyone maybe able to give me
on this CD...

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From: RICK NAY                               Number: 9959
  To: DANIEL PRINCE                            Date: 12/22/93 12:08p
Subj: Re: 7th Guest with Sony SS proprietary CDROM  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I had the Cdu31a and ran 7th guest just fine..Now I have the cdu31a-03 which is
a double speed and 7th guest runs fine..Make sure that you set the buffers to
20..that is in the autoexec.bat file for the mscdex cd-rom extensions..

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From: STEVEN CASTELLOTTI                     Number: 9960
  To: HUGH CRAIG                               Date: 12/21/93 11:41p
Subj: CATACOMBS                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

        ...does anyone know how to defeat the Minotaur in the sencond level of
the catacombs? I know that you have to show him somthing red, like the scarf
or someting, but I don't konw how to 'see if he was coming' I know that you
play bull fighter and make him ram his head into the wall, but I need somthing
else...and what do I do in the room with the tapestry?

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From: WILLIAM WRIGHT                         Number: 9961
  To: BRICE FLECKENSTEIN                       Date: 12/22/93  1:10p
Subj: CD-ROM STORE???                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  You would have a very small probability that the tracks would
 > end up too close
 > together to be read on part or all of that disc by a drive that
 > just barely
 > meets the Mode 2 specifications.

Uhh well, my thing says 630 typically. What does THIS mean? I mean, does it
sometimes expand because it gets too hot and it accidently reads more or what?


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From: WILLIAM WRIGHT                         Number: 9962
  To: RICKY BOOTH                              Date: 12/22/93  1:12p
Subj: Mitsumi double-spin driv                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > What do you think the "buffer" IS? IT'S HARDWARE CACHE ON THE
 > CD! That is what a buffer is!

Not really. Its a temporary holding place for the data. In fact, read the
article about CD-ROMS in the November issue of Computer Shopper. It tells the
difference.


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From: WILLIAM WRIGHT                         Number: 9963
  To: RICKY BOOTH                              Date: 12/22/93 12:20p
Subj: Mitsumi double-spin driv                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

RB>BUST rate. Not BURST rate.

I think that was a typo of his. In the computer shopper it says Burst rate.


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From: WILLIAM WRIGHT                         Number: 9964
  To: RICKY BOOTH                              Date: 12/22/93  1:38p
Subj: seventh Guest                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

RB>I've been thinking of getting this! Is it good? Is it fun?
RB>What's it like?

I've played disk version. Its pretty dumb. Too hard to do. Its like that one
dungeon game you have, but harder.


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From: RICKY BOOTH                            Number: 9965
  To: WILLIAM WRIGHT                           Date: 12/22/93  3:23p
Subj: Mitsumi double-spin driv                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Not really. Its a temporary holding place for the data. In fact,
 > read the article about CD-ROMS in the November issue of Computer
 > Shopper. It tells the difference.

That is what a cache and a buffer do. They hold the data in memory or disk
space, then use it. It makes things run faster. They are the same thing.


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From: EDWIN GRAVES                           Number: 9966
  To: JOE RINEHART                             Date: 12/15/93  5:17p
Subj: CDLIST                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi, Joe....could you please send me a copy of your CDLIST?
   Can't FREQ, but if you can send it US Mail...I would appreciate it.

   Edwin Graves
   P.O. Box 591
   Grapevine, TX  76099-0591



... "BEERWARE": If it works right the 1st time, buy yourself a beer!

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From: JOHN ROBINSON                          Number: 9967
  To: BENJAMIN ORTIZ                           Date: 12/15/93  2:03p
Subj: Re: Virus                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello There Benjamin!

In a message to John Robinson <12/14/93> Benjamin Ortiz wrote:

BO>  JR> I'd like to know the answer to that one myself..Hmmmm, Suppose perha
BO>  JR> a person should "avoid" the name "software creations"..??

BO> Do you honestly think that a childish move like boycotting that particula
BO> name is going to make things any better?  I doubt it...

Not going to make it any worse.. They should "clean it up"....

BO> If you ain't gonna use the infected program, then don't worry about it!

By "avoiding" it, I, as well as others are doing just that.!

BO> It's just like sayin, '...if Rush or Howard Stern ain't your cup of tea,
BO> DON'T WATCH...'

No audience, NO PROGRAM......

BO> I'm surprised the human race hasn't learned this yet...

Yeah, So am I....

BO> Thank God I'm above that sort of nonsense...

You are..????

John

P.S.. I heard Rudolph has a "virus"

 * WCE 1.10/2035 * 90% of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at.

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From: MAX HILL                               Number: 9968
  To: JIM AIKEY                                Date: 12/15/93  8:22a
Subj: MITSUMI CD                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Jim ;
If you ever figure out how to do this ,I would really be interested in
the Docs.
I'll do some checking with the Mitsumi GURU's and see what they know.
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From: JEFF WEISS @ 910/528                   Number: 9969
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/15/93 11:58p
Subj: *~Custom CD-ROMs                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

We put YOUR DATA on a writable CD-ROM.
                               ------

We will transfer up to 650 megabytes of data from your tape/removable
media to one CD-ROM.

 o     FULL CONFIDENTIALITY is assured - we don't inspect your data.
 o     Quick turn around time is provided - same day service available.
 o     Data integrity is guaranteed - 30 day money back warranty.
 o     Guaranteed to work on any standard CD-ROM drive.

 - Free up space on expensive magnetic media.
 - Archive your software collection.
 - Consolidate shareware/GIF CDs to eliminate dupes/old versions.
 - Make copies for your friends.
 - Software development alternative to "glass master"
   - Save hundreds of $$$,
   - Eliminate days of delay.

SysOps get a $25 discount.

CALL for a FREE writable CD-ROM primer.

           Eternal ARCHIVE Solutions, Inc.
                650 Cooke Street, #3
                    P.O. Box 4402
              Waterbury, CT 06704-0402
                 [phone] voice
                 [phone]  fax

... The tagline from our lawyers:
Customer is responsible for compliance with all licenses, laws, and
  regulations regarding his software or data.  EASI shall not be held
  liable for customer's failure to comply with these requirements.

... CD-ROMs Made EASI (sm)


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From: JEFF WEISS @ 910/528                   Number: 9970
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/16/93 12:03a
Subj: *~Recordable CD-ROMs                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

We now have the following writable CDs for sale.

CD-R Discs:

  Ricoh 74 min (660 MB) CD-R discs $19.75 each (any quantity)

CD-ROM Recorders:
       ---------
  Philips CD-ROM RECORDER                              $5,495
    - Philips CDD521 Double Speed CD-ROM Recorder
    - Adaptec 1540c SCSI Controller
    - CD-GEN Premastering Software >now does Multi-Session<

  Ricoh CD-ROM RECORDER                                $3,895
    - Ricoh RS 9200CD Single Speed CD-ROM Recorder
    - SCSI Controller
    - CD Record Software 2.0

These recorders are ideal for archiving, and mass data storage.
The blank 650 meg CD-Rs are much cheaper than any other removable
media.  Also, the CD-ROM readers are much cheaper than any Bernoulli,
Syquest, or WORM drive.  They're even cheaper than SCSI tape drives.

If you want to transfer data to CD-ROM but don't want to purchase
a CD-ROM recorder at this time, we are pleased to offer you our
DATA CONVERSION SERVICES.  We will transfer your data to CD-ROM for you.

Call for a FREE writable CD-ROM primer.

           Eternal ARCHIVE Solutions, Inc.
                650 Cooke Street, #3
                    P.O. Box 4402
              Waterbury, CT 06704-0402
                 [phone] voice
                 [phone]  fax

A $4.95 handling charge is added to all orders, no matter how large.
Only the actual shipping charges are billed to your order.
Connecticut residents add 6% sales tax.

... CD-ROMs Made EASI (sm)


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From: JEFF WEISS @ 910/528                   Number: 9971
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/16/93 12:41a
Subj: *~ Mitsumi 2X CD $229                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Mitsumi FX001D double-speed internal CD-ROM  ---  $229
  300 - 350 KBPS sustained throughput
  280 - 250 ms average access time
  AT bus interface card included
  All necessary signal and audio cables included
  All necessary install software and manuals included
  caddyless front loading tray (takes 3" CDs as well)
  headphone jack with volume control

1 year warranty.

           Eternal ARCHIVE Solutions, Inc.
                650 Cooke Street, #3
                    P.O. Box 4402
              Waterbury, CT 06704-0402
                 [phone] voice
                 [phone]  fax

... CD-ROMs Made EASI (sm)
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From: MIKE HOFFERT                           Number: 9972
  To: AL KOLLER                                Date: 12/15/93 11:00a
Subj: Christmas stuff!?                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

AK>1.  Pioneer 6-disk changer, DRM-600, with 6-disk caddy and drivers, $650
AK> including shipping.

I am interested.  I need to hang a CD on a Novell Network. Can't find
reliabe software to do it without using a PC for a CD server. Any
suggestions?

Mike Hoffert

 * OLX 2.2 * Old MacDonald had a computer with an EIA I/O.
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From: ART BATES                              Number: 9973
  To: WEE YUNG                                 Date: 12/15/93  6:19p
Subj: Re: Advice                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting Wee Yung to Tony Lee <=-

 TL>Does anyone own a Toshiba XM-3401B drive?  I'm planning to buy one later
 TL>this year and want some input from current users.  The reasons for
 TL>selecting this drive was its performance.  But in the Nov. issue of PC
 TL>World, there is an article about a new NEC triple speed drive.  The
 TL>Toshiba was the fastest drive up until the new NEC.  I don't know if I
 TL>should spend the extra money for the NEC.

 WY> The Toshiba is meet all the MPC requirement but the NEC will meet any
 WY> future requirement. If you have the money then NEC is good choice.
 WY> But if money is subject then you can not go wrong with Toshiba.

I am also condsidering buying the Toshiba and I am weighing the XM-3401B
over the new 3X NEC's..Can you be more specific here? It was my
understanding that the Toshiba can also be upgraded to meet future
standards via a firmware upgrade..what do you mean when you say NEC will
meet any future requirement?

... Internet mail address: [e-mail]
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From: ART BATES                              Number: 9974
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/15/93  6:31p
Subj: Black Toshiba                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Everyone..
I'm looking for A Black internal Toshiba CDROM to match my black
tower..I know they're out there, but there is no way in hell I'm paying
an extra $100 just because the color is different. Does anyone know a
dealer on the nets that sells these? Don't waste your time writing a
message saying look in computer shopper because the one and only place
I've seen them was a dealer called Friday's in computer shopper..they
wanted $450! ( Yes they come from Toshiba in this color, yes I've tried
to get in contact with Toshiba direct, and no, I won't buy a can of
spray paint and do it myself)

... Internet mail address: [e-mail]
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From: RICK PEDLEY                            Number: 9975
  To: JAMES SUMMERS                            Date: 12/22/93 10:54p
Subj: Creative labs edutainment               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JS>Hello-

JS>I was thinking about the purchase of a Creative LAbs Edutaiment 16
JS>cd-rom kit.  Does anyone have this or any otherr "16" kits from
JS>creative labs?  I just wanted some true user feedback.  It
JS>would be helpful to say how  the product works and runs on a
JS>486dx50 machine.

The CDROM drive that Creative Labs sells is (to my knowledge) a Panasonic 562
with a different label on it, and I've seen it listed separately for almost
$100 more than the Panasonic drive. This alone would make me look at what's in
the kit very closely and see if I couldn't get those same parts separately and
at more competitive prices (minus the stuff I didn't really need or want
anyway). What else is in this kit?

Rick

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From: RICK PEDLEY                            Number: 9976
  To: SHAWN ADAMSSON                           Date: 12/22/93 10:54p
Subj: Sb16 & panasonic 562                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

SA>I purchased a Panasonic 562 Doublespeed CD-ROM last week and am having
SA>problems getting it to work properly.

SA>I have a Sound Blaster 16 and have so far been unsucessful getting the
SA>CD to work off the interface on the card (the BASIC model is supposed to
SA>support the Panasonic as far as I can tell - manual stinks in this
SA>regard).  The drivers cannot detect the drive - I have tried a set of
SA>drivers from Creative Labs BBS and the drivers that came with the drive
SA>- no luck.  Anybody else go through this and can offer some advice?

Mine didn't work at first either. Here is the line from my CONFIG.SYS file:

DEVICE=C:\CDROM\CDMKE43.SYS /D:CDROM1 /SBP:220 /N:1 /S

The switch I was missing (and is not documented anywhere) is the /SBP:220
switch. I have an SB 16 ASP, but try it with your card anyway, it might just
work. The `220' refers the card's port address, so substitute your own here.
I'm 95% certain that's what your problem is. BTW, 4.3 is the latest version of
that particular driver; I have the driver from Creative Labs but ended up using
this one instead.

Rick

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From: ARNIE GROSS                            Number: 9977
  To: TIM HELTON                               Date: 12/22/93 10:05a
Subj: Holiday wishes                          Refer: NONE
Read: 12/24/93  5:19p                       Private: No

Tim -

To you and Bob Hall, and to all of the readers of this echo,

may I take a moment to wish everyone:

       a prosperous, healthy, and happy holiday!

                                                  - Arnie :+}

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From: ARNIE GROSS                            Number: 9978
  To: NORBERT PIRZKAL                          Date: 12/22/93 10:11a
Subj: Card for Panasonic CDR                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Norbert -

   NP> I am looking for... panasonic cd rom adapter cards.
   NP> If anyone reading this sells them or has any information

DPC (a wholesaler in New York) carries these cards.

(718-969-6827) Ask for "Lucy" - tell her you're one
of my customers ("Country Fair Software").

I believe the card is about $10.

                                        - Arnie :+}


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From: BRIAN KELLER                           Number: 9979
  To: BENNY CHAN                               Date: 12/22/93  9:34p
Subj: MORTAL KOMBAT PC                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

The Maxiom overkill boot disk is for a game and it makes it run super fast but
only on the pit for some reason when it starts up it said
[1165099] largest somthing thats where the speed comes from i think
the relese in the store has realy good sound thats what i heard if
you like hockey check out NHL 94 its awsome also theres a 4 botton
controler like a snes one for the computer calles gravis.
bye.

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From: BRIAN KELLER                           Number: 9980
  To: JOSHUA FULLER                            Date: 12/22/93  9:38p
Subj: MORTAL KOMBAT PC                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I got a demo type version from a friend but its not as good as the
ones in the stores or the ones that will be coming out by the time
you read this. I have seen ads for a new commanche add on
disk and it looks cool saw it in electronic game review and cd rom
entertainment. talk to you later bye.

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From: JOE SITKO                              Number: 9981
  To: RICK NAY                                 Date: 12/21/93  9:11a
Subj: Re: 7Th Guest & SVGA ques               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Quoting Rick Nay to Joe Sitko concerning Re: 7Th Guest & SVGA ques:
 ╒═══════════════════════════════╕
▄▀▄If your monitor is capable of 640X480 then you should have no problem runn
▄▀▄7th guest with a svga card..with 512k memory on the video board..Go with a
▄▀▄meg min video board and if you are going to be using dos most of the time
▄▀▄with the et-4000 based video board..also make sure it can display atleast
▄▀▄65,000 colors to meet the mpc2 spec..You can usually pick up a SVGA et-400
▄▀▄with 1 meg and 16.8 million colors for about $90.00..If your going to be u
▄▀▄windows I would not recommend the et-4000 as it is a dos accelertor and no
▄▀▄windows accelerator..any more questions just let me know..
 ╘═══════════════════════════════╛

Thanks for the info, Rick.  I DO use exclusively DOS for right now.
Maybe somday in the future, when I get a bigger hard drive, I might
consider getting Windows.

My monitor IS capable of doing 640 x 480, so I guess I'll be OKAY.

I've found a guy who is selling a used Trident SVGA card with 1 meg of
memory for $40 delivered.  The best price I could find in Computer
Shopper for this board was $54 plus shipping, so I think I got a fairly
good deal.

I guess its just a matter of popping out the old card, and putting in
the new, isn't it?  Are there any drivers that I have to load or any
jumpers I need to set, either on the card or with my bios, or does the
card automatically configure itself for the type of monitor you connect?
Forgive my ignorance but I know very little about video.

Thanks again for the assistance!!!!!!!!!!!
          Written by Joe Sitko on Tuesday, December 21 at 09:09:38
... If screwups were dollars, I'd be a millionaire!!
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From: JOE SITKO                              Number: 9982
  To: DAVID BARRETT                            Date: 12/21/93 10:23a
Subj: cheap imitations                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Quoting Matt Talaga to All concerning cheap imitations:
 ╒═══════════════════════════════╕
█▓▒This message was from DAVID BARRETT to ALL,
█▓▒originally in conference TRISOUND
█▓▒and was forwarded to you by MATT TALAGA.
█▓▒                    -------------------------
█▓▒I've been wanting a sound card for quite some time, and I've noticed that
█▓▒industry stantard has reverted to "100% Sound Blaster Compatible!".  Do th
█▓▒imitation boards, which are around half the price of Sound Blaster, have t
█▓▒same abilities, and are they really 100% compatible?  I'm not asking for
█▓▒specifics, but on the average.  Also, I'm in the market for a cheap sound
█▓▒with speakers.  Thanks.
█▓▒David :)
 ╘═══════════════════════════════╛

David,

I bought a Sound Galaxy NX Pro, here on the nets, about 5 months ago,
and thus far I have had no compatibility problems with it.  It IS EXACTLY
like the Soundblaster Pro.  This card is available for about $100 and
comes with software and speakers.

Just my experience, nothing else................
          Written by Joe Sitko on Tuesday, December 21 at 10:22:40
... Could you please be a bit less specific?
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From: JOE SITKO                              Number: 9983
  To: RON HAMMER                               Date: 12/22/93  9:05a
Subj: 7Th Guest & SVGA question               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Quoting Ron Hammer to Joe Sitko concerning 7Th Guest & SVGA question:
 ╒═══════════════════════════════╕
▒█▀JS> I just bought a used copy of 7th Guest on CD.  I didn't
▒█▀JS> time I bought it, that it needs SVGA to run.  My question
▒█▀JS> just go out and buy a SVGA card to replace my VGA card, and
▒█▀JS> monitor (VGA) still work, or do I need to go out and get a
▒█▀Well I had the same problem. And yes you can just get the SVGA Card. You w
▒█▀have to choice MCGA graphic choice. If you can afford it buy the Monitor a
 ╘═══════════════════════════════╛

Ron,

What I've found out from some other people is that I'll be able to run
it under SVGA, but my resolution will only be as good as my monitor can
handle, which is VGA.  So it won't be any worse than what I'm used to!

Thanks.............
          Written by Joe Sitko on Wednesday, December 22 at 09:04:32
... I helped Lick Bush in '92, left a bad taste in my mouth!!
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From: JOE SITKO                              Number: 9984
  To: DAVID WHITMAN                            Date: 12/22/93  9:10a
Subj: Re: 7th guest & svga ques               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Quoting David Whitman to Joe Sitko concerning Re: 7th guest & svga ques:
 ╒═══════════════════════════════╕
▒▓▒ -=> Quoting message from Joe to All on 12-1793  09:17 <=-
▒▓▒
▒▓▒ JS> I just bought a used copy of 7th Guest on CD.  I didn't realize it at
▒▓▒ JS> the time I bought it, that it needs SVGA to run.  My question is," Ca
▒▓▒
▒▓▒I don't know about what type of hardware to buy, although I know you can p
▒▓▒the 7th Guest in standard VGA mode (I believe 320x200x256), although it's
▒▓▒said it's not great, but better than nothing.

   What I ended up buying, at the advice of a computer nerd friend, was
   a Trident SVGA card with 1 meg of memory.  It sells new for about $55
   from any number of dealers in the computer shopper, but I was able to
   get a used one for $40 delivered.  Not a bad deal!

▒▓▒
▒▓▒Oh, and a SVGA card will work with a VGA monitor, but only your monitors M
▒▓▒resolution will come through.  Example:  SVGA card has 1024x768, and you
▒▓▒monitor 640x480.  You still will only be able to view 640x480, but you won
▒▓▒get "this requires SVGA".

   Thanks, this is what several others have told me also.  But what no
   one HAS answered is, "Do I need to make any hardware setting changes,
   like jumpers, or installing drivers, or changing something in my
   bios, OR, do I just pop in the new card and watch it run?

   Any ideas?

 ╘═══════════════════════════════╛

Thanks for the reply..........
          Written by Joe Sitko on Wednesday, December 22 at 09:09:12
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From: JOE SITKO                              Number: 9985
  To: DAVID TYREE                              Date: 12/22/93 10:31a
Subj: SONY CDU535                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Quoting David Tyree to All concerning SONY CDU535:
 ╒═══════════════════════════════╕
▌▄█  I am using a 486sx-33 with 4Meg if that makes any difference
▌▄█  to the situation.
▌▄█  The paperwork that came with the CD ROM says that it uses a
▌▄█  "CDB-240 series Sony Bus Interface Card".
▌▄█  Does anyone know where I can get one of these boards or a
▌▄█  suitable substitute?
 ╘═══════════════════════════════╛

David,

There are several soundcards that can also be used in place of CD-rom
controller cards.  One that I know of that also includes a Cd rom
interface is the Sound Galaxy NX Pro.  I know that it has the interfaces
because I have one that I use to control a Mitsumi CD rom, but it also
will work on Sony drives, which ones, I'm not 100% sure.   Creative labs
also has at least one Soundblaster card that'll also do the same.

Hope this helps.................
          Written by Joe Sitko on Wednesday, December 22 at 10:30:42
... Fight Crime...!  SHOOT BACK...!
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From: TOM GIBBS                              Number: 9986
  To: JC-QWK                                   Date: 12/21/93  2:36a
Subj: Drop                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

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From: SEAN SINICO                            Number: 9987
  To: DAVID REMER                              Date: 12/22/93 11:10p
Subj: Re: Toshiba drivers?                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 DR> Sean, I hope these drives we bought are worth the trouble? OS2 drivers
 DR> for these drives are in the OS2 2.1 upgrade software according to a
 DR> tech person at Adaptec. The DOS and WIN drivers have to be obtained
 DR> either through Toshiba 714-455-0407, part# 4E0019-B0 for $62.10.

        Argh, $62.10 for something that should have been included the first
time.  For some reason I just don't understand that reasoning.


 DR> Or if you have Adaptec 154X, Adaptec has a 75$ software package called
 DR> EZ-SCSI that has the drivers in it.

        This is what I was told also, checking into the same sitution.

 DR> I feel ripped of ROYALLY! I have 2 different Hitachi Drives and a Sony
 DR> drive, and though not SCSI, the drivers came with each one as part of
 DR> the package price. Needless to say, I will never buy a Toshiba product
 DR> again. Hope this info helps you out.

        I'm not so much ripped at Toshiba, as I am at the place I bought the
 drive when I was assured that, "All you'll need to do is plug in the card,
 connect the drive and type install.  The rest will take care of itself."
 Who knows?
        Out of cursitoy, and a bit of noseiness, what option are you taking?

        thanks the information is not what I wanted to hear, but does help
 emensly!

 sean sinico

... I'm nervous and my socks are too loose.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12

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From: MIKE SHANNON                           Number: 9988
  To: RICK SHOAF                               Date: 12/23/93  1:15a
Subj: Virus                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

RS>Benjamin... I just read your last 5 messages and I just wanted to tell
RS>you that Night Owl has a long history of infected and commercial files
RS>on it's CD's. In fact a buddy of mine just check his NO2 and found
RS>infected files on it. I remember seeing messages in this echo about
RS>infected files on 6, 7, and 8 as well. Given that kind of history, don't
RS>you think that the people at NightOwl would start to use the best
RS>scanners available.. scan 108 was on their disk, how much trouble would
RS>it have been for them to register it and use it to scan their database
RS>before sending it to the CD manufacturer. The Pier series and the Cream
RS>of the Crop series are both excellent series and the last I've heard is
RS>that they are all virus free. You may argue that as long as people want
RS>new files they will have to chance the risk of infection, but do people
RS>want new files so bad that they would be willing to throw all safety
RS>nets out the window?

Nice job Rick......couldn't have said it better myself.

Happy holidays,
.\\ike


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From: MIKE SHANNON                           Number: 9989
  To: DAVE REED                                Date: 12/23/93  1:15a
Subj: Night Owl 10 Virus!!!                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

DR> BO> THAT'S MY FRIGGEN POINT!  <shaking fists in air and stomping ground>

DR>You'll do anything you can to cloud the issue, won't you.  The point is:
Nigh
DR>Owl does NOT have a very good quality control program.  Every disc Richard
DR>releases is to generate revenue to pay off the lawsuits and/or claims from
th
DR>previous disc.  He pushes his product out the door quickly, ignoring much of
DR>the detail in preparation that many other producers involve themselves in.

DR>What's your involvement with Richard, anyway?  Are you lovers?

Oh man, LOL and ROFLMAO x 10!  Damn you're brave, Dave.  I knew you had at
least one redeeming quality, but I couldn't remember what it was until just
now.  8)

Bye,
.\\ike


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From: MIKE SHANNON                           Number: 9990
  To: JOSHUA FULLER                            Date: 12/23/93  1:15a
Subj: NIGHT OWL 10 VIRUS REPORT               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JF>Night Owls reminds me of that punching clown that I had when I was a kid.
JF>You
JF>know... the one with a low center of gravity?  No matter how hard you hit
JF>the damn thing, it always comes up with that silly-assed grin on it's face!

JF>He he,. What is that court case all about? I know about the virus part.

It involves a treble damage lawsuit filed by their former programmer, who
claims non-payment of royalties, etc.  That's the *current* one.
Apparently there are others pending.

Later,

.\\ike


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From: STEWART ROTHMAN                        Number: 9991
  To: BORIS OSADCIW                            Date: 12/22/93 10:14a
Subj: WINDOWS CD                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boris, it's the 22nd, and no kit yet!!!!!

On the Ency 6.0, I've a problem with it. Loaded and accessed it, opening
screen came up, but the after cliking and the button menu came up, the mouse
disapeared and my system locked up. Has this happened to others, or did I just
get a bad disc. Shall I send it back to you for replacement or is there a fix
for this???

Stewart Rothman [phone] (Voice)
                [phone] (FAX)

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From: JOHN BARTA                             Number: 9992
  To: RYAN KEEFER                              Date: 12/22/93 10:31a
Subj: Re: Wanted Beatles CD                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 JB>  Beatles Hard Days Night CD-RoM !!!!
RK> Do you know if CD-ROM carries Top Gun or the Fatal Attraction CDs
RK> yet?  If not, do you know when they will come out?

We  were  talking  about  CD-ROM's  for  computers. Might you be you
talking about LASER disks?

                                   John
___
 X DeLuxe2 1.26b #47 X

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From: DAVID AHIA                             Number: 9993
  To: ED BAILEY                                Date: 12/22/93 10:11p
Subj: Max specific Door                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 DA>         Seems to me that I remember reading about a Maximus
 DA> specific CD-Rom Door.  Can someone tell me the name of it
 DA> again, and a place to Freq it?

 EB>      Why do you want to use a door - it is totally unnecessary
 EB>      with Maximus.

        You are right if the CD remains online at all times.  I have one drive
and wanted to make several disks available from it.  I understood that some
doors will wait until the desired CD is in the drive then copy the desired
files to a temporary directory, waiting for the user to download, then delete
the file to make room for other CD file requests from Offline disks.
        I have one disk on full time and it works great directly from Max.

 EB>     The Drives will work best if you set them for with the IRQ's
 EB>     only do not use the DMA setting. What you do is place the

        Thanks, I will re-install using the IRQ but no DMA.

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From: TOMMY GREEN                            Number: 9994
  To: LANGSTON GOLDFINCH                       Date: 12/23/93 12:28p
Subj: Keith Lemaire                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello! Langston can you call Faron Lemaire at home he needs your help setting
up a front door he is a member of your BBS his number is 504-764-7470 he is
waiting by the phone right now it is 12:45 noon thursday! Thank you very much !
                     Tommy Green!

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From: DAVE DUCHARME                          Number: 9995
  To: JASON DEVRIES                            Date: 12/16/93  6:43p
Subj: ST:TNG CD?                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JD>DD>I read in one of the games magazines that the STTNG CD-ROM game is in
  >DD>production right now, or rather it is in the development stage.  The
  >DD>game is
  >DD>apparently an interactive VR style game and is supposed to
  >DD>absolutely blow
  >DD>away the 25th Anniversary TOS game.
  >DD>So far there is no release date yet.

JD>I'm definatly going to get my hands on this one as soon as it comes out.
  >Someone told me the name of it, but I'm not sure what it was anymore.
  >Was it Rites of Judgement?

Nope, Judgement Rites is another TOS game from Interplay and it is on the
shelves now.  So far the only tentative title for the ST:TNG game is Star Trek
the Next Generation.

Dave


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From: MIKE BILOW                             Number: 9996
  To: BOBBY POSEY                              Date: 12/23/93  3:50a
Subj: Alway IN-2000 SCSI card                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > That's outrageous.  Give Always an argument on this charge.  Adaptec has
 > a toll-free support number and will provide free upgrades for their ROMs.

 BP> And if the IN-2000 cost as much as the Adaptec I would expect that too.
 BP> I just bought a new IN-2000 and it was only 189.00 and
 BP> the Adaptec was over 300.00...

Certainly not where I buy them.  Try Plexus, [phone].  I don't know how
current my price sheet is, but I show them with the Adaptec AH-1542 at $185 and
the AH-1522 at $76.  The 1542 is a bus-mastering controller, while the 1522 is
not.  If you plan on connecting only CD-ROM drives and other relatively slow
peripherals, the 1522 will be more than adequate.

If you need DOS ASPI support, you may have to pay a little extra for the driver
software.  If you are running under OS/2, then you need only the bare card.

You should not be looking at a $300 price tag unless you need the AH-2742 EISA
controller or AH-2842 VESA-LB controller.  You can often find the AH-1542
bundled with CorelSCSI, and that package might approach $300.

-- Mike

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From: ERIK MCKIBBEN                          Number: 9997
  To: JOSEPH THOMAS                            Date: 12/21/93  9:19p
Subj: Mitsumi Lu005s                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

What is the data transfer rate?  If it's single speed then it could be too
slow.  How is your sound hardware setup? (What's your CD drives's sound output
connected to?)
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From: ERIK MCKIBBEN                          Number: 9998
  To: KENNY SCOTT                              Date: 12/21/93  9:29p
Subj: Triple Speed CD-ROM                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

The first ones are from NEC.  They internal (3Xi) & external (3Xe) have access
times of 195ms and the data transfer rates of 450k/sec with a burst mode of
4MB/sec.  There is also a protable version (the 3Xp) which is supposed to be
the same as the other two but with a 250ms access time.  They are photo-CD
compatible and XA-ready.  From theses specs they look like they exceed MPC2
specs. The internal drive is priced somewhere between $459-510 (the external is
usually $50-120 more).  They're SCSI and SCSI2 compatible.  I've ordered a 3Xi.
 If you want I tell you how it is.
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From: ERIK MCKIBBEN                          Number: 9999
  To: JOE SITKO                                Date: 12/21/93  9:33p
Subj: 7Th Guest & SVGA question               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

From what I've heard about this game it needs a pretty fast video card.  That
means either an ISA, EISA, MCA accelerator or a Local Bus graphics card.
I don't think that the SVGA mode will work with a VGA monitor.  VGA is only
640x400.  SVGA has higher resolutions and normally 256 colors.
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From: BILL MITCHELL                          Number: 10000
  To: RICK PEDLEY                              Date: 12/16/93  8:28p
Subj: Cdrom & network                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


RP>BM>Same thing here, with version 5.0.

RP>Hmm, I was thinking of trying that next. But I'm almost convinced I've done
RP> everything possible at the software end. The resource manager knows its a
RP>CD-ROM drive, I've tried various drive letter assignments, etc. and nothing
RP> works.

Ahh, found it! In NET_MGR we have to create the resource, say as L:  and
then edit it. Lantastic will default to a DOS drive, we have to change
that to a CD-ROM. I've still found that dir commands will often yield a
corrupted display, it's probably something related to a buffer size.
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From: THOMAS WARDMAN                         Number: 10001
  To: CARL REEK                                Date: 12/22/93  7:50p
Subj: Mitsumi/Windows NT                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Re: Mitsumi/Windows NT

> Was running Windows 3.1 with a Mitsumi.  Have switched completely to
> Windows NT and can no longer use the Mitsumi.  Does anyone know if
> drivers have been programmed to run the Mitsumi with Windows NT?
> Thanks.
> --- WM v3.10/92-0004
>  * Origin: The Computer Room-Pickerington, Oh [phone]  (1:226/110)

Howdy!

I don't know if there are any drivers for the Mitsumi for NT, but why would
you want to use NT anyway?

Caio... .\\Tom~~

(From a OS/2 User...NT Means...Nice Try...)

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From: MIKE HOFFERT                           Number: 10002
  To: MIKE BILOW                               Date: 12/20/93  2:51p
Subj: Christmas stuff!?                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

MB> MH> I need to hang a CD on a Novell Network. Can't
MB> MH> find reliabe software to do it without using a PC for a CD
MB> MH> server. Any suggestions?

MB>Look at SCSI Express or CorelSCSI.  Both will do what you want.
MB>Netware 3.12 and 4.01 have built-in support for mounting CD-ROMs on the
serve
MB>in CDROM.NLM.

Thankyou for your help.  I was told about SCSI Express.  I would like
something that didn't require a server for the CD-Rom.  That is my
understanding with a multi changer.

Happy Holidays,
Mike

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From: SANTA                                  Number: 10003
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/19/93  2:46p
Subj: Merry Christmas                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Just wanted to take the time to say:


                        HO.. HO.. HO..

                                MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL

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From: BOYD ROBERSON                          Number: 10004
  To: JOE WALKER                               Date: 12/23/93  2:44a
Subj: Re: SB docs                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 JW>      Hi Boyd.  I have the SoundBlaster Pro and have
 JW> all the docs and would
 JW>      be glad to photo copy any of them you may
 JW> need.  As for the MCI Cd

How do I get in touch with ya? Not gonna post my address/# here..(grin)
Will pay for any paper/postage/labor.
Thanks!

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From: KEVIN O'BUCKLEY                        Number: 10005
  To: JASON DEVRIES                            Date: 12/21/93 12:34p
Subj: KQ6                                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Ja>Could you please help me out with the fifth gnome... the one that looks
at you.  I like to figure things out on my own, but this one is killing
me.  Perhaps you could just point me in the right direction... Don't
give me the answer, but don't make me lose any hair.  (If that is
possible

To trick the last gnome, you have to make it so he can't see you.  hmmmmm....
maybe there is something at the pawn show that will help you...  Maybe the
owner was stupid enough to throw it away....

All you need from the cave is the peppermint.

Kevin O'Buckley

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From: MATT TURNER                            Number: 10006
  To: DAVE WONG                                Date: 12/22/93  8:39a
Subj: Wholesale price CDs                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Dave, i am interested in the mother goose cd-rom how can I order it????
Give me a call @ 315-942-5883 and let me know thanks!!!


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From: PETER STASSEN                          Number: 10007
  To: GEORGES LECHIEN                          Date: 12/19/93 10:14a
Subj: Pioneer DRM 604X info                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Georges,

 > Tell them that your are coming upon my recommendation,
 > and you will get a good service.

Thank you very much for the adress. I already contacted them and they will send
me the available information and an offre.

Peter

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From: TAMI THOMPSON                          Number: 10008
  To: MARSHALL FREEDLAND                       Date: 12/23/93 10:01a
Subj: Amiga And Nec-38 Multi                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Perhaps you have done this, but have you confirmed which SCSI devices are
terminated?  Our NEC CDROM drive (not the same model as yours) came internally
terminated.  We have also heard about problems w/the A3000's SCSI chip, so
hopefully the new one you have ordered will help!  Good luck!  -Tami

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From: CHRISTIAN HEDEMARK                     Number: 10009
  To: AL FAUBION                               Date: 12/23/93  2:28p
Subj: Re: Multi-CD Drives?                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

*** Quoting Al Faubion to Ryan Thompson about Multi-CD Drives? *


AF> Sorry Ryan, I don't realy have any experience w/ that type o device.
AF> Maybe you could switch the multiple drives so that you could so that you
AF> could access them seperately while having them all conncted to your switch
AF> box.

Well, Al, Pioneer makes two CD ROM changers that will each hold six disks.
They use the same caddies as the Pioneer audio CD changers.

I have heard about a 10 disk changer out there, but have yet to see it.

Anyway, though, there is no reason you couldn't hook up 6 Mitsumi CD ROM
drives (since SCSI is good at that sort of thing) and assign each drive a
different letter.  It's also cheaper than the Pioneer 6 Disc unit that way.
That's how I am going to do it for my BBS; just buy one drive as I can afford
it and chain it to the others.

BTW- does anyone out there know of a SCSI-2 CD ROM drive that is pretty cheap?
I want to utilize the feature of SCSI-2 that allows you to read multiple
drives simultaneously.  Thanks

Warthog

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From: MARK SKIKUS                            Number: 10010
  To: HUGH CRAIG                               Date: 12/16/93  7:47p
Subj: Re: Rebel Assault                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Well on my 486 dx-33 with 4megs I use a Boot disk with a memory manager
and i have reduced my lockups i just played it for two hours with no problem

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From: EDWIN GRAVES                           Number: 10011
  To: RICHARD PILLAY                           Date: 12/22/93  3:29p
Subj: 100 disk changer???                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On (11 Dec 93) Richard Pillay wrote to Brice Fleckenstein...

 RP> BF> NSM makes a 100 disc CD-ROM changer, and I remember seeing ads for
 RP> at least
 RP> BF>one other such unit.
 RP>
 RP> What do these things sell for?

Probably like most anything like that...if you have to ask the price,
you probably can't afford it!  They ain't cheap....that's for sure.



... "Lawyer Testing" :because some things, even RATS won't do

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From: THE LAWMAN                             Number: 10012
  To: AARON TIEDJE                             Date: 12/22/93  4:45p
Subj: 6 Disk Cd-Rom                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> *** Quoting James Martin to All dated 12-09-93 ***
-> >   Ok here goes
-> >
-> >   I'm looking for a 6 disk Cd Rom!
-> >          I'd perfer one that would work off a SCSI/SCSI-2 card BUT
-> > not required.   This will be for my BBS so i really don't need the
-> > "BIGGEST AND BEST" out on the market.  I'd be satisfied with a slow
-> > xfer rate, but a good "change" rate.  Any one out there got a price
-> > these. (and yes i've looked in the Computer Shopper) i wanted to ch
-> > this out FIRST.
-> >
-> >   (I've already got a MPC-2 rom so that's not need either)
-> >
-> >    Thanks
-> >
-> >     James Martin
->
-> Get a Pioneer 604x 6-disc changer.  It is 185ms & has a DTR of 600kb/
-> don't know where exactly, but is Computer Shopper, I've seen it for $
-> paid $1339.  It really flies.  It is SCSI II compatable.  I know some
-> of these.  That's 42 drives!
->
-> -Aaron
->
-> --- GEcho 1.00
->  * Origin: The Netherlands Cafe  313.954.1656  Mt. Clemens, Mi (1:120

That's a lot of money for one when I just bought mine yesterday for $780
from our local sysop dealer supplier, scsi card was $160 so just under
$1000 gets the whole works from Emerald City Electronics in Mt. Juliet,
TN 615-754-9552


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From: MIKE DRUMMOND                          Number: 10013
  To: JOE HOWES                                Date: 12/16/93 12:42p
Subj: Re: Iron Helix CDROM                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JH*-> MD> Joe I have the Windows version and it runs very well. Smooth well put
  *-> MD> together. Being a Windows game it will not resize itself for higher
  *-> MD> rez screens so when I play it I drop down to 640-480. Now if I could
  *-> MD> just get through it without getting blown away!

JH*->        What speed of CPU  and CD-ROM do you have?

Hi Joe I'm using a double speed Texel and a DX50

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From: RICKY BOOTH                            Number: 10014
  To: BRICE FLECKENSTEIN                       Date: 12/23/93  4:15p
Subj: BUYING A CDROM                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  I did. Don't ASSume that you know everything.

Message recieved and ignored.


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From: MAX GREEN                              Number: 10015
  To: JOE SITKO                                Date: 12/23/93 10:11p
Subj: cheap imitations                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 JS> I bought a Sound Galaxy NX Pro, here on the nets, about 5 months ago,
 JS> and thus far I have had no compatibility problems with it.  It IS
 JS> EXACTLY
 JS> like the Soundblaster Pro.  This card is available for about $100 and
 JS> comes with software and speakers.
 JS> Just my experience, nothing else................
 JS>           Written by Joe Sitko on Tuesday, December 21 at 10:22:40
 JS> ... Could you please be a bit less specific?
 JS>  * Origin: The Glass Menagerie II [phone] V32.Bis  (1:2607/401)

   NOT TRUE, in your case or by any other clone maker.  The cards may
   emulate (Webster: "strive to equal, by imitating - imitate, esp. in
   excellence") the genuine Soundblaster.  If these other cards were so
   good wouldn't they have their own standards established?  Granted
   there may be a feature or two which is better that the Soundblaster
   however, for overall compatibility, reliability, support and easy of
   use NO ONE can beat the Soundblaster.  FYI, I am just an end user but
   have had 4 different brands installed in my system and I have came
   back to the Soundblaster each time.  So to all of you who think that
   you are going to save a buck or two - good luck.

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From: GORDON FLETCHER                        Number: 10016
  To: DAVID SILVER                             Date: 12/21/93 11:05a
Subj: KODAK ON A 1X???                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

DS> GF> disk each time instead of adding to a partly filled disk. No problem if
  > GF> you do 100 shots at a time. If you decide to go ahead let me know and
  > GF> I'll give you the name of an outfit that will put the shots on disk for
  > GF> 59 cents each plus cost of the disk ($9.95). I have done one disk at a
  > GF> cost of $1.25 each before I found a better price. Incidentally, if
  > GF> anyone knows of a better price I would appreciate some feedback.

David here's the info: Lazerquick
                       2959 SW Cedar Hills Blvd.
                       Beaverton, OR 97005

                       800-937-9196
                       503-644-9196

Ask for their "Imagepack". This will give you very complete and detailed
instructions. Fletch.
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From: NORM HILL                              Number: 10017
  To: DONNIE RAYNOR                            Date: 12/23/93 10:11a
Subj: Re: Reveal                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

DR>          Casey Romanski wrote 
DR> ╒═══════════════════════════════╕
DR>░▐▒Casey Romanski Quotes a message written by Bob Huson
DR>░▐▒to All on 11-25-93 14:04 saying:
DR>░▐▒Can anyone shed any light on the double-speed drive offered un
DR>░▐▒brand name? From what I can figure out, they are associated in
DR>░▐▒Seagate. I'm looking for a drive to add to the Sound Blaster 1
DR>░▐▒could not determine if this drive was equal to the Pioneer dri
DR>░▐▒would be appreciated. They seem to be everywhere all of a sudd
DR>░▐▒
DR> ╘═══════════════════════════════╛
DR>   Bob, if you have an "Egg Heads" in your area check them out. They
DR>have
DR>   the Reveal CD-ROM Kit, internal for $199.00.
DR>
DR>Whoop....There it is!
DR>... Hey Santa, how much for your list of naughty little girls?
DR>
DR> ■ Bwave 2.12 TLX v3.10 ■
DR>
DR>--- RaPro201+/GEcho1.01+
DR> * Origin: Jail House Blues(804)737-3180 Ra 2.00/Pro+ / Gecho 1.01+
DR>(1:264/188)

they also have computer shows where you can get Panasonic CR-562's that
work great with the SB Pro's.  Be warned that there is no USA support
for them until March 1994.  290ms seek time 300kbps transfer rate.
$230 is the going price...very good drive!

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From: NORM HILL                              Number: 10018
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/23/93 10:46a
Subj: Cr-562                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Can somebody point in the right direction of how to get a Panisonic
CR-562 work with OS/2.  It works fine in DOS but when I try to install
the OS/2 upgrade,(which has 2 disks and a CD-ROM) it doesn't recognize
the CD. I download a driver from the Creative Labs BBS and installed it
in the OS/2 Config.sys file and it still doesn't recognize the drive.
Any suggestions?

                                                        Norm Hill

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From: ROB MCINTYRE                           Number: 10019
  To: MIKE SHANNON                             Date: 12/23/93  4:32a
Subj: CD-ROM SALE                             Refer: NONE
Read: NO                                    Private: No

 MS> Don't recall, but it was probably either GIF Galaxy or So Much Screenware.
 MS> I really like GIF Galaxy, as it seems to have a good array of files that
 MS> I have not seen yet.  Both are in stock if you're interested.

I think it's Gif Galaxy... You said it was $24.95 before ? Is that the one ?
How much is shipping ?

Rob McIntyre
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From: TIM HELTON                             Number: 10020
  To: ARNIE GROSS                              Date: 12/24/93  5:20p
Subj: Holiday wishes                          Refer: 12462
Read: NO                                    Private: No

-> Tim -
->
-> To you and Bob Hall, and to all of the readers of this echo,
->
-> may I take a moment to wish everyone:
->
->        a prosperous, healthy, and happy holiday!

Same to you, Arnie...

tim
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From: JEREMY ROLLINGS                        Number: 10021
  To: HEATHER KRAUSE                           Date: 12/23/93 12:27a
Subj: Thanks for the tip                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

HK>        If you're looking for good sound, you might want to look at t
HK>        Return To Zork CD.

Thanks. I've put it on my Christmas list. Who am I kidding,
though--I know I can't escape the obligatory socks and ties. Sigh.

Best wishes, Jeremy in Chicago.

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From: HOWARD RICE                            Number: 10022
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/22/93 11:04p
Subj: Mitshumi Dual & sound                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

What is the best sound card to use with a Mitsumi Dual speed?
Aztec's Pro16 does not support the dual speed and they claim they do
not intend to.
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From: CHRIS DONNEGAN                         Number: 10023
  To: GARY HUFF                                Date: 12/23/93  2:05a
Subj: TOSHIBA_VS PANASONIC                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

GH>Yes, I knew that... Egghead pushes those kits at you everytime you eve
GH>"CD-ROM" at them.  I have Egghead's "Lazermate" kit, which is actually
GH>Panasonic (Matsushita) 562B.  Ref. advertising, I also live in the L.A
GH>(see tear line), and I see them in local ads (L.A. Times, etc.), but I
GH>specifically referring to Computer Shopper, which gets a little wider
GH>circulation than the Times.  They are not as heavily advertised in Com
GH>Shopper as some of the others, i.e., Toshiba, Texel, NEC, etc.


One reason is because Matsushita does not directly support its
"Panasonic" brand name in CD-ROMs, selling them only to OEM resellers. The
individual machines sold under the Panasonic name come out of those
batches and do not carry the name "Panasonic" on their chassis. Nor are
they supported by Panasonic for technical advice or warranty claims...




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From: RICH FISHER                            Number: 10024
  To: JAMES SUMMERS                            Date: 12/23/93 11:22p
Subj: Creative Labs Edutainment 16            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

* In a message originally to All, James Summers said:
 JS> Hello-

 JS> I was thinking about the purchase of a Creative LAbs
 JS> Edutaiment 16 cd-rom kit.  Does anyone have this or any
 JS> otherr "16" kits from creative labs?  I just wanted some
 JS> true user feedback.  It would be helpful to say how  the
 JS> product works and runs on a 486dx50 machine.

 JS> James Summers
 JS>
 JS> --- FMail 0.96Γ
 JS>  * Origin: London - now game/adventure! - 407.895.1335
 JS> (1:363/69)
Hello James,

Creative labs makes 3 separate multimedia kits, they are the discovery,
edutainment, and the digital edge. The first two contain the EXACT same
hardware, but have differnt software, the digital edge has the EXACT same 2X
cd-rom, but has better software and the sound blaster ASP 16 sound board. I
sell all of these kits thru my office, if you would like more info or some
prices you can call my
office.
Rich Fisher
TOTAL SYSTEMS Inc.
[phone]
[phone] fax
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From: RICH FISHER                            Number: 10025
  To: MARTIN RACETTE                           Date: 12/23/93 11:25p
Subj: Xmas                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

* In a message originally to all, Martin Racette said:
 MR> To all that read this conference have a Merry Christmas and
 MR> a Happy
 MR> New Year to you and yours

 MR> Martin

 MR> ---
 MR>  ■ KWQ/2 1.2b ■ MASOCHIST: Windows SDK programmer with a
 MR> smile!
 MR> --- FidoPCB v1.4 [ff056/a]
 MR>  * Origin: [FidoNET] Le Cafe - Vald'Or -
 MR> (819)-825-6851/9150 (1:242/1009)
Thank you for this xmas blessing. I hope Santa gets you that PC upgrade you
were hoping for.......grin!!!!!!!!
Merry Christmas!
Rich Fisher
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From: RICH FISHER                            Number: 10026
  To: WARREN KREICK                            Date: 12/23/93 11:33p
Subj: Re: MITSUMI OR PANASONIC ???            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

* In a message originally to Brice Fleckenstein, Warren Kreick said:
 WK> Warren is replying to Brice who replied to Warren on 14 Dec
 WK> 93 06:01pm

 WK> >> Any opinions on the ATI /FX or SB-16 or other card, that would be a
 WK> better
 WK> >> choice for use with either of these drives, would be most welcome

 WK> BF>  ATI is only usable to control the Mitsumi. SB is only usable to
 WK> BF>  control a Panasonic/Matsushita.

 WK>  Thanks Brice - this'll make buying a drive/sound card
 WK> combo a whole lot
 WK>  simplier !


 WK>                                   \\~arren

 WK> --- GEcho 1.01+
 WK>  * Origin: Silver Xpress Mail System (1:140/62)
Hello Warren,
 If your interested I have a mitsumi Multimedia kit for sale, and I am
practically giving it away. It is a mitsumi internal Cd-ROM, an ATI Stereo F/X
board and 3 software titles. I paid over $400.00 for the combo but will sell
it for $200.00. I just got an NEC triple speed, so I dont need it. I will
guarantee agaisnt DOA and it still has 8 months warranty remaining.
If interested please call me:
Home:  [phone]
Work:  [phone]
Pager: [phone]
Thanks and Merry Christmas
Rich Fisher
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From: ANDY CHRYSLER                          Number: 10027
  To: MIKE MORE                                Date: 12/23/93 12:23p
Subj: CD: Carmen SanDiego                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 On 12-20-93 Mike More wrote to All...

 MM> found a 256 colour driver for my Trident monitor. The
 MM> bundle included Where in the World is Carmen SanDiego and
 MM> it will periodically lock up. I have to reboot the computer


Hello Mike,
    Try setting your sound settings for Adlib and see if the
problems continue. I had the same problem with the ATI sound
card. I think that the problem is that Carmen has SoundBlaster
and Soundblaster Pro As one driver. So give it a try it might
solve your problem with the game locking up... I solved my
problem and I ended up trashing my ATI sound card and switching
to the PAS 16...

Hope this Helps...

TTYl.
Andy.

Have a Merry Christmas!
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From: DAVID REMER                            Number: 10028
  To: JOE RINEHART                             Date: 12/23/93  4:43a
Subj: Re: Hitachi model 3500's                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JR>    The Hitachi model 3600 should be available soon and I'm plotting
JR>to purchase several hundred, should you be interested in these as
JR>well.

Joe, are the 3600's also internal? Will they run off the Hitachi
controller card I have for the Todd 6000 and the 1700 (non-scsi)?
If so I may be very interested in purchasing some of these. If I
can make them external by daisy chaining to my 2 existing Hitachi
drives, I will definitely puchase up to 4 of depending on price.

Thanks in advance for more info.

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From: DAVID REMER                            Number: 10029
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 12/23/93  4:48a
Subj: Re: Hitachi 3600 cd rom dr              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

TB> Hitachi cd rom drives model 3600 (that's right model 3600) $99 each.
TB> Access time 350 ms.  Transfer rate 150 kb/s.  These EXCELLENT drives
TB> can be daisy-chained up to 8 on each propitiatory controller card.
TB> They can use the same controller cards that  are  used  with  the
TB> model 3500's.  If you don't  already  have  an  interface  card I
TB> have them NEW for $60.  I also can provide external  cases  for 4
TB> or 8 of these drives and  external  cables  and  power  supplies.
TB> 30   day   warranty.      All domestic orders are shipped  c.o.d.
TB> Call voice 205-824-2552  or "crash" netmail your order to 3625/441.
TB> Sorry...  routed  netmail  won't reach me since I get my  feed  via
TB> satellite.

Terry, could you please quote me a price for 4 of them in external
case? Also, if they will daisy chain off my current Hitachi controller
card used for the 1700 model (non-scsi) or I should say off the 1700
drive itself since it is attached to the controller and the controller
will accomodate up to 7 or 8 drives, I forget which. Please include
cost for cables if these will work. Thanks.

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From: BOB DUNN                               Number: 10030
  To: *********** FREE HUGE CD-                Date: 12/23/93  5:47p
Subj: For The largest selection               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

*F> If you'd like a printed copy, send your mailing information to u
*F> We offer CDLIST file attach's upon request.
*F> CATALOG FREQ: cdlist.zip    (over 1,100 cd-rom disc titles avail
*F>        Internet: [e-mail]
*F>    FidoNet: 1:157/479 - RBBSNet 8:965/13 - KesherNet 18:711/176
*F> Joe Rinehart / config.sys, Inc.    Voice: [phone]  -  24
*F> P.O. Box 27                        Data/Fax: (216) 296-GIGO(4446
*F> Kent, Ohio 44240-0001              >>>INTERNATIONAL ORDERS WELCO

Bob Dunn
51 Hubbell Ave
Ansonia, CT 06401-1329
 ■ MegaMail 2.10 #1429:Taco Bell is not a Mexican Phone company!
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From: CHRIS ZITO                             Number: 10031
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/23/93 12:03p
Subj: Doom on a GUS?                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Anyone out there hear Id's DOOM on the Gravis Ultrasound yet?  It has got to be
the most incredible experience!!! Focal Point 3D sound at 16 bit 44.1 khz with
an awesome soundtrack in the background (Near Roland MT-32 quality)
Wavetable quality of course.

... Please don't hit me Mr. Moderator... I'll go back on topic!


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From: VINCE CHIARO                           Number: 10032
  To: MATT TALAGA                              Date: 12/20/93 11:11p
Subj: cheap imitations                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 <<--Quoting Matt Talaga to All on 12-14-93  14:40-->>

 MT> This message was from DAVID BARRETT to ALL,
 MT> originally in conference TRISOUND
 MT> and was forwarded to you by MATT TALAGA.
 MT> -------------------------
 MT> I've been wanting a sound card for quite some time, and I've noticed
 MT> that  the industry stantard has reverted to "100% Sound Blaster
 MT> Compatible!".  Do  these imitation boards, which are around half the
 MT> price of Sound Blaster,  have the same abilities, and are they really
 MT> 100% compatible?  I'm not  asking for specifics, but on the average.
 MT> Also, I'm in the market for a  cheap sound card with speakers.  Thanks.
 MT> David :)

I bought one of those 100% SB compatible cards for about 59$ and it works great
with every program I have. It works excellent on 7th Guest, Encarta Encyclopedi
and seems to work fine on non-cdrom programs. I would say that is is definitly
100% compatible and I would highly recommend it because of the inexpensive
price.


... Atheism is a non-prophet organization.
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From: MICHELLEA SORENSEN                     Number: 10033
  To: BOB JENKINS                              Date: 12/21/93  5:40p
Subj: CD-ROM WHOLESALER'S OF CA               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->   Hi Michella. Just a short note to thank you for your help with my
-> order. As you know, it arrived this past friday. Very impressive !
->
->   I recommend your company to anyone here. You (I.M.H.O) have the
-> best prices on the continent, a good selection, and very courteous
-> service. I will be doing business with you in the future.
->
-> Would you please respond to this note, as I would like to netmail you
-> something, and have need of your address. Thank you.

Hi Bob!

   Thank you for your kind words!

   Our netmail address is 1:140/121.

   -=* .\\ichellea *=-
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From: SEAN SINICO                            Number: 10034
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/21/93  4:33p
Subj: SCSIworks                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello everyone.

I have just finished talking with a Tech rep. at the place where I bought
my CD-ROM with a problem.  He told me very assurdly that I had a driver
problem.  He also said that it would be fixed by a program called SCSIworks.
However I do not know of any place where I could purchase this.  If anyone
has any information about where I could find this program, or even somewhere
I could downloade it or purchase it if need be.
Thank you for ANY information.

sean sinico

... Damn good coffee and HOT!
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From: ALEX FALARDEAU                         Number: 10035
  To: JAMES SUMMERS                            Date: 12/22/93  1:28p
Subj: Creative labs edutainment               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

--==> Quoting From:  James Summers to All about Creative labs edutainment <==--

 JS> I was thinking about the purchase of a Creative LAbs Edutaiment 16
 JS> cd-rom kit.  Does anyone have this or any otherr "16" kits from
 JS> creative labs?  I just wanted some true user feedback.  It would be
 JS> helpful to say how  the product works and runs on a 486dx50 machine.

Hi.  I have CL's Discovery 16 multimedia package.  It came with an SB16,
doublespeed drive and software.  The sound quality of the 16 is
incredible.  It is much better than the original SB and the 8 bit Pro.
The quality matches or exceeds the PAS16.  Also, unlike many cards,
there is a $175US add-on Waveblaster for general midi support (very
nice).

The drive is also high quality.  It plays video back with ease and plays
audio with no problems at all.  I'd say CL's CD packages are an
excellent deal.  Compared to other double speed drives CL's are on top.

As for your 486dx50, I don't know.  I run a lowly 386dx40.  Programs
ought to scream on a system like that though :-)

-Alex Falardeau
[e-mail]

... Nothing is so simple it can't get screwed up.
    Blue Wave/QWK v2.10


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From: NORBERT PIRZKAL                        Number: 10036
  To: DON BOSMAN                               Date: 12/22/93  4:27p
Subj: Re: Panasonic CD ROM card !             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

DB> NP>I am looking for someone who knows anything about the panasonic cd rom
DB> NP>adapter cards. I have a Sound Blaster cd rom (external) and creative lab
DB> NP>If anyone reading this has one/sell them or has any information please l
DB>
DB>
DB> They usually go for $10 at the computer show.
DB>   Or you could get a sound blaster.
DB>

    But who SELLS them? Do you know a place I could order one from?

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From: NORBERT PIRZKAL                        Number: 10037
  To: WEE YUNG                                 Date: 12/23/93 12:54a
Subj: Re: Multimedia kit forsale              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I am looking for an adapter card in which I could plug my external Panasonic
drive. It is a SoundBlaster cd rom external drive that hooks up into a little
board that interfaces to the SB pro. I have another SoundBlaster card in a
second computer but nobody sells that little card by itself. I was told I
shopuld just buy a panasonic interface card (which provides an external
connector). Do you have them? The drive is a Panasonic CT531C

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From: KYLE MACHULIS                          Number: 10038
  To: RICKY BOOTH                              Date: 12/23/93  1:07p
Subj: Re: seventh Guest                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

          Ricky Booth wrote 
 ╒═══════════════════════════════╕
▒█▐
▒█▐I've been thinking of getting this! Is it good? Is it fun? What's it
▒█▐like?
▒█▐
 ╘═══════════════════════════════╛

I haven't seen it on the CD-ROM yet, but I saw the Clouds of Xeen on
a PC. Pretty nice... But put Worlds of Xeen on your CD-ROM, and it sounds
great.... With WOX on your PC, it takes up 32meg with very little speach..

---
 ■ TLX v3.30 ■ All is for the best in this best of all possible worlds.

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From: JOE RINEHART                           Number: 10039
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/24/93  3:35a
Subj: !free Cd catalog!                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

*********** FREE HUGE CD-ROM DISC & accessories CATALOG!*************
For the largest selection & lowest prices, get our NEW catalog...
If you'd like a printed copy, send your mailing information to us.
We offer CDLIST file attach's upon request.
CATALOG FREQ: cdlist.zip    (over 1,100 cd-rom disc titles available)
        Internet: [e-mail]
    FidoNet: 1:157/479 - RBBSNet 8:965/13 - KesherNet 18:711/176
Joe Rinehart / config.sys, Inc.    Voice: [phone]  -  24 hours
P.O. Box 27                        Data/Fax: (216) 296-GIGO(4446) ZyX
Kent, Ohio 44240-0001              >>>INTERNATIONAL ORDERS WELCOME<<<

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From: JOE RINEHART                           Number: 10040
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/24/93  3:35a
Subj: Refurbished Cd-rom drives               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 *********** Refurbished  Hitachi Model 3600 CD-ROM DRIVES ***********
These are the long awaited refurbished drives, 1 step above Model 3500
    Great for BBS usage, buy 8 drives and get an instant 5.44 Gigs!
          IN-STOCK READY TO SHIP  Daisy-chainable to 8 drives!
    $130.00 bare unit, 30 day warrantee, 680 meg, avg. speed 380mls.
           Internet: [e-mail]
      FidoNet 1:157/479 - RBBSNet 8:965/13 - KesherNet 18:711/176
Joe Rinehart / config.sys, Inc.     Voice: [phone]  -  24 hours
P.O. Box 27                         Data/Fax: (216) 296-GIGO(4446) ZyX
Kent, Ohio 44240-0001               >>>INTERNATIONAL ORDERS WELCOME<<<

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From: LANCE HOLLON                           Number: 10041
  To: FRED FINDLING                            Date: 12/24/93  1:58p
Subj: ms-dos upgrades                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I don't care what anybody says about "hooks", or dblspace being
permanent. I have Installed and removed Dblspace around 50 times on
about 20 different machines. No PROBLEMS. It's simple. (at least on the
systems I've worked with) Just back up your data, run Dosshell, and
Delete all the DBLSPACE.* files in your path. (Don't do it in dos
because some of the files are Read Only Hidden System files and you
would have to unattrib them first) Once you are finished, reinstall dos,
and then restore the data from your backups. (The actual removing of the
dblspace (not including backing up) takes about 1 to 10 minutes,
depending on the size of the drive.

P.S. This is not on the dblspace drive, this is on the non-dblspaced
drive. (Dblspace (on the systems i've worked with) has to create an area
that isn't compressed to load all the system drivers and boot. this is
where you'll find the files to kill)


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From: RICK NAY                               Number: 10042
  To: JOE SITKO                                Date: 12/24/93 12:00a
Subj: Re: 7Th Guest & SVGA question           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Well I had a trident 8900c before I had my et-4000 and you may find the video a
little jerky..7th guest comes with Vesa drivers for the trident board..And
usually its just a plug in and ready to go situation..if you have problems with
it let me know the configuration of the card..its imperitive that you get the
owners manual..because you may have to set jumpers..For fourty dollars more you
could an et-4000 based board capable of 16.8 milllion colors at 640x480 and
about 3 times the performance of the trident..but of course you know your
budget..hehe..ok..C-ya..

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From: PAUL BILLINGS                          Number: 10043
  To: DON RIEB                                 Date: 12/22/93 11:11p
Subj: FREE CDROM CATALOG!                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

pb >DR> New CDROM catalog, F'REQ 1:115/724 for CDROMCAT.ZIP or Send
   >DR> printed catalog.  You can also call 708-657-1160 or write

DMW>I would like to receive your printed catalog-send to

Paul Billings
1700 One Commerce Square
Memphis, TN  38111

Thanks.

 * OLX 2.1 TD * Paul Billings * 901.576.1795 * [e-mail]

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From: PAUL BILLINGS                          Number: 10044
  To: CHRIS CONKLIN                            Date: 12/11/93  8:03a
Subj: Re: Free Catalog                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Please send me your free catalog.

My address is:

Paul Billings
1700 One Commerce Square
Memphis, TN  38103

Thanks.

 * OLX 2.1 TD * Paul B. Billings, Jr.  901.576.1795  paul.billings@ccibbs

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From: PAUL BILLINGS                          Number: 10045
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/22/93 11:14p
Subj: Catalog                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

If anyone out there sells cd-rom's via catalog, please send me one.

Paul Billings
1700 One Commerce Square
Memphis, TN  38103

Thanks.

 * OLX 2.1 TD * Paul Billings * 901.576.1795 * [e-mail]

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From: JEREMY DAVIS                           Number: 10046
  To: PAUL KNOX                                Date: 12/23/93  2:09a
Subj: Night owl 10.1                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

The files are as follows

File 1 in dir 020a file SF2_UP.zip-Memory Lapse File 2 in dir 037A file
SPORT21C.ZIP-Butterflies

Some people have trouble finding one of these virus's some don't might want to
block both to be safe!

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From: THE LAWMAN                             Number: 10047
  To: DAVID SILVER                             Date: 12/23/93  2:10p
Subj: Re: 6 Disk Cd-Rom                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->  -=> Quoting Aaron Tiedje to James Martin <=-
->
->  AT> Get a Pioneer 604x 6-disc changer.  It is 185ms & has a DTR of
->  AT> 600kb/s.  I don't know where exactly, but is Computer Shopper, I
->  AT> seen it for $1199.  I paid $1339.  It really flies.  It is SCSI
->  AT> compatable.  I know someone w/ 7 of these.  That's 42 drives!
->
->  Actually, it is 300ms or less access time - and it DOES fly...
->
->
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And I only paid $780 for mine from my local shop in Mt. Juliet, TN and
thats retail not wholesale price.


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From: THE LAWMAN                             Number: 10048
  To: DAVID SILVER                             Date: 12/23/93  2:12p
Subj: Re: Multiple Cd-rom w/ BB               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Hi Mike,
->
->  -=> Quoting Mike McGuire to Mike Romard <=-
->
->
->  MM> Well it might be a problem if you decide to get a Pioneer 604x m
->  MM> cd changer and run a multinode BBS. Here's a example: User on no
->  MM> DL'ing a file off drive P: which is on the Multi CD changer, Use
->  MM> wants to DL a file off drive Q: which is also on the same CD cha
->  MM> Who is going to get priority, since the changer's platter will h
->  MM> rotate to bring up drive Q:. They bump heads trying to get acces
->  MM> the drives. That's one one the reasons I went with seperate CD's
->  MM> instead of the 6 disk changer. Now don't get me wrong, I have se
->  MM> some collisions running the seperate CD's also.
->  MM> Mike
->
-> The answer is to work with a door that supports multi-cd/multi-node a
-> To my knowledge, there is at least one that does this extremely well.
-> was written with the Pioneer (of which I own one) in mind.  It suppor
-> DOOR.SYS systems - or any that can convert their drop files to same.
-> quick - based on text file configuration and no need for binarily ind
-> databases.  I used it for about 2 days before I sent off for registra
-> Name of the program is EZROM - with the current version findable as:
-> EZR-120R.???  88,886.  I'm sure you can find it to you closer than
-> me, and it is WELL worth looking into.  Setup up is very fast.  I use
-> have the files.bbs reformatting blues you mentioned above.  I install
-> Night Owl 10 in all of about 20 minutes.  Displays of file descriptio
-> picture perfect and the program is just plain fast.  Some folks objec
-> using a door for file transfers of any kind, but I like to integrate
-> whatever works best for my users.  I am a multinode system that is qu
-> satisfied with what this program provides.  Another way to deal with
-> multiple access to the same disk is to use a program that copies file
-> a designated hard drive location before transferring them.  This free
-> the CD as quickly as possible.  The one I am slightly familiar with i
-> The version I have is 2.51 and I am wanting to register it, but have
-> original archive.  If you (or anyone else) has an address for the aut
-> I would be most appreciative.
->
-> David
->
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Seems like I could use that program too, I'll keep a watch for a reply.
Even though wildcat transfer files to the hard drive temporary for
downloads.


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From: THE LAWMAN                             Number: 10049
  To: JERRY THOMSON                            Date: 12/23/93  2:18p
Subj: 6 DISK CHANGERS                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> I just picked up this echo on my board.   I was surprised that I didn
-> prices for the 6 disk player by Pionner.  Could someone post what the
-> purchase price for this unit is?  I have a copy of Computer Shopper,
-> couldn't find it.
->
->     I have one CD-ROM drive hooked up and was considering another sin
-> but would like to get some pricing on the 6 disk changer.
->
->     Also, if anyone knows, does Pioneer have different model numbers
-> disk changer and if so perhaps we could have a brief discussion on th
-> should note that my ONLY purpose for CD Drives is for my BBS.  So, I
-> any special audio features.
->
->     Even though I have one CDROM up and running on my board, I am sti
-> novice even though my system works without a hitch. (Thank GOD!)
->
-> Thanks in advance,
->
->                     Jerry
->
-> --- GEcho 1.00
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Jerry, I have 3 internal cdroms (mitsumi's) running at present on
wildcat but will be selling some of em as I just bought a pionerr 6 disk
for $780 from our local shop ($160 for the scsi card in addition) so
just under a grand I got the works, should be delivered next week. Check
around your local area and computer shopper, if you can get it all
cheaper have at it, if not call 615-754-9552 and ask for Big John or Doc
at Emerald City Electronics in Mt. Juliet, TN.


BTW for your information, I have all 3 internals working plus loading
network files high and still have 541k conventional which is plenty for
wildcat to run.


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From: KEVIN BRUNER                           Number: 10050
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/23/93 11:07a
Subj: Rebel Assault Patch FREQ                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi there...

Does anyone know of a BBS that has the Rebel Assault patch? I'd like to FREQ
it so I don't have to spend a ton o' cash downloading it. Thanks for any help
you can offer.

                                                -+ Kevin +-



... Santa's elves are just a bunch of subordinate Clauses.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12

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From: WILLIAM PONG                           Number: 10051
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/22/93  8:02p
Subj: CD-ROM Catalogs Wanted                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Sheesh, it's sure a lot easier to get CD-ROM drives than CD-ROM disks.
Seems like there are hundreds of local of stores selling drives, but none none
have a good selection of CD-ROMS.
I'm looking for the cheapest source to buy the following CDs:
   Simtel 20
   Audio Collection
   C user group library
   MS works (maybe)
Please send any catalogs my way.
  William Pong
  P.O. Box 6013
  Bellevue, WA. 98008-0013

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From: SCOTT PARKS                            Number: 10052
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/23/93 10:58a
Subj: Project Guttenberg                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

The Oxford Text Library seems to be not the same as Project Guttenberg
so if anyone has information on obtaining either/both of these collections
on CD it would be greatly appreciated.


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From: GEORGE VAISEY                          Number: 10053
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/24/93  2:27p
Subj: New/Need                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I am new here.  My CD-ROM is less then 1 hour old (install and working).  I
ahve the windows version of a program to play musical CD's on and was wondering
if there was a DOS version or a TSR and where I can get it.  Thank you very
much!

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From: JOHN ALEXANDER                         Number: 10054
  To: GIULIANO MACIOCCI JR                     Date: 12/24/93 12:48a
Subj: Great Games???                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting Giuliano Maciocci Jr to Jeremy Rollings <=-

 GMJ> I've heard "Day of the Tentacle" is good, and I watched the demo from
 GMJ> Night  Owl 10, and it seemed excellent! The voices in the demo are
 GMJ> crystal clear on  my SBPRO, the graphics are cartoon-like though lo-res
 GMJ> and the characters are fun. Any more advice out there? Should I buy it?
 GMJ> You see, I'm in the same  boat as you, looking for a good, long-lasting
 GMJ> but not-too-frustrating CD game!
 GMJ> TTYL

DOTT is an excellent game. I loved it. It was a fun game. It didn't require
much in the way of thought. It was a great adventure game. I would
advise getting it.



... Wesley's temper tantrum: "I want a new universe for Xmas"
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From: RICKY BOOTH                            Number: 10055
  To: JOHN ALEXANDER                           Date: 12/24/93  1:32p
Subj: Great Games???                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > It didn't require much in the way of thought.

Not if you ask your friend exactly how to win it. Or d/l the walkthru.
This is your usual procedure is it not?


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From: ELLEN COTTON                           Number: 10056
  To: SEAN SINICO                              Date: 12/24/93 12:00a
Subj: Re: SCSIworks                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I purchased SCSI WORKS by Trantor from HDSS, Sunnyvale, CA, 1-800-252-9777 for
$59...list I believe is $79. HDSS advertizes in Computer Shopper...this is the
only ad I've seen for it.

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From: DAVID NAVARRO                          Number: 10057
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/19/93  1:04p
Subj: CD cache                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

         Hello, I have a sony CDU 31A CD-ROM, and some one tell me that
there's a soft cache for speed it. I try with the ms-dos 6.2 smartdrv
and the pctools 8 pc-cache. Some one knows another better?

        And if exist any aplication really good, for the CD's, for speed it
, play CD audio in background (the soft included in the CD when pass in
background mode, ply the courrent song and not play the rest).

        Another question is for the video files included in some cd soft,
I have a 386-Dx 40 Mhz with 5Mb, there's something for make it faster?

          (I'm sorry for my English)

                    Falcon
                         Barcelona - Spain

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From: STEPHAN GLATTFELDER                    Number: 10058
  To: JUSTIN HAMILTON                          Date: 12/20/93 12:07p
Subj: Panasonic WORM drive                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 JH> Does anyone have Drivers, or can tell me what drivers I need to
 JH> get the
 JH> LF9000 or the LF7010 WORM drives to work with an Adaptec 1540
 JH> SCSI Card??

I have the LF7010E multifunction drive working on an Adaptec 1540 under Novell
3.11 and DOS 5.0. I'm using CorelSCSI 1.2, it works well for DOS, OS/2 and
Novell.

 JH> Can I use ASPI4DOS & MSCDEX?? If so what settings/switches will
 JH> they need..

No way. MSCDEX is only for CD-ROMs. The format data is recorded on the MO/WORM
is completly different from a CD-RON.
If you want to used the drive under DOS or OS/2, the only choice you have is
CorelSCSI. Under Netware you might try also SCSI-Express, but this is very
expensive.

Bye
Stephan

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From: JAN HOLZNAGEL                          Number: 10059
  To: DAVID NAVARRO                            Date: 12/22/93 11:02p
Subj: Re: CD cache                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting David Navarro to All <= CD cache -

 DN> Hello, I have a sony CDU 31A CD-ROM, and some one tell me
 DN> that  there's a soft cache for speed it. I try with the ms-dos 6.2
 DN> smartdrv  and the pctools 8 pc-cache. Some one knows another better?
 I'm using DOS6.2 Caching too and am content with it. What's your
 problems?

 DN> And if exist any aplication really good, for the CD's, for
 DN> speed it , play CD audio in background (the soft included in the CD
 DN> when pass in  background mode, ply the courrent song and not play the
 DN> rest).
 Are you looking for DOS- or Windows- Applikation??? If DOS, look on CD
 PEGASUS. If Windows: look on CD WINWARE . On one of these CD's you wil
 find the software of your dreams! ;-)
 DN> Another question is for the video files included in some cd
 DN> soft, I have a 386-Dx 40 Mhz with 5Mb, there's something for make it
 DN> faster?
 Yes! More memory, more memory and more memory! And maybe a faster
 CD-Drive. If you have an old one, like me, you can do there a lot!
 DN> (I'm sorry for my English)
 Doesn't matter... ;->
 DN> Falcon
 DN> Barcelona - Spain

Merry christmas!

Jan


... Atheism is a non-prophet organization.
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From: ANDY STUYVESANT                        Number: 10060
  To: DAVID SUTHERLAND                         Date: 12/17/93  7:29p
Subj: CD Catalogs Wanted                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

DS>ASHi All,

DS>ASPlease send me some addresses of CD-Rom companies I can send to for

Hi David, you could do pretty well, much closer to home. If you have
access to fido net, put a message into Chris Chan in the Sale area
(sorry, forgot his node and point), I'm sure whatever your needs, he'll
be able to accomodate. Hope that helps. Regards, Andy s

 * OLX 2.1 TD * --T-A+G-L-I+N-E--+M-E-A+S-U-R+I-N-G+--G-A+U-G-E--


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From: NIGEL BELBIN                           Number: 10061
  To: DALE ELROD                               Date: 12/17/93  8:19p
Subj: Re: OS/2 2.1 Beta V 6.479               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting Dale Elrod to Jason Hyland <=-

 JH >Beta Version 6.479 - Promoting Development". I'm not sure of
 JH >the legal
 JH >position of selling this CD, but I suppose as the actual
 JH >product has
 JH >been about for a while, it's not too bad. Not that I'm
 JH >condoning it. I
 JH >paid a pittance for it, so I guess I should have realised
 JH >that I wasn'r
 JH >beta is so out of date, I don't think I'll bother

 Why not just sell it for a pittance to someone who wants it ....
 let me know if you want to get rid of it cheap ...

 cheers

 nigel


... He's got Blue Wave fever and it's spreading through the message bases!
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From: TIM HAYWOOD                            Number: 10062
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/19/93  3:32p
Subj: C= CD                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hiya All,

Can anyone please tell me whether the Apple CD300 (is that correct?) will work
with a Commodore Amiga A1200 equipped with a standard SCSI-1 interface?

Does the Apple CD drive use a standard SCSI connection and does anyone know of
any driver software that I could use.

Cheers, :o)
--               _
Tim Haywood   _ //  |  Fidonet: 2:252/309.35   Amiganet: 39:137/1.35   |
Nottingham UK \X/   |      Internet: [e-mail]      |

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From: MICHAEL M                              Number: 10063
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/18/93 12:03a
Subj: Photo CD                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I'm trying to find appropriate drivers for a Toshiba XM3301 and Photo CDs.
Can anyone supply or sell these cheaply?

Michael



... Hey Santa, how much for your list of naughty girls?
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From: DAVID PRIEST                           Number: 10064
  To: CHRIS DURHAM                             Date: 12/19/93  9:22a
Subj: Price of Pioneer 604X                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Chris!

06 Dec 93, Chris Durham writes to All:

 > What's the best price I can expect to buy one of these beasties for,
 > bearing in mind that I'm in the UK and as such shipping would have to be
 > added.

In the UK these are selling for at best about 875-900 + vat.

Regards,

David Priest.

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From: CLIVE CARMOCK                          Number: 10065
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/20/93 11:51p
Subj: Panasonic 562B                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Does anyone know if software to enable audio CD's to be played in a Panasonic
562B CD ROm drive exist, and if so where I might be able to get them?

When using this drive with a Soundblaster 16 is CDMKE40.SYS the correct driver?

Thanks

Clive

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From: TONY CORKERY                           Number: 10066
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/19/93  4:00p
Subj: CorelDRAW V3 CD                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

All,
I have a Mitsumi LU005S CD-ROM drive and I have been having great
difficulty in accessing the material on the CD that comes with CorelDRAW
V3.
I realise that the Mitsumi only accesses the first 600MB but there seems
to be vast tracts of the CD I can't get too. It either takes ages for
the drive to read the directory or it seems to spin forever with nothing
happening.
Has anybody had similar problems with this CD or a similar spec drive?


Cheers Tony C.
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From: MARCEL EVANS                           Number: 10067
  To: ANDY CLARKSON                            Date: 12/17/93  2:50p
Subj: Phillips CD ROM Drive                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Andy,


 AC>I have recently got access to a Philips CM 250 External

I'm afraid that there is no Sound Blaster card that incorporates an interface
for that drive.

Is there a problem with using it's own cd interface?

see ya

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From: ADAM EDWARDS                           Number: 10068
  To: COLIN RUSS                               Date: 12/17/93  2:33p
Subj: Us Cds                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On 15 Dec 93, Colin Russ stated to Kevin Wright:

CR>Re: Mail order purchase of CDs (etc.) from US.

Ooooh, you naughty boy Colin, exposing yourself on an international mail
echo like this... :)

BTW thanks anyway, the ideas were pretty valid, the second one may hol up
your orders in customs for longer than you hoped though....

L8r
Adam

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From: BRYAN ANSLOW                           Number: 10069
  To: GEOFF LOWTHER                            Date: 12/20/93  1:43p
Subj: Corel Problems????                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Geoff,

 > It seems that there is some legal bunk in the U.S. over this CD
 > because it includes some pictures of women in Swim Suits which has
 > been called "degrading" and therefore Corel have apparently scrapped
 > the CD.  They offered to send me the "Kodak Photo CD Access" instead.

 > Has anyone else heard of this?

 GL> No. As a Corel dealer I have a dealer sampler here. The only naked
 GL> females are polar bears, tigers etc. This doesn't mean to say the
 GL> above isn't true though.

Hmmmm, maybe further investigation called for - the Company who told
me this is UNICA by the way.

Cheers,

Bryan.

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From: JOHN ALEXANDER                         Number: 10070
  To: RICKY BOOTH                              Date: 12/24/93  5:44p
Subj: Great Games???                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Not if you ask your friend exactly how to win it. Or d/l the
 > walkthru.
 > This is your usual procedure is it not?

Still, The game was pretty fun.


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From: MIKE SHANNON                           Number: 10071
  To: ALEX MOTTRAM                             Date: 12/24/93  1:07a
Subj: NIGHT OWL 10 VIRUS REPORT               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

AM>| This latest lawsuit was filed by their former programmer, who is claiming
AM>| damages as result of non-payment.

AM>Thanks.  I was expecting something serious.  I think they could take that
one
AM>to Judge Wapner <G>.

No, I don't think so.  Last time I watched, Judge Wapner's award limit was
$5000.  This baby's more in the $600,000 range!  Not just another case of
"The Puppy-Stained Carpet" if you get my meaning.  8)  Seeing as how it
could ruin Night Owl's because they cannot hide behind their corporation,
I'd venture to say that everyone involved with it views the case as
EXTREMELY serious.

Later,
.\\ike


 * SLMR 2.1a * If at first you don't succeed, call it Night Owl 10.0

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From: MIKE SHANNON                           Number: 10072
  To: GARY HUFF                                Date: 12/24/93  1:07a
Subj: Virus                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

GH>very long.  As a friend of mine who ran a camera store used to say, if
GH>enough customers came in and asked him for a used camel, pretty soon
GH>he'd convert his back room into a stable.

Well, it'd be a little ripe, but I would probably do the same! <g>

GH>When the Nightowl 11 comes out, I'll be buying it... from SOMEBODY.  If
GH>you won't be stocking it, then I guess I'll be buying it from someone
GH>else.

Well, let's put it this way Gary:  If it *does* come out, I'll probably be
stocking it.  Despite the problems Night Owl has had with their CD's, it
is an easy sale, if for no other reason than through name recognition.
However, I have reason to believe that 10 *might* be the last one.  If
that doesn't turn out to be the case, I'll stock 11 like everyone else,
and offer a competetive price, but if someone asks me for an honest
opinion of which ones are better, I'll give it to them......and Night Owl
won't be in my top 5.  It's really a shame that so many of the lesser
known, higher quality CD's like Cream of the Crop, Software Vault Gold,
CD Powerbox 2, etc. get ignored simply because they don't have the name
recognition that Night Owl's has.  ("Night Owl's" is a trademark
infringement by the way)

Later,
.\\ike


 * SLMR 2.1a * Perot of Borg:  Resistance?  Now that's just sad.

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From: MIKE SHANNON                           Number: 10073
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/24/93  1:07a
Subj: CD-ROM'S...WHAT'S NEW?                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

         |   Starvector Sales Bulletin #2:  TOP 5 NEW CD TITLES   |

 REBEL ASSAULT * New and hot from Lucasarts. Great interactive game.....$49
 VIRTUAL REALITY STARTER KIT * The "next dimension" for your PC.........$49
 VIDEO MOVIE GUIDE * Reviews over 12,000 movies, from "B" to the hits...$28
 CD POWERBOX 2 * The newest of the new! Current shareware hits. BBS.....$29
 GIRLS OF RISQUE * Another classy softer image disc. BBS-Ready..........$35

 STARVECTOR SOFTWARE * VISA * MC * AMEX * DISCOVER * SHIPPING: $4 to 5 pcs.
 509-457-2892 (VOICE) * 509-457-2966 (FAX) * 1-800-767-1284 (ORDERS ONLY!!)

 * SLMR 2.1a * Used taglines for $ale - 8 bits each. Call 555-FUNY

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From: MIKE SHANNON                           Number: 10074
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/24/93  1:07a
Subj: A FEW CD TITLES......                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 Hamware 1993..................23.00    Super Games For Windows.......10.00
 Health & Medical Directory....27.50    Talking Jungle Safari.........33.00
 Hobbes OS/2 10/93.............16.00    Tech Arsenal..................21.50
 Hollywood the Bizarre (New!)..39.50    Technotools...................13.00
 Holy Bible/Christian Shrware..24.00    Tempra Access Photo Software..19.00
 Home Designer (New!)..........29.00    Terrorist Group Profiles......35.00
 Horror & Sci-Fi Films (New!)..39.50    Timetable of Arts/Entertain...29.50
 House of Games................18.50    Timetable of Business/Politic.26.00
 STARVECTOR SOFTWARE * VISA * MC * AMEX * DISCOVER * SHIPPING: $4 to 5 pcs.
 509-457-2892 (VOICE) * 509-457-2966 (FAX) * 1-800-767-1284 (ORDERS ONLY!!)

 * SLMR 2.1a * Odo, is there any more jello in the fridge?  Odo?  Odo??

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From: RICK EHLERS                            Number: 10075
  To: BORIS OSADCIW                            Date: 12/22/93 11:46a
Subj: CD-ROM CATALOG                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No



Boris,
        Would you send me a copy of your CD Catalog. Your BBS number is long
        distance for me.

        Thanks.

                Rick Ehlers
                328 N. Carr Rd.
                Plainfield, IN   46168
                rick.ehlers.compustuff.com
                1:231/865

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From: RICK EHLERS                            Number: 10076
  To: JOE RINEHART                             Date: 12/22/93 11:47a
Subj: CD CATALOG                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No



Joe,
        Would you send me your CD catalog.

        Thanks.

                Rick Ehlers
                328 N. Carr Rd.
                Plainfield, IN   46168
                rick.ehlers.compustuff.com
                1:231/865

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From: BRICE FLECKENSTEIN                     Number: 10077
  To: MIKE SHANNON                             Date: 12/21/93  4:45p
Subj: NIGHT OWL 10 VIRUS REPORT               Refer: NONE
Read: NO                                    Private: No

>Word is that the six-figure damage settlement against
>them from their latest court battle will sink them.

 Some folks made the same claim about Playboy's suite against Event
Horizons....


 * SLMR 2.1a * Ring! Ring!   "Hello, Fafnir speaking."

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From: BRICE FLECKENSTEIN                     Number: 10078
  To: MICHAEL GUIDRY                           Date: 12/21/93  4:48p
Subj: LAW BOOKS                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

>West Publishing, which sells about 90% of all lawbooks produced, is starting
to
>sell statutes from all states and the federal government on cd's.

 I don't buy the 90% figure (more like 80% 8-) from what I've seen), but this
is a long overdue step....

>also selling Reporters which are collections of appellate court opinions from
>particular courts.  It's not cheap.

 Amen! If they sell the ROM versions at 50% the cost of the print versions,
they won't lose more than 1% of their net profit by "throwing in" a CD player
with a complete set of Reporters - for EACH court they cover....


 * SLMR 2.1a * He could sell sand to Fremen....

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From: BRICE FLECKENSTEIN                     Number: 10079
  To: DICK CRAVENS                             Date: 12/21/93  5:15p
Subj: PATENT ON MULTIMEDIA?                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

>BF> Comptons has MAJOR problems with those claims - too many OTHER folks
>BF>can prove "prior work".

>BF> That patent should never have been issued....

>And yet, it happened. Perhaps the legal profession, and the patent
>professionals, have some severe catching up to do where such  technologies are
>concerned.

 The Patent Office is apparently still filing a lot or most of their stuff
using the SAME identical procedures that Thomas Jefferson set up 200+ years
ago.

 This sort of thing is why there are procedures for invalidating patents....


 * SLMR 2.1a * NRA - a REAL defender of 2'nd Amendment rights!

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From: BRICE FLECKENSTEIN                     Number: 10080
  To: CHAD REID                                Date: 12/21/93  7:15p
Subj: VIRUS                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

>BO>Blaming the CD distributor ain't gonna get ya nowhere...

>Everyone has a part to do in it. I seriously dought that a shareware author is
>going to infect his program. If it does happen, it's by accident.

 It DOES happen - and on rare occcasions it does happen DELIBERATELY.

>The CD distributor is the one who gathers the files

 Nope. The CD AUTHOR gathers the files, not us distributors/dealers.


 * SLMR 2.1a * Cthulu loves you...with a tossed salad and white wine....

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From: BRICE FLECKENSTEIN                     Number: 10081
  To: GARY HUFF                                Date: 12/21/93  7:22p
Subj: PANASONIC 562                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

>We use separate speaker returns
>for reasons dating back to 1930 radios, as WELL as for protection of
>transistors.

 Not on current stuff - in fact, a LOT of current low-power stuff uses common
ground returns TODAY. It's the higher-powered "bridged" stuff that needs
seperate "common" returns per channel - and that doesn't apply ENTIRELY to
solid-state stuff, but to a few tube-type amps as well.
 Ground loops in SPEAKER leads are nothing to care about - the differential in
voltage that can be generated by such a low-impedance ground loop is too low to
affect anything in a reasonably well designed circut, especially compared to
the signal level in such circuts....


 * SLMR 2.1a * PKZIP a CLINTON.ZIP ECONOMY.USA - Imploding ECONOMY.USA

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From: BRICE FLECKENSTEIN                     Number: 10082
  To: GARY HUFF                                Date: 12/21/93  7:25p
Subj: GOOD SHAREWARE CD                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

>Rinehart's CD-ROM listing (I HOPE I spelled Joe's last name right), and
>Jeez.... if there's a CD-ROM in the world that he DOESN'T carry, I don't what
>it would be.

 Given that there are more than 5000 titles out there, Joe and I could EACH
carry our current sized lines, have NO duplications, and still leave 3000+
titles out there neither of us carry.

 I suspect there are quite a few titles I carry that he doesn't - AND vice
versa - and there are a WHOLE lot neither of us carry....

>Trane is looking for a CD-ROM that might
>have an assortment of both MS-DOS and Mac files on the same CD.

 I think I might have already answered this drectly, but Walnut Creek's "garbo"
collection fits that desciption - and nothing else I know of offhand....


 * SLMR 2.1a * I'm gonna keep you busy as a bee could be, could be....

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From: BRICE FLECKENSTEIN                     Number: 10083
  To: JOSEPH ROBERTSON                         Date: 12/21/93  7:31p
Subj: MITSUMI DOUBLE-SPIN DRIV                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

>Also, which drive will give me better performance: Mitsumi or Panasonic?

 Basically, the double-spin drives by those two groups are a tossup in
performance - no NOTICEABLE advantage to either, from what I have seen of them.

 My personal inclination is to go with the Panasonic due to the chainability,
but most folks don't have a use for more than 1 drive per machine....


 * SLMR 2.1a * Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach!

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From: BRICE FLECKENSTEIN                     Number: 10084
  To: TIM HELTON                               Date: 12/22/93  1:54p
Subj: *_RECORDABLE CD-ROMS                    Refer: NONE
Read: 12/25/93  8:53p                       Private: No

>Jeff, ads in this echo must be limited to 10 lines and posted only
>occasionally...

 Please define "occasionally".

 Once a week?
 Once a month?


 * SLMR 2.1a * If you're a Prude, EVERYTHING is Lewd....

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From: BRICE FLECKENSTEIN                     Number: 10085
  To: TIM HELTON                               Date: 12/22/93  1:57p
Subj: CDROM PRICES12/13/93                    Refer: NONE
Read: 12/25/93  8:54p                       Private: No

>->             Current Pricing for Walnut Creek CDROM Disc's

>And I'm still curious how you can survive selling CDs retail at wholesale
>prices.

 His prices are not THAT close to wholesale pricing. I've got WC's wholesale
price list, and there's a fair margin there if you can buy in large enough
quantities.

 Shoot - my pricing on most of those same ROMs was only a buck or so higher
BEFORE he started advertising, once shipping is counted in, and most of the
other dealers I know in here were around my price or very close to it on
them....


 * SLMR 2.1a * Marriages, thunder, and lightning are ALL made in Heaven

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From: BRICE FLECKENSTEIN                     Number: 10086
  To: KOMKIT LISTISARD                         Date: 12/22/93  1:59p
Subj: AT BUS & SCSI                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

>  Hi, I have a Mitsumi int D-speed here on my BBS, as you know it an AT BUS,
so
>my question is its going to be ok if I get a SCSI drive and the controller
card
>and put it in the same computer.

 Should be NO problem. I have run the old Mitsumi LU-002 drive with Adaptec and
Allways SCSI Host Adapters in the same system for almost 2 years now, no
problem - and the 16-bit Mitsumi controller you have is a LOT more flexable
than my 8-bit one!


 * SLMR 2.1a * Tribble -> *  Tribble having safe sex -> *

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From: BRICE FLECKENSTEIN                     Number: 10087
  To: LESLIE RHORER                            Date: 12/22/93  2:04p
Subj: CD ROM INFO                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> DC> Multitasking GUIs are proven, and

>        Multitasking has *NOTHING* to do with the GUI.  Why people think that
>it does is far beyond me.  Multitasking has been around over 30 years

 CLoser to 40 - DEC PDP-1 multitasked, and showed up in the early-to-mid 1960s.

>        Actually, with the price of machines, using multiple machines can be
>more cost and time effective, as well as being much more robust

 One of the FEW comments Dvorak made that I agreed with (when it was taken IN
CONTEXT)....

>        Oh, bull pookie.  There have been plenty of dumb ideas foist upon the
>public.  Some, like the GUI and government deficit spending have stuck.
>Others, like the pet rock and disco music were mercifully short lived.

 I have seen rumblings of a disco comeback lately. Also, not ALL disco was bad
- just the VAST majority of it....

>        I agree.  One of these days, someone will actually write an OS that
has
>some genuine strengths.

 QNX. OS/9 or OS/9000. Unix, though it really NEEDS a better user interface.


 * SLMR 2.1a * Jesus saves...Moses invests...Cthulu forcloses...

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From: BRICE FLECKENSTEIN                     Number: 10088
  To: CHRISTOPH STEINECKE                      Date: 12/22/93  3:19p
Subj: GROLIERS ENCYCLOPEDIA                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

>JD> "640K ought to be enough for anybody." - Bill Gates, 1981
>     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>     Did he really said that, or is this a joke ?

 I forget the context, but the quote IS accurate....


 * SLMR 2.1a * Sacred cows make GREAT Hamburger!

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From: BRICE FLECKENSTEIN                     Number: 10089
  To: ADAM BRIAND                              Date: 12/22/93  3:38p
Subj: MODE 1 AND 2                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

>Could someone tell me what the difference is between mode 2 and mode 1 on
a
>cd-rom drive?

 Mode 2 uses 2304(?) byte sectors, Mode 1 uses 2048 byte sectors. No other real
changes.

>I'm wondering what type of software utilizes each    mode?

 I don't remember the last time I heard of a Mode 1 disc - I suspect it's only
included for backwards compatability with really OLD discs....


 * SLMR 2.1a * The mice may have the right but the Cat has the claws....

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From: BRICE FLECKENSTEIN                     Number: 10090
  To: GARY HUFF                                Date: 12/22/93  3:45p
Subj: PANASONIC 562                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

>Audio that is not AC is not audio at all...

 Actually, audio that IS "AC" is not audio at all - audio is SOUND, not
current.

 Don't you hate pickey people!

 8-)


 * SLMR 2.1a * Catty:  An afternoon gathering of gossips.

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From: BRICE FLECKENSTEIN                     Number: 10091
  To: MIKE BILOW                               Date: 12/22/93  3:50p
Subj: MITSUMI CD                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

>In the case of the Adaptec AH-154x, the options are:

>ROM Address:       C8000h, CC000h, D8000h, DC000h (default) Base Address:
>130h, 134h, 230h, 234h, 330h (default), 334h SCSI IRQ:          9, 10, 11
>(default), 12, 14, 15 SCSI DMA DREQ:     0, 5 (default), 6, 7 SCSI DMA DACK:
> 0, 5 (default), 6, 7 SCSI Bus Speed:    5.0 MHz (default), 5.7 MHz, 6.7 MHz,
>8.0 MHz SCSI Bus Parity:   Enable (default), Disable SCSI Synchronous:
Enable,
>Disable (default)

 The older Adaptec 154x versions actually supported a wider range on most of
these - the original 1540 covered ALL Base Address possibilities from roughly
108h to roughly 360h, for example, as well as ALL IRQ addresses from 5 or so to
15....

>There are certain external restrictions.  If you are going to use the AH-154x
>ROM to boot from one of the SCSI devices under any operating system, then the
>controller must be on base address 330h and there must be no IDE hard drives
in
>the system.

 That sort of thing is true for ANY SCSI adapter I know of.


 * SLMR 2.1a * Try it, it tastes like Chocolate....

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From: MICHIEL LOERMANS                       Number: 10092
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/19/93  1:43p
Subj: Question                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Howdi All!

I've Got a Panasonic CD-ROM drive connected and I was wondering what the
Fastest solution is to speed up this thingy at maximum Transfer rate.

        1.) Use of the controller which was delivered with the CD-ROM (8 bit)
        2.) Use of an Other controller Like SCSI (fill me in on this)
        3.) GUS option board. I don't know how much it costs and what the
advantages are so.....

Does it makes a lot of difference if the controller is 8 bit or 16 bit. I also
was wondering if Cache makes a lot of difference.. (I Use SmartCd with 512 Kb
Cache)

Anyway Thanx.....

My Regards,

Michiel

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From: PETER STASSEN                          Number: 10093
  To: MIKE BILOW                               Date: 12/21/93  6:30p
Subj: Pioneer DRM 604X info                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Mike,

 >  PS> Do you use a SCSI-interface ?

 > It is required.  The SCSI adapter must support ASPI
 > and must support multiple LUNs per PUN; the different
 > disks are addressed as different LUNs while the
 > complete device is addressed as one PUN.  Adaptec will
 > work.

Could you explain what ASPI, PUN and LUN means ?

Can you also tell me what the differences are between the adaptec aha-154x and
aha 1640 ?

Greatings, Peter

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From: STEAN SNYMAN                           Number: 10094
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/21/93  9:00a
Subj: T7G Maze                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello All!

Please don't tell me I need to figure out that MAZE in t7g?..  Isn't there an
easier way?.. (I HATE mazes, and I don't classify them as puzzles :))

I recently did all the puzzles I could without doing the maze, and it gave me
access to some more rooms, and I tried my hand at the card flipping puzzle..
Didn't finish it though, but saved my game..  Next time I went and wala, I
didn't have access to the card-flipping room any more :(..  Is there something
I'm missing?..  (I already revisited all the rooms, and I can't get in anywhere
else than to the grate/maze thingy...)

Thanks
Stean

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From: JERRY THOMSON                          Number: 10095
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/24/93  3:21a
Subj: CD ROM Catalogs Wanted                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Could some of the CD-ROM distributors mail me some Catalogs on CD-ROM disks so
I can pick and add some more to my BBS?  I will leave my mailing address below:

Jerry Thomson
4973 Northlawn
Sterling Heights, Mi 48031

Thanks.......

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From: KEVIN PLUMMER                          Number: 10096
  To: HERMAN WIGGINS                           Date: 12/24/93  1:54p
Subj: Re: Monster Media                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On 22 Dec 93  10:08:30, I heard Herman Wiggins shout to All:

HW> Hello All!
HW>
HW> Has anyone ever heard of a BBS ready Cd-rom called Monster Media..if so
HW> I would like to get a copy of it...I am using Wildcat BBS therefore it
HW> must be have files.bbs thanks for any help anyone maybe able to give me
HW> on this CD...

Yes,  I have this disk... Like it alot.   Call Hershel Saylor at (317)
881-9391 he has it.


                             ......|<evin

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From: LOEL THOMPSON                          Number: 10097
  To: IVAN BALABUCK                            Date: 12/21/93  9:50a
Subj: Re: your CDROM list                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting Ivan Balabuck to Loel Thompson <=-

 IB> Hi Loel, could you send me a copy of your list?
 IB> Sens it to:
 IB> Keith Dreher
 IB> 3611Boyle ST.
 IB> Regina Sask.
 IB> Canada
 IB> S4V-2H5

 Sorry--I'm not the person that has a CD list.  IF Joe Rinehart at P. O.
 Box 27, Kent, OH 44240-0001 copies this note he should send his list to
 you.

 Loel  Hudson OH


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From: FRANK MURPHY                           Number: 10098
  To: BORIS OSADCIW                            Date: 12/22/93  2:19p
Subj: CATALOGUE DOWNLOAD                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


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From: TIM HELTON                             Number: 10099
  To: BRICE FLECKENSTEIN                       Date: 12/25/93  9:01p
Subj: *_RECORDABLE CD-ROMS                    Refer: 12569
Read: NO                                    Private: No

-> >Jeff, ads in this echo must be limited to 10 lines and posted only
-> >occasionally...
->
->  Please define "occasionally".
->
->  Once a week?
->  Once a month?

I mean occasionally as is occasionally, as defined in the "use your
brain" section of the CDROM policies & procedures manual.

tim
co-moderator
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From: ALAN LAYARD                            Number: 10100
  To: ERIC JAN                                 Date: 12/24/93  4:08p
Subj: Game Card                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

  >recommended to have a seperate game I/O card for joystick... he claimed
  >that the game port built in the sound card is not fast enough for 486s..
  >I have a 486 and a ProAudio Spectrum 16, which has a game port built in
  >it.. do I really need a seperate game card for joystick... if yes.. do I

 Hello, I have a Gravis Ultrasound, which has a built in MIDI/Game port,
and the software that came bundled with the card includes a utility that
will compensate for the faster speed of a 486 CPU by "slowing" the port
down. The calibration program for the stick will additionally determine
a value for your stick/system combination that you add to your
autoexec.bat file.
 This seems to contradict what your associate claims insofar that the
higher of class the CPU is, the quicker the action on the stick.
Therefore, one could theorize that the utility to which I'm referring
actually provides "wait states" to provide the user with a more bearable
degree of control that doesn't promote overcompensation.


>* OLX 1.51 * (1) Cheap, (2) Fast, (3) Reliable.  Pick two.
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From: SHARON GUILLAUME                       Number: 10101
  To: KIRK BAXTER                              Date: 12/23/93  5:20a
Subj: World Atlas Programs                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I also just got a CD-Rom, and was given a USA Atlas as a gift.  It is Street
Atlas USA, by DeLorme.  I love it.  It shows virtually every street in the
country, and can zero in on a single block, searching by street number.  You
can also search and locate by zip code and telephone number (area code and
prefix).  I'm having a lot of fun with it.  In fact, my only criticism is that
you can't search by attractions such as Toledo Zoo, although some such places
are defined on the map.

The CD includes a catalog of the company's other products and one of them is a
World Atlas.  I'm sure it can't have quite the same detail, and I don't know
how accurate it is given the recent changes in polital boundaries, but you
might want to take a look.

If you do, please let me know what you think of it.

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From: RICHARD KURTH                          Number: 10102
  To: *********** FREE HUGE CD                 Date: 12/24/93 11:03p
Subj: For The largest selectio                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Please send me a list of your CD

Richard Kurth
4118 Brookview Way
Las Vegas, NV. 89121
Thank You

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From: CHAD REID                              Number: 10103
  To: JEFF MASTERMAN                           Date: 12/24/93 11:14a
Subj: Encyclopedia                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JM>Would someone please comment on the available encyclopedias. I am thinking
JM>about buying 94'Encarta but I can get Comptons for about the same money. I w
JM>to know which package has the most useful information for my daughters age 1
JM>and 13. Thanks.

I think World Book puts out a pretty good CD, I would go with them. They
are the best Encyclopedia company around.


Chad


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From: RICKY BOOTH                            Number: 10104
  To: JOHN ALEXANDER                           Date: 12/24/93  8:24p
Subj: Great Games???                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Still, The game was pretty fun.

Yeah, it was like a cartoon. It was cool.


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From: SAMUEL SPINSTEIN                       Number: 10105
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/23/93 11:13p
Subj: Panasonic 562                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Yeah, I recently purchased Dune on CD, and it tests the output of the drive.
Well, it keeps saying that this double speed drive is outputting a maximum of
225 kb/sec.  What is wrong here?
The Panasonic 562 is an At bus Cd Rom and it is hooked into a Aztech Sound
Galaxy NX Pro 16.
Also does disk caches like Norton Speed Drive work for game palying ( I mean
speed up the rate)?
One more question, has anyone played The Journeyman Project by Quadra
Interactive?


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From: JOSH LONG                              Number: 10106
  To: JIM LAMBERT                              Date: 12/24/93  5:58p
Subj: Re: Big Sky Special                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 JL> Big Sky Rom I  - The Downloader's Rom    $26.00
 JL>
 JL> Big Sky Rom II - Top Drawer (Pre-Orders) $19.00
 JL>
 JL> Top Drawer will soon be released!  This disc has our highest
 JL> recommendation for a top notch BBS Ready CD-Rom.  You will not find
 JL> a better shareware disc for your money!

Why does the newer, 'highest recomendation" better disc cost less?


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From: JIM HOBBS                              Number: 10107
  To: RYAN KEEFER                              Date: 12/24/93  7:53a
Subj: Re: Wanted Beatles CD                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  JB> It's available from CD-ROM WAREHOUSE, 1-800-237-6623, <$30.

And when I ordered it, it was the only place that had it in stock (I tried
several stores in town, and several mail order; it is apparently hard to keep
in stock).

        Jim
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From: JIM HOBBS                              Number: 10108
  To: JACK WIGGINS                             Date: 12/24/93  7:59a
Subj: BATTLECHESS                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > I'm sure that I saw (at one time before I had a CD) Battlechess on a CD-ROM
 > disk version. [...] still available?

Yes; shop around, there is a 100% difference in price from supplier to
supplier.  Or ask your favorite supplier, "Is that the current price?"

        Jim

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From: JAMES SUMMERS                          Number: 10109
  To: RICK PEDLEY                              Date: 12/24/93 10:14a
Subj: Re: Creative labs edutainment           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message to James Summers <12-22-93 22:54> Rick Pedley wrote:

> JS>Hello-
>
> JS>I was thinking about the purchase of a Creative LAbs Edutaiment 16
> JS>cd-rom kit.  Does anyone have this or any otherr "16" kits from
> JS>creative labs?  I just wanted some true user feedback.  It
> JS>would be helpful to say how  the product works and runs on a
> JS>486dx50 machine.
>
> The CDROM drive that Creative Labs sells is (to my knowledge) a
> Panasonic 562 with a different label on it, and I've seen it listed
> separately for almost $100 more than the Panasonic drive. This alone
> would make me look at what's in the kit very closely and see if I
> couldn't get those same parts separately and at more competitive
> prices (minus the stuff I didn't really need or want anyway). What
> else is in this kit?
>
> Rick
>
>  * DeLuxe2 1.26b #9691 *
>
> --- InterPCB 1.52
>  * Origin: CrossRoads * Kingston, Ont. Canada (1:249/1)

The kit has a 16 bit sound cards and some software.

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From: JAMES SUMMERS                          Number: 10110
  To: ALEX FALARDEAU                           Date: 12/24/93 10:16a
Subj: Re: Creative labs edutainment           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Thanks for you coments!  I hope I can get the thing now!
Merry Christmas
James Summers

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From: DAVID REMER                            Number: 10111
  To: SEAN SINICO                              Date: 12/24/93  8:23a
Subj: Re: Toshiba drivers?                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

SS>        I'm not so much ripped at Toshiba, as I am at the place I
SS>bought the  drive when I was assured that, "All you'll need to do is
SS>plug in the card,  connect the drive and type install.  The rest will
SS>take care of itself."  Who knows?
SS>        Out of cursitoy, and a bit of noseiness, what option are you
SS>taking?

Well, I am installing OS2 2.1 to see if OS2 Dos and OS2 Win sessions
will utilize the drive without any special drivers. If not, I will
look to return the drive if others are available at same or lower cost
with drivers bundled.

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From: AL BRATLIE                             Number: 10112
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/24/93  4:15p
Subj: Advice, please...                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

        Like many people, I am planning on getting a CD drive for my system
soon. Recenly I was at Egghead, and Computer City stores, and actually heard
sales people suggesting to people that they DON'T BUY a CD Drive yet, as
they expect some MAJOR price drops in the first quarter of 94. Is this just
another rumor, or is the demand bringing the production volume up to a point
where the prices are going to be comming down ?
        Then of course I have the same questions as other newbees to this
realm. SCSI or not SCSI ? I have been told by several people that SCSI is the
way to go, but no one has told me why. I already have 2 IDE hard drives on
my system, so I don't know if the normal CD adapter cards will work.
        I have been looking at the SB16-ASP-SCSI-2 card. I would like to know
if this card will meet my needs for the next several years. That is, will it
be easy to find a drive to hook up to it ? Does it meet the MPC2 or whatever
standard is desirable to meet ? Is the card reliable ?
        I see double, and tripple speed drives on the market now. Just how
fast are these things going to get ? I would hate to be stuck with something
that 'just meets' the demands of todays software, but will become obsolete
in a year. Are any of these drives upgradable ?
        For the most part, the CD-Drive will be used for entertainment, and
possibly education, depending on the software avalible. From what I read this
means it needs to be fast enough for animation, video, and the like.
        Thanks in advance! Any comments welcome.
        Later,
                Al


... Blue Wave - World Tour - 1993
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From: WILLIAM SCHNEIDER, JR.                 Number: 10113
  To: BOB DUNN                                 Date: 12/23/93  2:03p
Subj: Wanted Beatles CD                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BD>JB> JB>  Beatles Hard Days Night CD-RoM !!!!

BD>JB> It's available from CD-ROM WAREHOUSE, 1-800-237-6623, <$30.
BD>
BD>It's only for a MAC though, right? Is there a DOS version coming
BD>out?

The Windows Quick Time version is now out.

-William


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From: WILLIAM SCHNEIDER, JR.                 Number: 10114
  To: SHAWN ADAMSSON                           Date: 12/23/93  2:12p
Subj: SB16 & Panasonic 562                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

SA>I purchased a Panasonic 562 Doublespeed CD-ROM last week and am
SA>having problems getting it to work properly.  I have two problems
SA>basically.
SA>So I gave up on getting the drive to work with the SB16 and just put
SA>in the interface that came with the drive and it works ... kinda.
SA>When my machine boots now the drivers detect the presence of 4 ...
SA>CDcount'em 4 -ROMS ...???  The version of the drivers that I am using
SA>CDis MKE41.SYS dated 03-25-1993 .... has anybody else experienced
SA>this? I beleive that this one is the fault of the drivers as I have
SA>installed the same unit with the same interface at the office in a
SA>486DX-40 and have experienced the same problem.

Hello Shawn. I think that your whole problem is the jumper setting on
the back of the drive. I beleive that there are jumpers 0-3 (?), and if
you only have one drive, put the jumper on '0'. I've never heard of the
'mke41.sys' drivers, where did you get this? I use the 'Golden1' drivers
that came with my drive, and had it working with both a Sound Blaster
Pro and a Sound Blaster 16 without a hitch. Well, I did have to copy the
current version of MSCDEX from my DOS 6.0 directory to the GSPRO
directory to get DOS to see the drive. I hope that this helps you out,
let me know if it does.

-William


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From: AL RAMIREZ                             Number: 10115
  To: RICKY BOOTH                              Date: 12/23/93  9:23a
Subj: seventh Guest                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

World of Xeen consists of clouds of xeen and darkside of xeen on two cd roms.
It has beeen enhanced with 200 talking characters but other than that the games
are the same as the floppy versions.  I really like the xeen series it is kind
of like ultima wilth a whole world to explore.  It has cloud worlds and places
in teh wilderness to explore etc...   The game also comes with the hint books
so its a real bargain at just $40.
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From: LAWRENCE MINTZ                         Number: 10116
  To: MARSHALL FREEDLAND                       Date: 12/22/93  7:10p
Subj: Amiga And Nec-38 Multi                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > I know that there are probably not many fellow
 > Amigazoids on the echo, but
 > just in case... I just won an NEC-38 MultiSpin and
 > have it connected to my
 > Amiga 3000, daisy-chained from my external Syquest
 > (ain't SCSI just
 > grand?!).  There are a few problems that I've run into
 > and I am wonder if
 > anyone else with this or a similar configuration can
 > offer some advice.
 > Mostly, I get some checksum error messages when I try
 > to open a file on a
 > partition on one of the two hard drives I have inside
 > my A3000.  When the
 > NEC is not connected, there are no errors. In fact, I
 > ran a test, a check
 > of the whole drive with a SCSI tester and it found
 > nary an error. Not one.
 > But that was with the NEC disconnected and the
 > terminator block on the
 > Syquest.

 > But when it's connected, I get a slew of errors.  The
 > NEC runs fine
 > (it's on now as I am typing this, playing some classic
 > Jazz), but I'd like
 > to get rid of the checksum error problem.  It was
 > suggested that I get a
 > new Proto SCSI chip and it's on its way now.  In the
 > meantime, someone
 > else suggested that I get a second, GVP SCSI II
 > controller card.  I'd
 > rather opt for the chip because it's cheaper.  If
 > anyone has any input,
 > I'd like to hear from you.

You didn't state whether you always had the LAST drive in the SCSI chain
terminated, and ONLY the last drive.   Ie. when the CD-ROM is on, the
terminator should be after the CD-ROM drive and NOT on the disk drive and when
the CD-ROM is removed, the terminator obviously goes on the last disk drive.
Unfortunately, that is the limit of my knowledge of Amiga 3000s and SCSI.  My
3000 only has a tape drive external to the chassis, and it is terminated.

Larry

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From: JIM LAMBERT                            Number: 10117
  To: MATT DELCO                               Date: 12/20/93  5:17p
Subj: Big Sky Special                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

                        ****** Big Sky Rom ******

 *  7024 Archives, 664,860,429 bytes of downloadable archives.
 *  All archives use Pkzip 2.04g maximum compression.
 *  All files scanned with McAfee Associates SCAN 9.15 V104
 *  All archives contain a FILE_ID.DIZ to identify them. This feature
    saves the receiving sysops loads of work!
 *  All files are True Date Stamped based on the largest file.
 *  All archives compared to the latest Hack Report lists to remove
    any illegal, commercial, or hacked programs.
 *  No unnecessary files or directories cluttering the disc.

Big Sky Rom I  - The Downloader's Rom    $26.00

Big Sky Rom II - Top Drawer (Pre-Orders) $19.00

Top Drawer will soon be released!  This disc has our highest
recommendation for a top notch BBS Ready CD-Rom.  You will not find
a better shareware disc for your money!

Computer Works
CD-Rom Sales!
[phone] Voice           Online Credit Card & COD Orders
[phone] BBS        Download CATALOG.ZIP for our full catalog.

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From: JIM LAMBERT                            Number: 10118
  To: CRAIG DEERE                              Date: 12/20/93  5:25p
Subj: Shareware                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

CD>Where can I get a good listing(s) of CD-Rom shareware available.  There
  >was a nice brochure given out at a SIG mtg. but no name or address.

Hi Craig.  We have plenty to choose from, and file lists available for
download on most of them.  For a catalog, give us a call or post your
address and I'll mail it to you.  You can also download the list with
descriptions from our support BBS.  Let me know if you have any
questions or need a recommendation.

Computer Works                                          Jim...
CD-Rom Sales!
[phone] Voice
[phone] BBS      Online Orders, File Lists, Catalogs

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From: WALTER CHISENSKI                       Number: 10119
  To: DAVID WHITMAN                            Date: 12/23/93  9:59p
Subj: TruVideo/Digital Pic.                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

     Well David, from what I know (having both Sega CD and IBM CD-ROM) for
right now, the Sega CD probally has more to offer in the way of
TruVideo/Digital Pictures (the companies that make the 'video' games). Rebel
Assault isn't complete video, just parts of the game are. By the way Rebel
Assault will soon be out on the Sega CD format.  Sega CD has games such as:
Night Trap, Double Switch(NEW), Ground Zero Texas(NEW), Sewer Shark, Prize
Fighter, and some others that use FULL MOTION VIDEO in ALL of the game or in
parts of the game.  At last count Sega CD had about 25-30 games out for it, and
the system has been out for just over 1 year.  I can't think of too many games
on IBM format that use full motion video in the full game (I'm sure there are
some out there!).  I can tell you having both systems are a ton of fun!
                                         Walter Chisenski


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From: RICKY BOOTH                            Number: 10120
  To: KYLE MACHULIS                            Date: 12/24/93 12:26a
Subj: CD-ROM                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  I'd Recommend the Mitsumi.....

Mitsumi's are cheap. I'd reccomend a philips over a mitsumi any day. Panasonic,
NEC, or Pioneer are the best.


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From: RICKY BOOTH                            Number: 10121
  To: KYLE MACHULIS                            Date: 12/24/93 12:26a
Subj: Good Shareware Cds                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  Night Owl (Can remember the newest version...) Pheniox 4 is

You're kidding right? Night Owl is crap. And Pheonix is worse. Cream of the
Crop or Pier is the way to go!


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From: JOSEPH THOMAS                          Number: 10122
  To: ROSS FOCKE                               Date: 12/24/93  7:47a
Subj: Re: Mitsumi Lu005s                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JT>  When I installed MS Encarta, it said my Mitsumi Lu005s is
 RF> any single speed drive would come up slow. The new MPC2 is 300 cps data
 RF> transfer rate.
 RF> The trouble I have with Encarta is that it won't run with Icon-Hear-it.
         My Encarta will not make any sound
        but comptons or Toolworks makes all the sounds and animation.
  Thanks for your reply.  Have a nice holiday season.


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From: JOSEPH THOMAS                          Number: 10123
  To: ERIK MCKIBBEN                            Date: 12/24/93  7:49a
Subj: Mitsumi Lu005s                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 EM> What is the data transfer rate?  If it's single speed
 EM> then it could be too slow.  How is your sound hardware
 EM> setup? (What's your CD drives's sound output connected
 EM> to?)
           It is Mitsumi Lu005s and rate 350 ms and 150kb
  manufactured Feb. 93, I guess. Tnx.


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From: TIM SCHOOLER                           Number: 10124
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/23/93  8:17p
Subj: CDROM DRIVE                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Sony CDU-541 SCSI I/II internal CDROM drive. Low usage, fast drive, excellent
condition. 150kb Sustained Transfer rate, capable of 1.5 meg burst DTR.
Continuous read, MPC compliant. Includes your choice of Microsoft Cinemania or
Software Toolworks/Grolier's Encyclopedia for Windows.

                                 *125.00*



Word Perfect 6.0 for Windows. All Docs, Disks and Manuals. Sell or Trade.

            call 1-318-988-1404 or netmail 1:3803/1.4


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From: TIM SCHOOLER                           Number: 10125
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/23/93  8:17p
Subj: CDROM DRIVE                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Sony CDU-541 SCSI I/II internal CDROM drive. Low usage, fast drive, excellent
condition. 150kb Sustained Transfer rate, capable of 1.5 meg burst DTR.
Continuous read, MPC compliant. Includes your choice of Microsoft Cinemania or
Software Toolworks/Grolier's Encyclopedia for Windows.

                                 *125.00*



Word Perfect 6.0 for Windows. All Docs, Disks and Manuals. Sell or Trade.

            call 1-318-988-1404 or netmail 1:3803/1.4


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From: MICHAEL GUIDRY                         Number: 10126
  To: SEAN SINICO                              Date: 12/23/93 11:31p
Subj: Scsiworks                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On 21 Dec 93, Sean Sinico stated to All:

SS>Hello everyone.
SS>
SS>I have just finished talking with a Tech rep. at the place where I
SS>my CD-ROM with a problem.  He told me very assurdly that I had a dr
SS>problem.  He also said that it would be fixed by a program called
SS>SCSIworks.
SS>However I do not know of any place where I could purchase this.  If
SS>has any information about where I could find this program, or even
SS>somewhere
SS>I could downloade it or purchase it if need be.
SS>Thank you for ANY information.
SS>
SS>sean sinico
SS>


This is an excerpt from a mediavision doc.

To obtain SCSI or ASPI drivers for other
types of SCSI devices (optical drives, hard disks, removable drives, etc.
), contact Trantor Systems at 1-800-TRANTOR (872-6867).  Get the product
called SCSIworks! by Trantor.


I understand that SCSIworks costs $70-$80.



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From: JULIEN PIERRE                          Number: 10127
  To: GORDON PETERSON                          Date: 12/23/93  2:38a
Subj: THIS ECHO                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JP>>CDROM_SALE is available on my new board, ChaOS/2 BBS, which started about
a JP>month ago ! JP>And I'm not picking it up from Germany, but from another
Paris board (which JP>it in "passthru" mode I think, so that normal callers
can't access it) !

 GP> How bizarre that they wouldn't let their normal callers have it!  Do
 GP> you know of any PCBoards or Wildcat boards here in Paris that carry it?
 GP> (Yours, even?)   :-)

No, that's not so bizarre in fact; Li'll bbs is known for being a mailgate and
is transporting *lots* of mail for other BBSes interested (and then the sysops
have to pay, of course). But the mail often doesn't stay on lill's (or TLV's or
Bubulle's) hard disk, because it's much too large. It just goes to the other
BBSes (like ChaOS/2) and that's it.
That was a bit of Fidonet technogoly.

As for PCBoard/Wildcat, why do you insist on them ? My BBS runs Maximus, and
works (well, I haven't redisigned the menus fully , but for english-speaking
people like us, that's ok). If you choose the 'french' option, you get in fact
a bizarre mixture of french and english menus ;-(( Don't do that.
Why not try it ? It's not so far from Paris, ya know ! You're welcome on
ChaOS/2, Gordon. And despite of its name, my BBS is not entirely devoted to
OS/2 : you can find one hundred conferences here; and if I try to get all
possible OS/2 conferences; there are all other standard Fidonet echoes too. And
even some Usenet ones very soon ...!

I realise this is rather a personal message and not a CDROM related post, but
I'm not sure you have access to netmail. Is it okay for me to route the message
to Gordon Peterson at 2:320/203 (if yes, reply by netmail to 2:320/215) ? If
you don't know about it, then it's probably impossible. Your sysop may or may
not let his users access the Netmail area. I don't yet, but it's planned. But
the sysop always can access the NetMail, and I'm the sysop ;-)

Looking forward to hearing from you,
Julien

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From: MIKE MAZZOLA                           Number: 10128
  To: GARY HUFF                                Date: 12/23/93  7:19p
Subj: Panasonic 562/AT Bus interface card     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Gary,

GH>IDE.  I don't know why you would be getting that SCSI message.

Had the wrong drivers.  I downloaded the the proper dirvers only to find the
AT card was bad.  A frind lent me his SB20 CD card(?) and drivers that now runs
the CD-drive.  Multimedia is sending a replacement for the AT bus card and I'll
have to wait to see how that'll go. No docs came with the drive, just the care
and cleaning of CDRoms :-{ and specs on the drive.  I'm wondering if you know
what the 25pin female plug on the AT Bus care is for?  The SB card has the same
type connector, but looks more like a 40 pin plug??

GH>Add to CONFIG.SYS:
GH>DEVICE=C:\CDROMDRV\CDMKE43.SYS /D:LASERWAV
GH>Add to AUTOEXEC.BAT:
GH>C:\CDROMDRV\MSCDEX.EXE /S /V /D:LASERWAV /L:x /M:8

The installtion prg didn't add the above lines to either auto or config files.
My Autoexec reads:
C:\dos\mscdex.exe /V /D:msed001 /M:15
C:\dos\smartdrv.exe
Set Blaster=A220 I7 D1 T3 {He also lent me a Sound Blaster card}
Config.sys reads:
Device=C:\sbcd\sbcd.sys /D:MSCD001 /P:250 /T:12 /S:A0

I'll try adding the commands you suggest.

Thanks again for taking the time to help.

..Mike


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From: JOSEPH THOMAS                          Number: 10129
  To: JEFF MASTERMAN                           Date: 12/24/93  8:46a
Subj: Encyclopedia                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 JM> Would someone please comment on the available
 JM> encyclopedias. I am thinking about buying 94'Encarta
 JM> but I can get Comptons for about the same money. I want
 JM> to know which package has the most useful information
          If they use one in their school, then get the same kind
  as it is easy for them to use.
       Basically Comptons and Encarta are equally good at $79.00
  some magazines say Encarta is slightly above the rest.  Tnx.
  Seasons' greetings.


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From: JOE RINEHART                           Number: 10130
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/23/93  4:33a
Subj: !free Cd catalog!                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

*********** FREE HUGE CD-ROM DISC & accessories CATALOG!*************
For the largest selection & lowest prices, get our NEW catalog...
If you'd like a printed copy, send your mailing information to us.
We offer CDLIST file attach's upon request.
CATALOG FREQ: cdlist.zip    (over 1,100 cd-rom disc titles available)
        Internet: [e-mail]
    FidoNet: 1:157/479 - RBBSNet 8:965/13 - KesherNet 18:711/176
Joe Rinehart / config.sys, Inc.    Voice: [phone]  -  24 hours
P.O. Box 27                        Data/Fax: (216) 296-GIGO(4446) ZyX
Kent, Ohio 44240-0001              >>>INTERNATIONAL ORDERS WELCOME<<<

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From: JOE RINEHART                           Number: 10131
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/23/93  4:33a
Subj: Refurbished Cd-rom drives               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 *********** Refurbished  Hitachi Model 3600 CD-ROM DRIVES ***********
These are the long awaited refurbished drives, 1 step above Model 3500
    Great for BBS usage, buy 8 drives and get an instant 5.44 Gigs!
          IN-STOCK READY TO SHIP  Daisy-chainable to 8 drives!
    $130.00 bare unit, 30 day warrantee, 680 meg, avg. speed 380mls.
           Internet: [e-mail]
      FidoNet 1:157/479 - RBBSNet 8:965/13 - KesherNet 18:711/176
Joe Rinehart / config.sys, Inc.     Voice: [phone]  -  24 hours
P.O. Box 27                         Data/Fax: (216) 296-GIGO(4446) ZyX
Kent, Ohio 44240-0001               >>>INTERNATIONAL ORDERS WELCOME<<<

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From: JOE RINEHART                           Number: 10132
  To: JACK WIGGINS                             Date: 12/22/93  9:30p
Subj: CD-ROM INFO HELP!!                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >>     It really depends what you are looking for in a drive.  If you
 >> want to plan for adding rom-drives in the future (daisy chaining)
 >> for bbs use, then you might want to look at some other models as
 >> well.  Mitsumi drives can not be daisy chained, but if you are
 >> useing them for personnal use, it wouldn't matter.

 > I just saw a text file regarding how to daisy chain Mitsumi drives.
 > Didn't download it because of time considerations but if this is
 > something wanted, I'll be happy to go get the file and see what it
 > says.

    I should have said that the low priced Mitsumi's weren't designed to be
daisy chained.  If I'm wrong, let me know.  Sorry about that.
    Joe

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From: MIKE BILOW                             Number: 10133
  To: BRICE FLECKENSTEIN                       Date: 12/24/93  9:06a
Subj: MITSUMI CD                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

MB> The Mitsumi card is not SCSI at all, but a variant of IDE.  However, a
MB> standard IDE controller used for hard drives cannot be used with the
MB> Mitsumi drive, nor will the Mitsumi card conflict with a standard IDE
MB> controller.

 BF> It's best not to confuse the issue by mentioning IDE at all. Mitsumi
 BF> interface is NOT IDE, no matter where it may have derived from.

You're right, but I think my comment was in the context of a reply on that
issue.  Also, different CD-ROM drive manufacturers choose to define their
connectors in different and incompatible ways.

MB> Neither a standard IDE card nor the Mitsumi card will prevent installing
MB> an Adaptec SCSI card later.  (There are some issues with using the Adaptec
MB> ROM to support SCSI hard drives if there are also two IDE hard drives, but
MB> that is not the discussion here.)

 BF>  Always IN-2000 doesn't have that problem.

I had not planned to get into that issue.  An Adaptec will support hard drives
even if there are two IDE drives also installed, but there are some
restrictions.  First, the SCSI drives cannot be used as boot devices, and the
boot must be from one of the IDE drives -- that's a restriction imposed by the
system BIOS, not the controller.  Second, the software drivers appropriate for
the Adaptec card must be loaded from CONFIG.SYS instead of using ROM-only
support.

 BF>  * SLMR 2.1a * Dare a kzin follow where a puppeteer leads?

What's a "kzin?"  I can't find that in any dictionary.

-- Mike

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From: WESLEY CHEW                            Number: 10134
  To: DANIEL PRINCE                            Date: 12/24/93  2:42a
Subj: 7TH GUEST WORKS FINE WITH SONY CD       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Daniel Prince wrote on 12.23.93
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

DP>My brother can't get 7th Guest to run on his system which has a
DP>Sony single speed proprietary CDROM drive.  I think I have seen a
DP>message from someone else that couldn't get it to run on a
DP>proprietary Sony SS CDROM.

DP>Has anyone else tried to run 7th Guest on one of these Sony
DP>drives?  What were the results?  Did you get past the
DP>introduction?  Thank you in advance for all replies.


I've run 7th Guest on my Sony CD31A drive from the MediaVision Fusion16
MPC upgrade kit without any problem what-so-ever. I've managed to solve
a couple of the puzzles. Hope that answer your question!

Wes
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From: MARK CRANWELL                          Number: 10135
  To: JACK WIGGINS                             Date: 12/22/93  8:41p
Subj: Night Owl 10                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JW> > And you might be too young to remember that EVERY release of Night
JW> > Owls has had commercial programs and/or virus problems.  EVERY ONE
JW> > OF THEM!  The folks putting Night Owls together do NOT take
JW> > necessary precautions, and the courts are having a field day with
JW> > Mr. Graham (aka Night Owl Publisher).

JW>That's a very interesting statement.  Since we have a local BBS running not
JW>only the NightOwl 10 disk (with infected files locked out)
JW>but the NightOwl 9 disk as well, I'd like to hear what
JW>files on the 9 disk are infected.  I'll test em and get
JW>this statement cleared up pronto.



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JW> * Origin: Treasure Chest ML-TBBS - South Bend, IN [phone] (1:227/3)

Hi Jack so do you know anything on nowl 10.1 as we like nowl rom but
like you said ther not take precautions if you know anything on it can
you let me know Thanks!!!

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From: MARK CRANWELL                          Number: 10136
  To: AL RAMIREZ                               Date: 12/23/93 11:39a
Subj: Movie CD                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

AR>I also am a movie buff and own Cinemania 92.  I don't think
AR>the new version is worth the $65 price.  It only contains a
AR>few thousand more moviesand some clips.  Have you tried the
AR>golden retriever software??  Is Psycotronic coming out with
AR>their own software?
AR>--- RA 2.01+/GEcho 1.01+
AR> * Origin: Fresno Area Amiga eXchange - [phone] - *HST/DS* (1:205/40)

Hi Al I am try to get in to cd-rom moves but have not figer it out yet
it is runed in windows is that right I would like to know and if you can
tell if nowl has moves on it or what cd I need to buy have a good x-mas
and a happy new year.
___
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From: JACK LEAMY                             Number: 10137
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/24/93  9:53a
Subj: Sony Cdrom Scsi                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


ALL:
Put aside my 386 for a 486x50. Scusi Adaptex instaled......... harddrive 0
is 200 meg(drive C); harddrive 1 is SCSI 700mg(Drives d&e).    Windows 3.1
on Dos 6.2 with DoubleSpace installed and working great.  Non compressed
drive is drive I  last drive is drive M.  The Sony Cd should be drive f but
no luck so far.  The CD (in a scsi box ) used to work ok in OS2 but I used
Fdisk to delete it as it was so pernickety and I got too tired of
control,alt,delete. Anyway OS2 is gone and I dont know how to set up the Son
(scsi) CDROM to work in Windows.  I had no trouble setting up my Creative
labs CDROM on my 386 but then I did not have SCSI   and I did have the
original setup disk and ,amual for the CDRom.  So can you help?   I have
sb16 installed and 16 meg of RAM.
What entries do I need in my auto exec.bat and config.sys? for the adaptex
card and the CDRom.  In case it is not clear...... I do not have a an
install disk for the Sony CdROM drive.

And a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and all those you
hold dear.

jack



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From: GARY KELLISON                          Number: 10138
  To: MICHAEL MURPHY                           Date: 12/15/93  9:51p
Subj: SD Zoo/Animals help?                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Michael, I agree with much of your well reasoned reply.   True, the
interface of the San Diego Zoo Animals CD-ROM may be a good feature for
many people.  Personally, I just expect a high degree of uniformity
across Windows apps.

I have a quick test for the quality of a CD-ROM product:   Try launching
it when the CD-ROM disk isn't in the machine.   San Diego Zoo Animals
throws up the default "Application Error" message box.   Chessmaster
3000, on the other hand, gives a "CD-ROM is not in drive; please insert"
or some similar message.   I agree Chessmaster IS a quality product
that takes good advantage of multimedia.  Annoucing the moves played is
one sensible example of how to incorporate sound.  I can't wait until
Software Toolworks brings out a CD-ROM version of Chessmaster 4000,
which is curresntly out on floppies.


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From: STEVE DANIELS                          Number: 10139
  To: BORIS OSADCIW                            Date: 12/15/93 11:05p
Subj: Re: Adult CD Catalog                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BO>>>    Just wanted to know if anyone out there knows of a catalog I
BO>>>    can recieve that includes information on Adult CD's. I have
BO>>>    quite a few non adult catalogs but none with adult CD's.
BO>>>    Thanks in advance for any information you can give me.
BO>
BO>Give us a call at 216-225-3263 anytime 7 days a week and we'll be happy

Hey Boris,
        Just got my CD ROM Drive  and S. Blaster setup. I'm really
interested in adult material. Send me what info you have . Can't wait to
get started.
        Thanks
                Steve

Steve Daniels
P.O. Box 55421
Jackson, MS. 39296-5421




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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 10140
  To: MICHAEL COX                              Date: 12/16/93  6:05p
Subj: Re: cd                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 Michael   Cox   wrote   in   a    message    to    Matt    Burks:

MC>  There is a small problem  in  setting  up  the  business  area,
MC> as there is  a minor error in  the  MX_CREAM  setup  file.  This
MC> can be easily fixed  with    a  little  cut  and  paste  though.

 Don't forget to change "Edit" to "Editor"  in  your  filearea.ctl
 before you run silt and fb.    The  bug  that  causes  these  two
 flaws is in the cream.lst control file.

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From: JAMES BUTLER                           Number: 10141
  To: DAVID CHRISTENSEN                        Date: 12/16/93  7:54a
Subj: Help caching cd-rom                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

DC> I'll be picking up a Panasonic 562B cd-rom later on this week. I've seen
DC> quite a few messages related to the use of the new smartdrive to cache
DC> cd-roms. I'm going to enter my autoexec.bat and config.sys here in the
DC> hopes that someone will tell me exactly what cahnges need to be made in
DC> order to cache the new cd-rom.
DC>
DC> autoexec.bat:
DC> SET BLASTER = A220 I7 D1 T4
DC> SET SOUND = C:\SGNXPRO
DC> C:\QEMM\LOADHI /R:2 C:\DOS\SMARTDRV.EXE /X /U
    First off, Only Dos 6.2's Smartdrv caches CD ROMS.
    The only thing you have to do is load your cd rom driver on the
line before smartdrv and you are set.
TTYL !

    INTERNET: [e-mail]  & [e-mail]



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From: GREGG KERNES                           Number: 10142
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/22/93 10:41a
Subj: A quick question                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I have a question for those familar with using DOS 6.2.

Is it true that you need 8megs to use the CD ROM cache feature?  Yes?
 No?

Thanks in advance.......


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From: GREGG KERNES                           Number: 10143
  To: JIM LAMBERT                              Date: 12/22/93 10:43a
Subj: Catalog                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Please send a catalog to

Gregg Kernes
39506 Deerhorn Rd.
Springfield, OR 97478


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From: JOHN BARTA                             Number: 10144
  To: BOB DUNN                                 Date: 12/23/93  6:24p
Subj: Wanted Beatles CD                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JB> It's available from CD-ROM WAREHOUSE, 1-800-237-6623, <$30.
BD>It's only for a MAC though, right? Is there a DOS version coming
BD>out?

That's  what  I thought at first, until I read their ad. I just took
delivery of the windoze version.  I'm  giving  it  to  my  wife  for
*hristmas. :-)

                                   John
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From: TRANE FRANCKS                          Number: 10145
  To: GARY HUFF                                Date: 12/23/93 12:46p
Subj: Good ShareWare CD                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting - Gary Huff to Trane Francks, 20 Dec 93  04:04
 -=> Subject - Re: Good ShareWare CD

 TF> somebody reputable that will ship a NightOwl 10.1 to Japan. Got
 TF> any ideas?

 GH> If you can't find anyone to do it, let me know and I can pick one up
 GH> for you and send it over your way.

I truly appreciate the offer, but I doubt I'll need to take you
up on it. Rather, the question is: Of the folks that advertise
international shipping, do you know of anybody that is reputable?
Of does anybody else have any recommendations? Not having dealt
with CD-ROM stuff before, I'm at a bit of a disadvantage.

Anyway, if it proves to be too difficult, I'll just go with the
HOBBES OS/2 CD-ROM and be done with it. I can pick those up
locally here for less than 80 bucks...a bit expensive, but
there's no shipping or risk involved. ;-)

 GH> If no dealer will do it for you, I will.

Wow...one of the genuinely nice folks out there.

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From: SCOTT REDMAN                           Number: 10146
  To: JERRY THOMSON                            Date: 12/25/93  7:20p
Subj: 6 DISK CHANGERS                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Jerry!

In a message to All <12/21/93> Jerry Thomson wrote:

JT| I just picked up this echo on my board.   I was surprised that I didn't s
JT| prices for the 6 disk player by Pionner.  Could someone post what the ave
JT| purchase price for this unit is?  I have a copy of Computer Shopper, but
JT| couldn't find it.
JT|     I have one CD-ROM drive hooked up and was considering another single
JT| but would like to get some pricing on the 6 disk changer.
JT|     Also, if anyone knows, does Pioneer have different model numbers for
JT| disk changer and if so perhaps we could have a brief discussion on these.
JT| should note that my ONLY purpose for CD Drives is for my BBS.  So, I won'
JT| any special audio features.

I have a DRM-600A, and am most pleased with it. I beleive there are 3
different models of the Pioneer changer. The DRM-600A is a 800mS,
150k/sec 6 disc changer, although I have heard that it is now
dis-continued. Still, you should be able to find one for < $700. Great
drive for a BBS! Then, there's the DRM-604X - 250mS/600K Sec/XFER Rate!
That's right! 600k SEC! That's quadruple-spin. It is alo a 6 disc
changer, and you can find one for about $1,200. Then, there's the
grandaddy of them all - The DRM-1804X. It is an 18-disc changer,
quadruple spin with the same specs as the 604X. MSRP is approx $3K!

                                        *** Scott ***

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From: ARNIE GROSS                            Number: 10147
  To: BOB BREED                                Date: 12/23/93  9:41a
Subj: Re: REVISITED                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Bob -

   BB> Doesn't surprise me! I think it's a combination of the LA
   BB> Smog and my Mother board. (We blame everything on the LA Smog!!)

Nah, it's probably JUST the smog! <g>

   BB> When you say v6. driver -- who's driver? Microsoft or Logitech?

Logitech.  But I made a typo in my original post.  I had said it was version
6.2 - but it was 6.12 instead.

   BB> "Tell me, Deanna, do you ever..ah..experiment"
   BB> purred the naked Beverly

Where do you get your taglines?
                                                  - Arnie :+}

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From: BEN HAMMOCK                            Number: 10148
  To: RICH FISHER                              Date: 12/24/93 10:07p
Subj: Creative Labs Edutainment 16            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Rich Fisher! 12/23/93 about Creative Labs Edutainment 16

James Summers heard <12/23/93> Rich Fisher speak:

RF> Creative labs makes 3 separate multimedia kits, they are the discovery,
RF> edutainment, and the digital edge. The first two contain the EXACT same
RF> hardware, but have differnt software, the digital edge has the EXACT same
RF> cd-rom, but has better software and the sound blaster ASP 16 sound board.
RF> sell all of these kits thru my office, if you would like more info or som
RF> prices you can call my office.

RF> Rich Fisher
RF> TOTAL SYSTEMS Inc.
RF> [phone]
RF> [phone] fax

Oops, might want to take this to a for sale echo.  Never forget...
we're watching <g>.

Ben Hammock
Entire Supply, Inc.  (only provided as a reference, not a sales
pitch)

 * WCE 1.10/2023 * Jesus Saves.  Passes To Moses.  He shoots!  He scores!!!


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From: DAVE SUTTON                            Number: 10149
  To: JOHN ULLMER                              Date: 12/25/93  1:14a
Subj: Re: 7TH GUEST WITH SONY                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  There's all kindsa problems suggested by your short message.  On
 > the "7th G."
 >  box there is a long list of "requirements" to run the program:
 > Conform to
 >  MPC1 standards (multi-spin); 2 megs of RAM, 16 bit SVGA card, 570K
 > of free
 >  CONVENTIONAL memory [box says 512K, that's incorrect], 150K
 > transfer rate
 >  minimum, MSCDEX version 2.2 or better, DOS 5.0 or better.  Also
 > need a mouse
 >  and a sound card w/ FM and PCM sound.
 >
 > And if you think getting "7th G" to run is a lotta fun, then try
 > "Return to
 > Zork which wants 600K of free CONVENTIONAL RAM.

Thats why you take advantage of DOS 6.0 and 6.2's built in multi-config
option.  I would be lost without it.  Before 6.0 came out... I used Shareware
versions of multiconfigs... now its so much easier having the feature built
into DOS.  Finally... Microsoft does something right!


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From: VINCE SORENSEN                         Number: 10150
  To: HUGH CRAIG                               Date: 12/24/93  9:31a
Subj: GOOD SHAREWARE CDS                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Nice interface but the search engine is as slow as molases. Makes it
-> close to useless. I've got magazine CDs that are a 100 times faster
-> when searching for text strings,etc.

   Try running it off of your hard drive or off of CD?

   Vince
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From: JERRY CORNELIUS                        Number: 10151
  To: ED BAILEY                                Date: 12/24/93  8:52a
Subj: Max specific Door                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

EB>    I have 2 Mitsumi's online with Binkley and Max - I don't use
EB>    Maxfiles because i don't want Freqing of files from the CD's
EB>    The Drives will work best if you set them for with the IRQ's
EB>    only do not use the DMA setting. What you do is place the

I disagree.  I tried both methods and found that the DMA seemed quite a
bit faster.  Apparently a number of people have trouble implementing
this method with their motherboards, however.  In my case, I set my
clone motherboard to factory defaults, carefully selected a DMA channel
that wasn't being used, and Voila! 7th Guest without hesitation on a
350ms Mitsumi.  (The factory default setting changed a number of
variables in the Ultra-advanced CMOS setup, things I don't understand.
It's an AMI(?) 386D40, by the way.)

Happy holidays.

 * SLMR 2.1 *

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From: JOE RINEHART                           Number: 10152
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/25/93  6:29a
Subj: !free Cd catalog!                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

*********** FREE HUGE CD-ROM DISC & accessories CATALOG!*************
For the largest selection & lowest prices, get our NEW catalog...
If you'd like a printed copy, send your mailing information to us.
We offer CDLIST file attach's upon request.
CATALOG FREQ: cdlist.zip    (over 1,100 cd-rom disc titles available)
        Internet: [e-mail]
    FidoNet: 1:157/479 - RBBSNet 8:965/13 - KesherNet 18:711/176
Joe Rinehart / config.sys, Inc.    Voice: [phone]  -  24 hours
P.O. Box 27                        Data/Fax: [phone]
Kent, Ohio 44240-0001              >>>INTERNATIONAL ORDERS WELCOME<<<

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From: JOE RINEHART                           Number: 10153
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/25/93  6:29a
Subj: Refurbished Cd-rom drives               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 *********** Refurbished  Hitachi Model 3600 CD-ROM DRIVES ***********
These are the long awaited refurbished drives, 1 step above Model 3500
    Great for BBS usage, buy 8 drives and get an instant 5.44 Gigs!
          IN-STOCK READY TO SHIP  Daisy-chainable to 8 drives!
    $130.00 bare unit, 30 day warrantee, 680 meg, avg. speed 380mls.
           Internet: [e-mail]
      FidoNet 1:157/479 - RBBSNet 8:965/13 - KesherNet 18:711/176
Joe Rinehart / config.sys, Inc.     Voice: [phone]  -  24 hours
P.O. Box 27                         Data/Fax: (216) 296-GIGO(4446) ZyX
Kent, Ohio 44240-0001               >>>INTERNATIONAL ORDERS WELCOME<<<

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From: PETER JANSSENS                         Number: 10154
  To: MIKE HOFFERT                             Date: 12/24/93  7:16p
Subj: Christmas stuff!?                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > MB> MH> I need to hang a CD on a Novell Network. Can't
 > MB> MH> find reliabe software to do it without using a PC for a CD
 > MB> MH> server. Any suggestions?

 > MB>Look at SCSI Express or CorelSCSI.  Both will do what you want.

 > Thankyou for your help.  I was told about SCSI Express.  I would like
 > something that didn't require a server for the CD-Rom.  That is my
 > understanding with a multi changer.

How do you run a Novell network withour a server?

SCSI express can be installed on your regular network server and works just
fine. Supports virtually unlimited drives.

If you want to attach the cd to a local station then just plug a scsi card into
the thing and install the software which came with the player.

Quel est le probleme?

Cheerz, Peter
        [e-mail]

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From: DAVID BROWN                            Number: 10155
  To: JOE RINEHART                             Date: 12/25/93  1:15a
Subj: CDLIST                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I would like a copy:

David Brown
4655 Baywood Drive
Lynn Haven FL 32444

Thanks,
David Brown

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From: DAVID BROWN                            Number: 10156
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/25/93  1:15a
Subj: Put me on your mailing l                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I saw this message from Bill Carbonelli requesting CDLISTs from all
the suppliers out there and thought that was a great idea, one msg
to all to cut down on the clutter on the net.  I and some of my friends
who got CD drives for Christmas want your lists!  If you are the
biggest, baddest, cheapest, (or whatever) supplier of CD-ROMs, send them
in.


Address:  David Brown
          4655 Baywood Drive
          Lynn Haven, FL 32444

Thanks

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From: ANTHONY FIELDS                         Number: 10157
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/24/93  9:26a
Subj: Synthesizer Keyboard                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I have a synthesizer keyboard for sale full size keys
for more info write E-mail

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From: TONY MATA                              Number: 10158
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/24/93  4:48p
Subj: Cd encyclopedias                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I'm interested in purchasing a CD encyclopedia.  Can anyone tell me which the
best one is out of Encarta, Grolier's and Compton's.  I'm pretty sure that they
all have the same depth of info (though I could be wrong) so I guess whichever
one has the most impressive bells and whistles would be the one for me.
Thanks.


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From: EDWIN GRAVES                           Number: 10159
  To: HUGH CRAIG                               Date: 12/24/93  5:40a
Subj: Os/2 Cd...                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On (15 Dec 93) Hugh Craig wrote to Curtis Burisch...

 HC> Trailer text for Mr. Bill
 HC>
 HC>  Taken from COMPUTER RETAIL WEEK December 6 1993:
 HC>
 HC>    Ingram Micro Best Seller's List
 HC>    Operating Systems and Languages

 good information to know, but I'm curious as to WHY it is at the bottom
of about 90 percent of all your posts here in the echo for the past
several days ??  Seems like it's taking up un-necessary band-width in
the echo - but perhaps I should let the moderator rule on that, huh?


... "Lawyer Testing" :because some things, even RATS won't do

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From: EDWIN GRAVES                           Number: 10160
  To: MARCUS SPEARS                            Date: 12/24/93  5:46a
Subj: Sony 535                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On (15 Dec 93) Marcus Spears wrote to Mike Mesenbrink...

 MS> hard drive.  Actually, 95% of the CD-ROMs out there are SCSI; as far
 MS> as
 MS> I know, Creative Labs is the only company manufacturing IDE-based
 MS> CD-ROM

That high a percentage of SCSI CD's?  When did Creative Labs start
manufacturing drives??...I thought they were using Mitsumi, Texel or other
manufacturer's drives in their CD "kits".

 MS> (2) Catching the right bus: As mentioned above, only Creative Labs
 MS> uses
 MS> an IDE interface.  The advantage of the SCSI bus are speed, a widely
 MS> known standard, and the ability to add as many as seven devices to any
 MS> SCSI board.  Also, look for compliance with the new SCSI-2 standard.



... * Daddy, what does 'Formatting Drive C' mean?

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From: MICHAEL MURPHY                         Number: 10161
  To: JEREMY JOHNSON                           Date: 12/24/93 11:00a
Subj: Night Owl 10 and Windows                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On (13 Dec 93) Jeremy Johnson wrote to Michael Murphy...

 JJ> I like the windows version too, but the 1st and last areas are still
 JJ> unusable.  I can just use the dos night program, but I was just
 JJ> wondering if maybe there was a new version that fixed that bug.
 JJ>
 JJ> - Jeremy

I had the problem with area 58 (i think - Windows BMP, WAV & etc) every now
and then it couldn't read that area.  It would always give me a read error.
But then, sometimes, I could get it... go figure!?!  Oh well, since then I've
sold it.  I've heard that on one of the files it give their phone #.  In case
you don't know it, or don't have it... a guy on his BBS posted this:
Office: 716-484-3066
BBS: 716-483-3925
That is, if you want to persue finding a replacement for it or an upgrade.
They certainly won't get my business any more!
Michael

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From: MIKE BUTSCH                            Number: 10162
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/24/93 11:13a
Subj: U.S. CD-ROM Software                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

European Dealers and Swiss Endusers. If you are intersted in cheap U.S. CD-ROM
Software like Rebel Assault, Mad Dog McCree, Night Owl's V10, Hellcab, Kings
Quest VI and all the other new stuff for your CD-ROm PC contact us. Foreign
countrys only dealers and quanity 20 cd's mix and match. Swiss Customers any
quanity. Call our BBS and get our pricelist for US Software. BBS : +41 61
482'22'38 24H same
numer is our Fax Number. Butsch Informatik
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From: JOHN RUIZ                              Number: 10163
  To: DENNIS HUTCHINSON                        Date: 12/23/93  3:01p
Subj: games                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

DH>     I have The 7th Guest for trade. This game is complete. Any takers?
  >---
  > * RoseMail 2.10b:

        Dennis.... Hi.... I have KING QUEST VI on CDrom that I will
        like to trade with you, also hints.
        Give a call or leave reply here.  Thanks John Ruiz
        206-226-2018   renton wa

        Received your call ... will call later.  If we miss path
        Have a happy holiday.  I am still interested in the trade.
        BTW I call your number. I guess I copied the wrong number off
        the answering machine.

 * QMPro 1.51 * I Rather Be Shopping at "GROUPWARE" Tacoma Wa
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From: GEORGE VAISEY                          Number: 10164
  To: JEFF MASTERMAN                           Date: 12/25/93 12:14a
Subj: Encyclopedia                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Would someone please comment on the available encyclopedias. I am
 > thinking about buying 94'Encarta but I can get Comptons for about the
 > same money. I want to know which package has the most useful information
 > for my daughters age 10 and 13. Thanks.

Egghead is selling it (Encarta for $80) until the end of the year and then it
will go up to OVER $290.

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From: GEORGE VAISEY                          Number: 10165
  To: CLIVE CARMOCK                            Date: 12/25/93 11:54a
Subj: Panasonic 562B                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Does anyone know if software to enable audio CD's to be played in a
 > Panasonic 562B CD ROm drive exist, and if so where I might be able to
 > get them?

 > When using this drive with a Soundblaster 16 is CDMKE40.SYS the correct
 > driver?

Just got it last night as an early christmas gift.  I got mine in a Multi-Media
kit.  I uses a different driver:
                SGCDM    SYS
                SGCDU    SYS
                SGCDY    SYS

That is what I use and it sounds GREAT!  Hope that helps.

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From: GEORGE VAISEY                          Number: 10166
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/25/93 12:01p
Subj: Battle Chess For Sale                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 * Forwarded from "Cd-Rom For Sale Conference"
--Someone was looking for battle chess.  Here is the listing.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Battle Chess..................25.00

    600mb SHAREWARE CD or WINDOWS GAMES CD ONLY $6.00 WITH ANY PURCHASE!
           or CD-ROM REFERENCE GUIDE ONLY $9.00 WITH ANY PURCHASE!
    JAPANESE CADDIES....1-9: 4.99 / 10-19: 4.79 / 20-49: 4.59 / 50+ 4.39

 INFO/ORDERS..........509-457-2892..9a-9p    Make us your ONE-STOP CD Shop!
 BBS (V.32bis)........509-457-0206..24hrs    *Sysops* get 3-day Air for the
 FAX..................509-457-2966..24hrs    same price as ground shipping!
 ORDERS ONLY..........800-767-1284..9a-9p    International orders welcomed.
 COMPUSERVE...........72632,2050             [e-mail]
 FIDO CATALOG FREQ....1:3407/101 "STARCAT.ZIP" - 350+ titles & descriptions

 STARVECTOR SOFTWARE * PO BOX 8160 * YAKIMA WA 98908 * 509-457-2892 (VOICE)
 VISA * MC * AMEX * DISCOVER * SHIPPING: $4 up to 5 pcs / $.50 ea pc over 5

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hope you can use it!

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From: LOYD CRAFT                             Number: 10167
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/25/93 10:27p
Subj: Custom CDROM                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

       D i g i t a l   E n t e r p r i s e s   C u s t o m

                    C D R O M   S e r v i c e

We can transfer your programs and data from Tape, Floppy or Hard Disk
to Industry Standard CDROM, which is accessible by any ISO9660 compliant
CDROM reader.

                 1st Copy     2nd Thru 4th     5+
                ----------   --------------  ------
                 $100.00         $50.00      $45.00

 2nd through 5+ pricing reflects identical disks, or disks with MINOR changes

 We also offer a $20 discount on the first disk of each unique CD setup after
 the first.


Shipping:
---------
All orders to the 48 contiguous states are shipped via UPS ground unless
customer specifies a different mode.  Add $5 for UPS Blue label, $15 for
UPS Red label service.


Getting your data to us:
------------------------
We currently support QIC-40 and QIC-80 tape, and streaming tape drives
that use DC600/6XXXX tape.  Floppy disks are accepted, but at a premium
of $8/hr of restore time.  We can also accept hard disk as the method
of transferral.


Naming conventions:
-------------------
Filenames MUST NOT contain characters other than A-Z, 0-9 or the "_"
underscore character.  Subdirectory names must NOT have an .EXTension.

We will at your request rename non-compliant files, and flat text-based file
listings at no additional cost.

Terms:
------
Prepay for service via certified funds.  Personal checks must clear our
bank before production begins.   Please make your check or money order
payable to "Digital Enterprises".

For more information:
---------------------
Contact us by voice, or by any of the network addresses listed.

Digital Enterprises
125 S. Saginaw
St. Charles, MI 48655

Voice: 517-865-6850     Internet: [e-mail]
 Rime: ->SPS             Fidonet: 1:239/900.0

(C) 1993 Digital Enterprises

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From: JUAN LUIS PASTOR                       Number: 10168
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/21/93 11:58a
Subj: SB PRO + CD-ROM                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello!

I've just bought a SB PRO and a CD-ROM Sony 31A-03. I know the CD-ROM can't be
controlled by the sound card, but does it exist any adapter to connect it to
the SB connector?
Another thing, can the SB PRO control the Panasonic 562B CD-ROM?

                    Greetings,
                        Juan Luis

                 "El Príncipe de Zamunda"

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From: JUAN LUIS PASTOR                       Number: 10169
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/21/93 11:47p
Subj: CD-I                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello!

Can anybody explain me what is CD-I about?
Can I read and RUN programs on CD-I with my Sony 31A-03 CD-ROM, which is CD-I
compatible?
I've been told I only can read them, but not run them.

                    Greetings,
                        Juan Luis

                 "El Príncipe de Zamunda"

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From: GORDON PETERSON                        Number: 10170
  To: JULIEN PIERRE                            Date: 12/21/93 11:08p
Subj: THIS ECHO                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JP>CDROM_SALE is available on my new board, ChaOS/2 BBS, which started about a
JP>month ago !
JP>And I'm not picking it up from Germany, but from another Paris board (which
JP>it in "passthru" mode I think, so that normal callers can't access it) !

How bizarre that they wouldn't let their normal callers have it!  Do
you know of any PCBoards or Wildcat boards here in Paris that carry it?
(Yours, even?)   :-)

 * SLMR 2.1 *


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From: GORDON PETERSON                        Number: 10171
  To: PIOTR ADAMIAK                            Date: 12/22/93 12:26a
Subj: Multispeed CD ROM disk in               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

PA>Can anyone tell me what will happen when you play a CD ROM disk that require
PA>double (or better) speed drive but is played in a single speed drive ? Any
PA>ideas ? :)

It's going to either play slowly, or be very jerky instead of fluid.
(e.g. gaps in the audio, etc.)

 * SLMR 2.1 *


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From: MIKE SHANNON                           Number: 10172
  To: RICK SHOAF                               Date: 12/23/93  1:15a
Subj: Virus                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

RS>Benjamin... I just read your last 5 messages and I just wanted to tell
RS>you that Night Owl has a long history of infected and commercial files
RS>on it's CD's. In fact a buddy of mine just check his NO2 and found
RS>infected files on it. I remember seeing messages in this echo about
RS>infected files on 6, 7, and 8 as well. Given that kind of history, don't
RS>you think that the people at NightOwl would start to use the best
RS>scanners available.. scan 108 was on their disk, how much trouble would
RS>it have been for them to register it and use it to scan their database
RS>before sending it to the CD manufacturer. The Pier series and the Cream
RS>of the Crop series are both excellent series and the last I've heard is
RS>that they are all virus free. You may argue that as long as people want
RS>new files they will have to chance the risk of infection, but do people
RS>want new files so bad that they would be willing to throw all safety
RS>nets out the window?

Nice job Rick......couldn't have said it better myself.

Happy holidays,
.\\ike


 * SLMR 2.1a * I've told you a million times not to exaggerate.

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From: MIKE SHANNON                           Number: 10173
  To: DAVE REED                                Date: 12/23/93  1:15a
Subj: Night Owl 10 Virus!!!                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

DR> BO> THAT'S MY FRIGGEN POINT!  <shaking fists in air and stomping ground>

DR>You'll do anything you can to cloud the issue, won't you.  The point is:
Nigh
DR>Owl does NOT have a very good quality control program.  Every disc Richard
DR>releases is to generate revenue to pay off the lawsuits and/or claims from
th
DR>previous disc.  He pushes his product out the door quickly, ignoring much of
DR>the detail in preparation that many other producers involve themselves in.

DR>What's your involvement with Richard, anyway?  Are you lovers?

Oh man, LOL and ROFLMAO x 10!  Damn you're brave, Dave.  I knew you had at
least one redeeming quality, but I couldn't remember what it was until just
now.  8)

Bye,
.\\ike


 * SLMR 2.1a * If at first you don't succeed, call it Night Owl 10.0

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From: MIKE SHANNON                           Number: 10174
  To: JOSHUA FULLER                            Date: 12/23/93  1:15a
Subj: NIGHT OWL 10 VIRUS REPORT               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JF>Night Owls reminds me of that punching clown that I had when I was a kid.
JF>You
JF>know... the one with a low center of gravity?  No matter how hard you hit
JF>the damn thing, it always comes up with that silly-assed grin on it's face!

JF>He he,. What is that court case all about? I know about the virus part.

It involves a treble damage lawsuit filed by their former programmer, who
claims non-payment of royalties, etc.  That's the *current* one.
Apparently there are others pending.

Later,

.\\ike


 * SLMR 2.1a * If at first you don't succeed, call it Night Owl 10.0

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From: GIULIANO MACIOCCI JR                   Number: 10175
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/19/93  1:34p
Subj: Video for Windows                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi All!

I recently got hold of the Windows Multimedia Extensions 1.0 CD, and upgraded
my existing Windows 3.1 by installing the extensions. Everything runs smoothly
(Or as smoothly as Windows usually goes, which is still pretty slow) except for
Video for Windows.

When I run MEDIA PLAYER  and try to load an .AVI sequence, I get a window
titled "MMTASK" which says my application caused an error, and that I can
either close it or ignore it. If I click 3 times on the "ignore" button, the
.AVI sequence is loaded and I can play it.

The same error window appears when I try to change the size of the movie's
window, and again if I press "ignore" 3 times I can continue doing what I
wanted to.

This is terribly annoying, so could any Windows Multimedia Gurus out there
advice me on a solution for the problem? Thanks in advance for your help, which
I know will be fortcoming! :-)

TTYL
__________________________________
Giuliano  Maciocci Jr  (AKA Raver)
FidoNet : 5:7211/1.78
InterNet: [e-mail]
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From: GIULIANO MACIOCCI JR                   Number: 10176
  To: PRESTON VOOSEN                           Date: 12/20/93  7:52a
Subj: Re: Installing a CD-ROM                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Preston!


 On dark and windy Monday December 13 1993, Preston Voosen bellowed:

 PV> I was just wondering how difficult setting up a CD-ROM is.  When I do
 PV> install it, what is teh drive letter assigned to it?  Thanks for teh
 PV> information.

I cannot talk for everyone, but my Panasonic (Matsushita) CR562b installed
itself. I only make a couple of connections as explained in the manual, run the
install disk (This one came as "Lasermate utility disk" or something) and
reboot. I was up and running in less than 15 minutes. This is an Internal
drive, BTW, an external may even be easier to install (If that's possible).

About the drive letter, an install prog should set the drive's letter to one
greater than the last drive currently installed, eg. If you have 2 HDs, C: and
D:, the CD will become E:. If an install program does not do the above, it's up
to you to set the drive's letter in the drivers (like MSCDEX) and to remember
to set the "lastdrive=" line in your config.sys to a letter greater than that
of the CD drive itself (if CD is D:, then "lastdrive=E"). This will allow for a
Ramdrive or anything else you may want to install temporarily which would
occupy a drive letter.

Basically, although there may be problems, they're usually easy to solve .
CD-ROM drives are easier to install than many other devices.

 PV> Preston

TTYL
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From: GIULIANO MACIOCCI JR                   Number: 10177
  To: JOE RINEHART                             Date: 12/20/93  8:06a
Subj: Re: 1100+ cd's catalog                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Joe!


 bright and merry Tuesday December 14 1993, Robert Wester whispered:

 >> Ask for a copy of our CDLIST!  If you'd like a
 >> printed copy, send your
 >> mailing information to us.  We don't mark-up shipping> like other
 >> dealer

If it's Totally, absolutely and utterly FREE, I'm interested! I have to get
some CD's soon, and need a catalog badly. You can send me an "electronic" list
in UUENCODED Zip format (no Internet access over here, I'm afraid) to either
one of my e-mail addresses, and I'd be very grateful for that.

Otherwise,

34 Clairwood Rd.
Alexandra Park
Harare-Zimbabwe
Africa

Many thanks in advance, I hope to become one of your custumers soon!

TTYL
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From: GIULIANO MACIOCCI JR                   Number: 10178
  To: JEREMY ROLLINGS                          Date: 12/20/93  8:29a
Subj: Re: Great Games???                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Jeremy!


 On dark and windy Monday December 13 1993, Jeremy Rollings bellowed:

 JR> Life is frustrating enough without having to get pissed off at a game.
 JR>  What do you recommed out there? It should be at lesat VGA 320X240X256
 JR>  with soundblaster music and digitized sounds.

I've heard "Day of the Tentacle" is good, and I watched the demo from Night Owl
10, and it seemed excellent! The voices in the demo are crystal clear on my
SBPRO, the graphics are cartoon-like though lo-res and the characters are
fun. Any more advice out there? Should I buy it? You see, I'm in the same boat
as you, looking for a good, long-lasting but not-too-frustrating CD game!

TTYL
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From: GIULIANO MACIOCCI JR                   Number: 10179
  To: BENJAMIN ORTIZ                           Date: 12/20/93  9:01a
Subj: Re: Night Owl 10 Virus Re               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Benjamin!

 On dark and windy Tuesday December 14 1993, Benjamin Ortiz bellowed:

 BO> I think maybe you should read something called the HACK REPORT for

 BO> I thought I had also made one thing perfectly clear over Fido as well:
 BO> NOBODY THESE DAYS CAN GIVE A 100% GUARANTEE ON A PRODUCT.
 BO> Look...listen... ....LEARN...

Way to go Benjamin! My feelings Exactly!! :-)

I think there's been a lot of unjustified "Night Owl Bashing" lately. To all
you bashers out there, instead of narrowing your attention span to *2* files,
take a deep breath and look at the other five-thousand-plus  files in the CD,
some of them are real excellent. Take Terminate 1.0, for example, It replaced
my Procomm Plus, Telix and Binkleyterm programs at once. Truly remarcable
software, and, amazingly enough, shareware and mostly uncrippled.

2 Viruses, "Whoooaaaaaaah!!"  Night Owl 10 is still a great CD, and if someone
can deny that with good reason, please do so! But don't come with the "But they
had TWO viruses there, that's bad!!" kind of argument, for the group of
clapping old ladies supporting you in that statement won't matter much to those
who REALLY explored the CD. <g>

To whoever produced the CD, if you can hear me, you did a great job, if it
weren't for the viruses your CD would rate TOP. I'll be waiting (and hoping)
for a next release soon!

This is *NOT* a flame, just an attempt to set order to things which in my
humble opinion have been growing out of hand due to misinformation or simple
boredom.

...Plus, the Butterfly (CRUSADES strain) virus isn't all that dangerous anyway.

TTYL
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From: GIULIANO MACIOCCI JR                   Number: 10180
  To: BRUNO CONTE                              Date: 12/20/93  9:11a
Subj: Re: 7Th Guest                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Bruno!


 On dark and windy Sunday December 12 1993, Bruno Conte bellowed:

[On The 7th Guest...]

 BC>  I've recently bought a CD-ROM and I've got some interest on this
 BC>  game, by some magazines advertisements.
 BC>  Can someone help me?

Awesome, a true top-of-the-line show off in case a friend comes over to look at
your CD. A bit frustrating, maybe, but technically amazing.

TTYL
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From: NORBERT PIRZKAL                        Number: 10181
  To: DON BOSMAN                               Date: 12/22/93  4:27p
Subj: Re: Panasonic CD ROM card !             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

DB> NP>I am looking for someone who knows anything about the panasonic cd rom
DB> NP>adapter cards. I have a Sound Blaster cd rom (external) and creative lab
DB> NP>If anyone reading this has one/sell them or has any information please l
DB>
DB>
DB> They usually go for $10 at the computer show.
DB>   Or you could get a sound blaster.
DB>

    But who SELLS them? Do you know a place I could order one from?

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From: NORBERT PIRZKAL                        Number: 10182
  To: WEE YUNG                                 Date: 12/23/93 12:54a
Subj: Re: Multimedia kit forsale              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I am looking for an adapter card in which I could plug my external Panasonic
drive. It is a SoundBlaster cd rom external drive that hooks up into a little
board that interfaces to the SB pro. I have another SoundBlaster card in a
second computer but nobody sells that little card by itself. I was told I
shopuld just buy a panasonic interface card (which provides an external
connector). Do you have them? The drive is a Panasonic CT531C

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From: RICKY BOOTH                            Number: 10183
  To: BRICE FLECKENSTEIN                       Date: 12/23/93  4:15p
Subj: BUYING A CDROM                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  I did. Don't ASSume that you know everything.

Message recieved and ignored.


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From: CHRISTIAN HEDEMARK                     Number: 10184
  To: AL FAUBION                               Date: 12/23/93  2:28p
Subj: Re: Multi-CD Drives?                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

*** Quoting Al Faubion to Ryan Thompson about Multi-CD Drives? *


AF> Sorry Ryan, I don't realy have any experience w/ that type o device.
AF> Maybe you could switch the multiple drives so that you could so that you
AF> could access them seperately while having them all conncted to your switch
AF> box.

Well, Al, Pioneer makes two CD ROM changers that will each hold six disks.
They use the same caddies as the Pioneer audio CD changers.

I have heard about a 10 disk changer out there, but have yet to see it.

Anyway, though, there is no reason you couldn't hook up 6 Mitsumi CD ROM
drives (since SCSI is good at that sort of thing) and assign each drive a
different letter.  It's also cheaper than the Pioneer 6 Disc unit that way.
That's how I am going to do it for my BBS; just buy one drive as I can afford
it and chain it to the others.

BTW- does anyone out there know of a SCSI-2 CD ROM drive that is pretty cheap?
I want to utilize the feature of SCSI-2 that allows you to read multiple
drives simultaneously.  Thanks

Warthog

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From: KEVIN O'BUCKLEY                        Number: 10185
  To: JASON DEVRIES                            Date: 12/21/93 12:34p
Subj: KQ6                                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Ja>Could you please help me out with the fifth gnome... the one that looks
at you.  I like to figure things out on my own, but this one is killing
me.  Perhaps you could just point me in the right direction... Don't
give me the answer, but don't make me lose any hair.  (If that is
possible

To trick the last gnome, you have to make it so he can't see you.  hmmmmm....
maybe there is something at the pawn show that will help you...  Maybe the
owner was stupid enough to throw it away....

All you need from the cave is the peppermint.

Kevin O'Buckley

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From: EDWIN GRAVES                           Number: 10186
  To: RICHARD PILLAY                           Date: 12/22/93  3:29p
Subj: 100 disk changer???                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On (11 Dec 93) Richard Pillay wrote to Brice Fleckenstein...

 RP> BF> NSM makes a 100 disc CD-ROM changer, and I remember seeing ads for
 RP> at least
 RP> BF>one other such unit.
 RP>
 RP> What do these things sell for?

Probably like most anything like that...if you have to ask the price,
you probably can't afford it!  They ain't cheap....that's for sure.



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From: MIKE GERVASI                           Number: 10187
  To: KYLE MACHULIS                            Date: 12/24/93  9:17a
Subj: Re: 7Th Guest                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-=> Quoting Kyle Machulis to Hugh Craig <=-

KM> How would it run on something like this?

 KM> GATEWAY 2000 4DX2/66
 KM> 8meg RAM
 KM> ATI Ultra pro w ?meq
 KM> SB16 ASP IRQ 5 BASE x220
 KM> Printer LPT1
 KM> Mitsumi FX001D (Not Installed yet, its a Christmas Present....)
 KM> DBLSPACE, DOS 6.2

     Shouldn't be a problem. More than enough on the CPU and RAM.

     Pretty much depends on how much memory the ATI has as to the display
     quality. Everything should be cool. A great game to see where the
     future of CD-ROM is.
                         Mike




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From: MIKE GERVASI                           Number: 10188
  To: DANIEL PRINCE                            Date: 12/24/93  9:22a
Subj: Re: 7th Guest with Sony SS proprietary CDROM DRIVE  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting Daniel Prince to All <=-

 DP> My brother can't get 7th Guest to run on his system which has a
 DP> Sony single speed proprietary CDROM drive.  I think I have seen a
 DP> message from someone else that couldn't get it to run on a
 DP> proprietary Sony SS CDROM.

    As far as I know, you must have a double speed for the game.
    There is a very heavy demand put on it for sound and graphics.
                    Mike




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From: MIKE GERVASI                           Number: 10189
  To: DAVE WONG                                Date: 12/24/93 10:53a
Subj: Re: What to buy..                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting Dave Wong to James Parker <=-

 DW> Interested in Games, Well I have brand new CDs for you, How about
 DW> Return to Zork, retail $50.00, me $35.00. Have kids? how about Mixed
 DW> up Mother Goose, retail $45.00, me $20.00 others availible, leave me
 DW> e-mail if interested.

     I'm interested in RTZ. Address? Are you up for a trade for other CD's?
     Let me know here or call 809-293-5375.
                    Thanks, Mike





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From: JIM CLEMENTS                           Number: 10190
  To: KIRK BAXTER                              Date: 12/22/93  6:31a
Subj: World Atlas Programs                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

KB>   Does anyone know of an atlas program that has really detailed maps,
KB>   such that one can zoom in for detail, and equal the detail of book
KB>   atlases?

Kirk, if you can, take a look at DeLorme's Global Explorer. It is, in
effect, a road atlas of the entire world, with a large number of major
cities detailed to the street level. By far the best cdrom Atlas
I've seen. BTW, they are the same people who produced Street Atlas
USA. Cheers!
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From: JIM CLEMENTS                           Number: 10191
  To: THE LAWMAN                               Date: 12/25/93  6:55a
Subj: 6 Disk Cd-Rom                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Get a Pioneer 604x 6-disc changer.  It is 185ms & has a DTR of 600kb/
-> don't know where exactly, but is Computer Shopper, I've seen it for $
-> paid $1339.  It really flies.  It is SCSI II compatable.  I know some
-> of these.  That's 42 drives!

TL>That's a lot of money for one when I just bought mine yesterday for $780
TL>from our local sysop dealer supplier, scsi card was $160 so just under
TL>$1000 gets the whole works from Emerald City Electronics in Mt. Juliet,
TL>TN 615-754-9552


That is an excellent price for a 604X -- I take it you did mean a 604X
and not the earlier 600 or newer 602X? In fact it is less than Pioneer
was selling the 604X to the press just a year ago.
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From: BOB TEMPLETON                          Number: 10192
  To: CURTIS BURISCH                           Date: 12/25/93 11:03a
Subj: Re: Help! ??                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

thanks for your input, experience of others beats the hype in the
computer shopper ads.

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From: MICHAEL DAUM                           Number: 10193
  To: WILLIAM SCHNEIDER, JR.                   Date: 12/13/93  8:49a
Subj: AUDIO CD PROGRAM                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Thanks!  I will take a look for this program.

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From: MICHAEL DAUM                           Number: 10194
  To: RICK POTTS                               Date: 12/14/93  8:57a
Subj: AUDIO CD PROGRAM                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Thanks, I've heard others mention it, but I didn't see it at Best Buy, will
have to look again.

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From: MICHAEL DAUM                           Number: 10195
  To: JOHN MCCOMAS                             Date: 12/14/93  8:58a
Subj: AUDIO CD PROGRAM                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Thanks!  I will try it as soon as I can!

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From: ROBIN JACKSON                          Number: 10196
  To: ANDY THOMAS                              Date: 12/14/93  3:04p
Subj: MEDIAVISION CD-ROM BUNDLE               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

AT>Hi All,
AT>I'm looking for comments, good, bad and otherwise on the Media Vision
AT>Fusion CD-ROM bundle. Comes with a sound board, CD-ROM drive, speakers
AT>several CD-ROMs. My system is a 486-33 with a 1meg Trident video card.
AT>
AT>Also, anybody have any comments on the Compton's Multimedia Encycloped
AT>CD-ROM? Especially how it compares to other encyclopedia CD-ROMs on th
AT>market... Thanks

   I have the MediaVision Fusion DoubleCD 16 multimedia kit.  I like it a
lot!  I also have a 486/33.  It came, as I am sure you are aware, with the
Compton's Interactive Encyclopedia, 7th Guest, Arthur's Teacher Trouble,
and Battle Chess.  As to the encyclopedia (Comptons), its very nice, but I
have heard that it is more for elementary age children than adults.  But I
have young children so that aspect didn't bother me.  Groliers is supposed
to be more reference minded for older folks.  Encarta has also had good
reviews.
  One thing to keep in mind with the Pro Audio 16 card, it uses two sets
of DMA and IRQ channels.  One set to perform Fusion DoubleCD 16 functions,
the other set to run programs that are compatible only with Sound Blaster
standards.  So it will tie up more channels than others. But it is a fine
sound card and worth it in my opinion.  But I would recommend the Fusion
DoubleCD 16 multimedia kit.

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From: MICHAEL DAUM                           Number: 10197
  To: WILLIAM WRIGHT                           Date: 12/15/93 10:49a
Subj: AUDIO CD PROGRAM                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

DS>WinCD Pro is in the stores and it not only plays CDs, but it acts as a
DS>catalog program for your CDs too. Yes, it will allow you to program so
DS>order, in fact, you can program it so that everytime you put that disk
DS>drive, it will play in your programed order.
DS>
DS>Once the disk is in the drive, it shows the name of the CD and shows t
DS>of every song on the CD with running time. Of course, the very first t
DS>put the CD in, you must tell it all that. But from there on out, it re
DS>

Look for a windows program called Hitline or ACDP (both are shareware),
both are excellent for cataloging and programming which audio CD you want
to play.  Hitline actually looks like a CD player on a stereo system.

I am still impressed with this program.

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From: MICHAEL DAUM                           Number: 10198
  To: WILLIAM WRIGHT                           Date: 12/16/93  9:01a
Subj: AUDIO CD PROGRAM                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Thanks for the info.  I found a program found hitline (shareware) that is
incredible.  You can enter a whole CD collection.

The CD player program looks like one from a home stereo (looks digital) and you
can program, shuffle, repeat...  Exactly what I was looking for.

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From: ROBIN JACKSON                          Number: 10199
  To: ANDY THOMAS                              Date: 12/17/93  9:04a
Subj: MEDIAVISION CD-ROM BUNDL                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

RP>AT>I'm looking for comments, good, bad and otherwise on the Media Visi
RP>AT>Double Fusion CD-ROM bundle. Comes with a sound board, CD-ROM
RP>AT>drive, speakers and several CD-ROMs. My system is a 486-33 with
RP>AT>a 1meg Trident video card.
RP>
RP>Depends on which drive they're including in the bundle. The Media Visi
RP>bundle I had included the new LMSI 206 (Philips) caddyless double-spee
RP>drive, and it was so flimsy that I wasn't sure it would stand up to
RP>regular use. The motorized tray that the CD goes in was very thin and
RP>flexible, and just had a cheap feel to it. On top of that, the drive r
RP>constantly and noisily (not just when accessing the disk) and Media
RP>Vision Tech Support told me that was normal....Seemed odd to me, and
RP>just gave me one more reason to take the whole kit back and exchange i
RP>for one that included the Panasonic 563 drive.
RP>
RP>Depending on what sort of prices you're seeing in your part of the
RP>country, the Reveal or Creative Labs kits (that include the Panasonic
RP>drives) are probably a better deal than the ones that include the
RP>Philips drive.

  Andy, the Fusion Double CD Multimedia kit does *NOT* come with the
Phillips CD Rom Drive.  It comes with a NEC CD Rom drive.  It's true that
the Phillips *used* to come in some of the Media Visions bundles, but I
think if you check it out that you will find that the Fusion Double CD
does not.
  I am happy with my Fusion Double CD kit, including the NEC drive.


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From: DARREN A. KORMAN                       Number: 10200
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/21/93 11:19p
Subj: Rpg vs. all out carnage!                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

  Just a question, how many of you preffer "role playing" to just killing
things?

Darren

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From: MATT GENELIN                           Number: 10201
  To: RICK WILSON                              Date: 12/22/93 12:46a
Subj: RE: AT LAST!                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >>     OH my god! There is a fellow HAM out there after all!
 >
 >Hey!  There's aNOTHER ham out here...ME!
 >
Hey! Don't forget to count me in! (Whoops- you guys have never heard of
me...) Well, the name is Matt, the call is N0YNT. I don't know about some of
the other hams out here, but I'd be wiling to attempt to talk with them! So,
if any of you are in Minn/St.Paul area, (Minnesota) Give a hollar for the
"Young Ninja Turtle" on 147.060 (-)

 >
 >I'm N0FQY/1.  I'm originally from Kansas City Mo, but I moved here to
 >Connecticut a couple years ago.  CT is on the east coast of the states.
 >Don't do much hammin' here.  Have a 2m Yaesu HT and a Uniden 2510 10m
 >mobile.  Live in an apartment and haven't checked on getting a 'tenna up
 >yet.  I don't think it'd be worth the time and trouble to get anything
 >up for 10m....
How come my memory tells me that the "zero" calls are not in that State...

 >
 >Take 'er ez and yakatcha later!
 >
 >... "And to my cat Mittens I leave my entire, vast...BOOT TO THE HEAD!!"
 ... "And to my faithful mother, I leave a can of SPAM..."

73 DE N0YNT, ---Matthew Genelin
SJB Link BBS, [phone]



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From: MICHAEL QUICK                          Number: 10202
  To: STEVE WOELFEL                            Date: 12/22/93 12:00p
Subj: RE: HMM...                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >I live in Florida and dont mind the heat... it's a great change to me.
 >But when it gets down past 65 people go crazy..

\lrYea,  the tempature just started dropping a day or two ago, and we
finally got some snow, though there is only about 2 inches of the white
stuff...  It's about 25 out right now, and no one seems to mind.  Pretty
mild winter (So far)


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From: MICHAEL QUICK                          Number: 10203
  To: STEVE WOELFEL                            Date: 12/22/93 12:02p
Subj: Re: Tempus Fugit                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >Just curious, if you have \rdLegend of the Red Dragon \bron your system,
 >has it ever locked up on you when the person exits it? I know this should be
 >in SL_DOOR, but ohhh well. :)

Nope.   I don't have that game online.  Tried once, but never got it to
unzip.  Lots of errors in the archive, so it died with many other games.

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From: SETH ALSBURY                           Number: 10204
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/23/93  4:58p
Subj: Soundblaster Pro w/Midi Kit and Speakers  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

  I'm selling my soundboard!  It's the real thing, a Soundblaster Pro
Deluxe, along with it, I'm selling a Midi Kit, and a set of speakers!!  All
for around 130 bucks!!!  I've also got some good games to sell..such as:
X-Wing, Rebel Assault, etc...  Drop me a note ASAP, or call and leave a
message at: [phone] Box 3040.

                                                Seth Alsbury.


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From: SETH ALSBURY                           Number: 10205
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/23/93  5:02p
Subj: Soundblaster Pro w/Midi kit and speakers  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

  I'm selling my Soundblaster Pro Deluxe, w/Midi Kit and speakers, all for
around 130 bucks!!!!  Also, some good games:  X-Wing, Rebel Assault, etc..
Drop a note, or call and leave message at: 659-9129 Box 3040.

                                          Seth Alsbury.


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From: SETH ALSBURY                           Number: 10206
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/23/93  5:07p
Subj: Soundblaster Pro w/Midi Kit and speakers  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

  I'm selling my Soundblaster Pro Deluxe, w/Midi kit and speakers all for
only 130 bucks!!!  Also some good games, like X-Wing, Rebel Assault, etc..
Leave a message at 659-9129 box 3040.

                                                 Seth Alsbury.


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From: DARREN A. KORMAN                       Number: 10207
  To: OCELOT                                   Date: 12/23/93  6:10p
Subj: Tw 2000, I agree...                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

  Althogh I do not have merc 2000 I think I would find that to be an
interesting plot understructure (the merc part) I love TW 2000 (you
defanantly don't need 2.2 to play, It supposedly is easyer but it's just the
same) Getting back to TW, I love the Idea, guns and some of the charechter
creation. I've been thinking of picking up "Dark conspiracy" made by the
same guy, I forgot his name. anyway, have you heard anything about this
game?

Darren Korman, Tempus Fugit BBs, MN

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From: MICHAEL QUICK                          Number: 10208
  To: ANDRUE CARR                              Date: 12/24/93  1:35a
Subj: Re: Tempus Fugit                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

ANDRUE CARR scribbled 12-19-93 this assertion to MICHAEL QUICK:
AC>>I live and work in Mounds View, Just north of Minneapolis.  I do like
AC>>minnesota, especially with the tame winter we have had so far...  No bel
AC> oh mounds view, i used to go to muldoons up there and the one accross ro
AC>10 there i think when molly hatchet played up there

I've never been there, but know exactally where you are talking about.  So
why did you leave the tundra?  Work?

DT-QWK, unregistered Version
-=-
■DT-QWK, V 1.2■ I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous.

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From: MICHAEL QUICK                          Number: 10209
  To: CLAUDIO ALVARO                           Date: 12/24/93  1:35a
Subj: Re: Oh-oh...                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

CA>By the way, I believe Nintendo can't do much about ...and besides since
CA>when did they care about limiting single games to single cartridges...? I
CA>they approve the game they stamp their seal on cartridge...that's about h
CA>involved Nintendo is with game manufacturers.
CA>
CA>I believe the legal implications involve the game companies and the
CA>"gadget" manufacturer.

Nintendo itself probally wants to make sure that they pay their licensing
fees to produce their cartridges.  (That's how nintendo makes their money).
If someone goes about creating a product using the technology of nintendo,
the want their money.

DT-QWK, unregistered Version
-=-
■DT-QWK, V 1.2■ I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous.

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From: MICHAEL QUICK                          Number: 10210
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/25/93 10:01a
Subj: Mitsumi CD-ROMS                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I have a Pair of Mitsumi CD-ROMS and would like to chain them together.  the
model number is idx510. I don't think that it is possible according to the
documentation, but I figured that asking wouldn't hurt

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From: MICHAEL QUICK                          Number: 10211
  To: JONATHAN MCGIRR                          Date: 12/25/93 10:15a
Subj: Re: BBS                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >games (The Pit, Global Wars, LOD, TradeWars, SRE), Intermail multiline
 >mailer(Latest Version), WCFF (Latest version), WildMail (latest
 >version), Hitachi CD-ROM and two shareware CD's, Desqview 386 (latest
 >version), 330 Meg ESDI hard disk, EGA Display and card, Dual port 16550
 >async, 386DX25 (8 meg SIMM memory), Keyboard, Tower case, 3.5" floppy,

Are you willing To break this stuff up?  I am interested in Intermail, the
cd-rom ega monitor and card, and the port

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From: RANDI RELANDER                         Number: 10212
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/13/93  9:03p
Subj: BattleTech                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Does anyone out there run a BattleTech campaign using E-Mail?
Interested in procedures and player docs to get people up and running
who have never played BattleTech before.  Trying something similar here
on local message base but do not want to re-invent the toaster.

Later, Randi ...

btw, is there enough interest to break BattleTech into its own
conference?
-=-
 ■ SLMR 2.1 ■ All wiyht.  Rho sritched mg kegtops awound?

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From: DARREN A. KORMAN                       Number: 10213
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/16/93  9:01p
Subj: Games...                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

  Greetings fellow RPGers. Do any of you guys play Tw2000?  I really like it
(the Idea anyway) but I have no one around here who wants to play it.

Darren Korman, Player of D&D, AD&D, Robotech, startinig battle tech, and
TW2000

Origin: Tempus Fugit, (612)-780-7991, Minnesota (It ain't cold out!)

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From: RANDI RELANDER                         Number: 10214
  To: OCELOT                                   Date: 12/20/93  5:59p
Subj: BattleTech                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

a) Tone down your flames, no one wants to listen to that kind of
   <expletive deleted>

b) Most of what you said about FASA is true, but hey, make a buck or go
   under.  More power to 'em ...

c) Most people use BattleTech as a combat simulation (armored combat
   and tactics) not as a role-playing system.  Even MechWarrior, which
   "poses" as a role-playing system, is focused on combat simulation.
   Personal combat, sure, but combat none-the-less.

d) Drink more of the "beverage of your choice" and take gaming less
   seriously ... :-)

Later, Randi ...

-=-
 ■ SLMR 2.1 ■ My reality check just bounced.

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From: JIM HOBBS                              Number: 10215
  To: TIM SCHOOLER                             Date: 12/25/93  7:03a
Subj: CDROM DRIVE                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Sony CDU-541 SCSI I/II internal CDROM drive. Low usage

Hi, Tim.  Long time no talk.  I have one of those too (from the original MV MM
upgrade kit).  What did you replace yours with?

        Jim

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From: MIKE ROMARD                            Number: 10216
  To: MIKE SHANNON                             Date: 12/25/93 11:17a
Subj: CD-Rom Door                             Refer: NONE
Read: NO                                    Private: No

Hi!

   There's a reliable person in every echo, and I've been reading for awhile,
and you seem to be the one to talk to for BBS CD's. I just hope it doesn't go
to your head by the time I'm calling to fill my 6 disc changer <g>  I should
need about 10 CD's at the time. Anyway, before I do all that I want to find out
what are the best CD-ROM doors that you are aware of.... I'm using MAXIMUS BBS
v2.01wb, FEBBS (file manager) both to be OS/2 when things get rolling.. do you
know of an OS/2 (preferred) or DOS CD-Rom door that rocks. I'm willing to pay
$30US registration fee for a solid door program... and is it really necessary?
Is there any other way around it?  Do I have to designate a drive number for
each CD? What if I have two 6 disc changers? Are there technically 26 drive
letters? Will it work across a network? I will have several lines...Thanks in
advance.


Merry Christmas,
.\\ike

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From: PETER GRAVES                           Number: 10217
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/25/93  1:59p
Subj: Man Enough                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

HELLLPPPP.  I just recieved the game Man Enough from my sister for christmas
and there is a problem with the sound.  It takes the cd a while to start and
them it will change to a sound like noise.  Can anyone out there help me
PLEASE?

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From: BOB HARRIMAN                           Number: 10218
  To: MICHAEL HILL                             Date: 12/24/93  1:04p
Subj: FILE DESCRIPTIONS FOR CD'               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Does anyone know if there is a Files.BBS or description file for
-> these two

-> 1.  Therapy Data      Volume 3         CBCD Publishing
Michael, Would be nice. I am working on the volume now and have files A
& B done,flis,dl's and Gl's. One slow process to say the least.
I also have Corporate Graphics Disk #1 I need a file listing for.
Have called the Authors BB numerious times leaving messages concerning
the list and he won't reply. Seems like I have to join his Adult section
to get the list which I won't do some 2000 miles away. Told him I didn't
think that was a way to do business. Wanted to get volume #2 but with
the way I have been treated that is out.
Just can't vision people not supporting their products knowing full well
that they can retain previous customers for new products....

---
 ■ RM 1.0  ■ Eval Day 1 ■ Just Another Happy Wildcat Sysop..

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From: SEAN SINICO                            Number: 10219
  To: ELLEN COTTON                             Date: 12/25/93  8:48p
Subj: Re: SCSIworks                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

   -=> Ellen Cotton Said this and Now I'm doing something <=-

 EC> I purchased SCSI WORKS by Trantor from HDSS, Sunnyvale, CA,
 EC> 1-800-252-9777 for $59...list I believe is $79. HDSS

        Ellen, thank you very much for your help.  I am planning on purchasing
a copy for myself on monday.  Thank you again.

sean sinico
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From: SEAN SINICO                            Number: 10220
  To: MICHAEL GUIDRY                           Date: 12/25/93  8:49p
Subj: Re: Scsiworks                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

   -=> Michael Guidry Said this and Now I'm doing something <=-

 MG> To obtain SCSI or ASPI drivers for other
 MG> types of SCSI devices (optical drives, hard disks, removable drives,
 MG> etc. ), contact Trantor Systems at 1-800-TRANTOR (872-6867).  Get the
 MG> product called SCSIworks! by Trantor.
 MG> I understand that SCSIworks costs $70-$80.

        Michael, thank you very much.  Another person has also informed me,
 with similar information, and a seemingly lower price.  And after buying the
 drive, the lower price is just what I need!

 Thanks again,

 sean sinico
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From: BOB DUNN                               Number: 10221
  To: JOHN BARTA                               Date: 12/25/93 12:23p
Subj: Wanted Beatles CD                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JB> It's available from CD-ROM WAREHOUSE, 1-800-237-6623, <$30.
BD>It's only for a MAC though, right? Is there a DOS version coming
BD>out?

JB> That's  what  I thought at first, until I read their ad. I just took
JB> delivery of the windoze version.  I'm  giving  it  to  my  wife  for
JB> *hristmas. :-)

WOW! Give me some details! How does it look? Is it Interactive or just the
movie? How is the sound? Can you freeze it, capture stills etc? I hope you you
have a very nice holiday!
                                    Bob
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From: BOB DUNN                               Number: 10222
  To: WILLIAM SCHNEIDER, JR.                   Date: 12/25/93 12:24p
Subj: Wanted Beatles CD                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BD>JB> It's available from CD-ROM WAREHOUSE, 1-800-237-6623, <$30.
BD>
BD>It's only for a MAC though, right? Is there a DOS version coming
BD>out?

WJ> The Windows Quick Time version is now out.

Can you give me any details on it? What is "Quick Time"?

                         Bob
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From: CHARLES STRUSZ @ 970/201               Number: 10223
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/25/93  8:58p
Subj: Custom cd-rom recording -               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

@SUBJECT:Custom CD-ROM Recording - Small Quantities                  N
              LOW QUANTITY CD-ROM DUPLICATION AND PRODUCTION

    Now is the time to get your .ZIP file collection moved onto CD-ROM! We can
cut a custom CD for you overnight!  680 Meg capacity, standard CD-ROM!  This
means you can transfer all those uploads to CD-ROM and free up storage space on
your hard drive!  We've done hundreds of Disks, many for BBS systems just like
yours! Absolute confidentiality!

    Here's the best part: $105 plus $9 per tape!  Need to back up, dupe or
recut with mods an existing CD? $105!  Want 1 to 100 extra copies? Single
copies $36, Low as $16.00 each! No job is too small for CD now! Move that data
off the hard drive and onto inexpensive permanent media! GREAT FOR BBS files or
backups! Call InfoQuest and get your job scheduled today!

    Free consultations and instructions available. Just set up your drive(s)
like you want them, tape back them up, and ship 'em to us! We'll restore from
the tapes and write your stuff to CD-ROM and return it all back via Priority
Mail! Fast and No-Peek Private!

  TYPICAL COSTS:    $194.70 Complete!   Cost breakout as follows:

      Shipping to InfoQuest...............................$   2.90
      Dump 5 DC2120 Tapes to Spindle, @ $9 ea.............$  45
      74 Minute, 680 Meg CD Recording.....................$ 105
      Return Shipping to you..(Tapes shipped separately)..$   5.80
      1 Extra Copy of the Disk (While Data on Spindle)....$  36

  InfoQuest,  150 Pleasant Hill Road,  Carbondale, IL  62901-9702
          1-[phone] - (FAX) 453-8517 (BBS) 453-8511

CD Technicians:  Terry, Charlie, GI; General Information: Mark, Mike, Ken,
Rocket, Chuck, Jon, Kelly, and Sharon.  Family Owned!

     NEW!  NO FILENAME RESTRICTIONS!  !@#%$%^_- ARE ALL OK!


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From: STEWART ROTHMAN                        Number: 10224
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/25/93 12:22p
Subj: Corel 4 for Sale                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

For Sale, CorelDraw Ver 4 CD Version, includes three disks, Disk one Program
and Clipart and Disk #2 Corel Tour. Also Rev B Patch CD to upgrade to latest
Version with all latest bug fixes. All three CD's with manuals
complete.......asking $110.00, but no REASONABLE offer refused. I just don't
like Version 4. I'm very happy with Version Two and I feel that I made a
mistake by buying this. I don't like the roll-ups and the new spell checker
doesn't seem to be worth the upgrade to me. Version two is, IMHO much more
user friendly and quicker tp use. I've removed all of Ver 4 from my system and
doubt if I'll ever upgrade past two. Leave NetMail or call [phone].

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From: DAVE REED                              Number: 10225
  To: JULIEN PIERRE                            Date: 12/25/93  4:35p
Subj: THIS ECHO                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Julien!

Thursday December 23 1993 02:38, Julien Pierre wrote to Gordon Peterson:

 JP>  + Origin: ChaOS/2 BBS near Paris, France - [phone] (2:320/215)
 JP> (2:320/215)

Many of us have done the same thing...  you may want to check your
configuration and remove your node number from the Origin line, as the software
automatically puts it in.  As you can see, you have two of them.  ;-)

Later,

Dave

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From: PAUL HARDY                             Number: 10226
  To: MIKE BILOW                               Date: 12/25/93  5:37a
Subj: Pioneer DRM-602X changer                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

MB> PH> I just bought a Pioneer DRM-602X. Can anyone tell me if pin 38 on
  > PH> the connecter really supplies TPower/Terminal Power/Whatever
MB>I can't speak to the specific device, but it is standard on SCSI devices tha
  >they can either have their terminator installed or not.  The devices on the
  >ends of the bus, usually including the changer if it is the only external
  >device, must be terminated, while all of the other devices must not be
  >terminated.

Yes, I realise all this. I need info on this specific device (which I
now have, incidentally). Pioneer pretend to have it in the docs, but
don't in the device itself. Way to go, Pioneer.


 * QMPro 1.51 * Optimist: Yugo owner with a trailer hitch.


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From: STEVEN STEPP                           Number: 10227
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/25/93  1:09p
Subj: VIDEO OUTPUT                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Help please!  I just got a CD ROM and sound card.  This was bundled with
Microsoft multimedia pack for windows 3.1.  The sound is fine but the video
stinks.  I am running a 25Mhz 386 with 8 megs of memory.
There is no math co-processor or special windows ex card.  Is ther anything I
can do to get the video to play correctly?


Merry Christmas
and thanks for the help

 Steve
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From: LAWRENCE MINTZ                         Number: 10228
  To: NORM HILL                                Date: 12/25/93  8:37p
Subj: Cr-562                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Can somebody point in the right direction of how to
 > get a Panisonic
 > CR-562 work with OS/2.  It works fine in DOS but when
 > I try to install
 > the OS/2 upgrade,(which has 2 disks and a CD-ROM) it
 > doesn't recognize
 > the CD. I download a driver from the Creative Labs BBS
 > and installed it
 > in the OS/2 Config.sys file and it still doesn't
 > recognize the drive.
 > Any suggestions?

Three questions.  Does the drive itself work under ANY operating system (ie,
PC/MS-DOS?)  Is the driver you downloaded meant for OS/2 2.1?  How did you
install it in your config.sys file?

The instructions say to make a copy of disk 1 (the second disk, since IBM likes
to start their count at zero,) add the device driver to the root directory and
edit the config.sys file to add the line "BASEDEV=<drivername>" to the end of
the file.  Then boot using disk 0 and then disk 1.  If it still is not
recognized, you need to talk with Creative Labs, since it is obviously not
supported by IBM if the file didn't come from them.

Larry

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From: TOM MILLER                             Number: 10229
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/26/93  8:51a
Subj: sony double speed cd-rom drive          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Greetings All !

I'm having trouble installing my Sony drive I got for Christmas.  The
drive came with a 5.25" (HiLite Sony CDU 31A Driver Ver. 1.61) I
understand I should throw this driver away.  It also comes with a 3.5"
Sound Galaxy SG NX II V2.31 that has a utility subdirectory on it with a
instatcd.exe that has drivers on it, specifically the mscdex.exe which
generates a driver "/d:mscd000" that my computer a DTK 50mhz does not
recongnize.  Can anyone help me out.

     Thanks

-=[Tom Miller]=-

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From: JAMES RODRIGUEZ                        Number: 10230
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/25/93  9:56p
Subj: Star trek                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

does anyone know how much star trek (the new one ) cost. I have heard it's
coming out on cd soon.
===
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From: SCOTT DAVIS                            Number: 10231
  To: JOE SITKO                                Date: 12/26/93 10:12a
Subj: 7TH GUEST & SVGA QUESTION               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JS>I just bought a used copy of 7th Guest on CD.  I didn't realize it at the
JS>time I bought it, that it needs SVGA to run.  My question is," Can I
JS>just go out and buy a SVGA card to replace my VGA card, and will my
JS>monitor (VGA) still work, or do I need to go out and get a new card AND
JS>new monitor?"

SVGA and VGA aren't really the problem.. make sure your monitor will handle
640x480 mode and you should be fine..

JS>What card would one recommend and how much are they going for?

Any brand of card will do.. make sure it has at least 512K though for 256 colo
in 640x480 mode.. Just make sure its fast (A trident or better will work.. I
personally use and like cards with a Cirrus Logic chip but the Tseng Labs
ET-4000 cards are also nice..) Also, I do recommend looking into a new monitor
which will handle higher resolutions..
  l8r,
   Scott

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From: RALPH LINDEMANN                        Number: 10232
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/24/93 12:00p
Subj: COREL SCSI                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello everybody!

Does anybody have some information on Corel SCSI Version 2.0 ??? Does it
really speed up your CD ROM drive etc?

I'm using a Toshiba 3401 SCSI CD ROM.... Thanks for any advice you can
give me.

CU RALPH
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From: CHRIS DURHAM                           Number: 10233
  To: DAVID PRIEST                             Date: 12/22/93 10:57a
Subj: Price of Pioneer 604X                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello David!

Sunday December 19 1993 09:22, David Priest wrote to Chris Durham:

 >> What's the best price I can expect to buy one of these beasties for,
 >> bearing in mind that I'm in the UK and as such shipping would have to be
 >> added.

 > In the UK these are selling for at best about 875-900 + vat.

Cheers, I thought they'd be like that, so I decided to forgo the experience and
bought a 1.7Gb HD for considerably less ;)  Hmm, wonder if I copied 7thGuest to
the HD it'd run a bit faster [grin]

Rgds/2
Chris

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From: PAUL SMITH                             Number: 10234
  To: TONY CORKERY                             Date: 12/21/93 10:57a
Subj: Re: CorelDRAW V3 CD                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Tony,

Sunday December 19 1993, Tony Corkery writes to All:

 TC> I realise that the Mitsumi only accesses the first 600MB but there seems

Rubbish! I have a Mitsumi and it reads my GigaByte Gold CD disk which is 700+
megs.

Regards,

Paul

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From: BRYAN ANSLOW                           Number: 10235
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/22/93  1:08p
Subj: Windows and PC's Cr*p                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi All,

having been in the MainFrame business for some 20 years, for the last 18
months I have entered the world of PC's, and there seems to be one big
difference between the two worlds - "reliability and robustness".  (Or
is that 2 differences?).

I, like many other PC users, seem to put up with software which crashes
with alarming regularity, for instance Windows which seems to have no
hardware error recovery whatsoever with the tiniest I/O error on a
floppy disk causing an immediate exit to DOS.

My recent experiences in trying to setup the Kodak Photo CD Access
software are a case in point.

Firstly, I try to get the Readme.wri file into windows write, oops, the
infamous "an error has occurred in your application" message, followed
by the even more infamous "WRITE caused a GPF in WRITE.EXE".  Trying to
load it into Word for Windows 2.0 says that the conversion of this file
is 100% complete, then hangs!

Next, the minimum swap file size requirement for Kodak is said to be
12Mb, I have 8Mb RAM and two 100Mb drives, both stacked, with a 17 Mb
unstacked area free on one of them which houses an 8Mb swapfile.  Try as
I can I cannot get windows to use any more than 8Mb of the space so I
cannot allocate a 12Mb swap file, even though there is space for one, so
I set up a temporary 17Mb one.

On trying to run the Kodak setup program, windows tells me that there
isn't enough memory to run the application! and that I should quit some
applications - well, there ain't any other applications running, and the
About box tells me that I have 16Mb and 83% free resources.  Hooking
into the network and allocating a huge temporary swap file on a Network
Drive, (non-existant performance I know), gives the same insufficient
memory message.  Must be a problem with Temporary Swap files I suppose.

Back to a permanent swap file, 8Mb of course.  Now setup runs for a
while and then comes up with the brilliant message "Setup failed,
insufficient disk space or memory", well, which one is it?  If I wrote
code for the mainframe which gave out indeterminate messages like that I
would soon be out of a job!

So I try to run setup again, now I am faced with a barrage of General
Protection Faults in one thing or another

Now, for some reason, a directory listing of the CD's \Windows directory
reveals that only half of the files are in the directory.

Opening and closing the drive door to cause the directory to be re-read
seems to successfully remove the rest of the files from the directory.
Backing up to the root directory reveals that there are now no files on
the CD at all!   Eventually, File Manager tells me that there is, in
fact, no disk in the drive!  It has, therefore, obviously vaporised into
the PC.

It gets better; A CTL-ALT-DEL re-boot and a DOS DIR shows that there is
still no data, this then degrades into a "CD-ROM Not Ready,
R(etry).....etc".  But that's not all, after a Reset Reboot I get a
"Divide Overflow" on attempting to switch to the CD drive, trying to
switch to it again gives "CD-ROM not High Sierra or ISO-9660".  Typing
Retry now gives "CD-ROM EMS Memory Bad". It takes a Power Off and on to
clear this problem.

Now, I copy the windows directory from the CD-ROM to my D: drive and run
setup from there - wonder of wonders, everything installs ok and even
the readme.wri file is OK. Reading the photos from the CD works as well
- for a while, then we're into "CD in Drive is not a Photo CD Disk"
etc., etc.

Power off/on again I suppose, but why doesn't the device driver
check/flush/reinstate the CD-ROM EMS when it loads? Why do I need a
power off to reset it?

Now I realise that the problems, in this case, are to do with conflicts
between the CD-ROM hardware/software and other hardware/software within
the PC, but why is it allowed to occur?  Why should I have to pull out
that card if I want to run this application or remove that driver to run
this application with that hardware?  Hardly a seamless switch from one
application to another.

The answer is; shoddy hardware and software products which barely do the
job they are supposed to and follow no standards for memory allocation,
hardware recognition, interrupt generation, meaningless error messages,
etc.

I guess that people are prepared to put up with half-written code that
has little or no error recovery just so long as the price is kept low.
I just hope that the stuff I am writing for windows at the moment is
just a tad better.

I would personally be prepared to pay a little more for a product which
worked rather than have to spend half an hour removing hardware/software
so that a particular application will run without any problems.

What do the rest of you think?

Bryan.


For those of you who may be interested, I run a 386/33DX with 8Mb RAM,
2x100Mb disks-stacked, with a Panasonic CR562B CD drive running off a
SoundBlaster Pro (IRQ 10, IO Base 220, DMA 1), with MSCDEX 2.22, and
Creative Labs sbcd.sys Driver, dated 16jul93.  Also a CMS401-11 MPU
card, (IRQ's 3+7, IO Base 330) and a NE2000 Network Card, (IRQ 5, IO
Base 340).  Software is DOS 5 and Windows 3.1.



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From: BRYAN ANSLOW                           Number: 10236
  To: CLIVE CARMOCK                            Date: 12/22/93  1:30p
Subj: Panasonic 562B                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Clive,

 CC> Does anyone know if software to enable audio CD's to be played in a
 CC> Panasonic 562B CD ROm drive exist, and if so where I might be able to
 CC> get them?

Yes, I've got a couple of shareware ones and a commercially available
one, just look around whatever BBS's you frequent.  Otherwise there is
one which Microsoft supplies with windows and one which Creative Labs
supplies with the soundblaster.

 CC> When using this drive with a Soundblaster 16 is CDMKE40.SYS the
 CC> correct driver?

I have CDMKE43.SYS which came with the drive, but I use Creative Labs
latest SBCD.SYS, dated 16JULY93.

Cheers,

Bryan.

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From: KEVIN WRIGHT                           Number: 10237
  To: CLIVE CARMOCK                            Date: 12/22/93  7:48p
Subj: Panasonic 562B                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Clive!

20 Dec 93 23:51, Clive Carmock wrote to All:

 CC> Does anyone know if software to enable audio CD's to be played in a
 CC> Panasonic 562B CD ROm drive exist, and if so where I might be able to get
 CC> them?

You should have got some s/ware with the drive, but if not then what comms prog
do you use?

Try Terminate as its brilliant and has CD player built in.

Freq (or first time d/load) from my origin.


Kevin

Internet:  [e-mail]


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From: WILLIAM WRIGHT                         Number: 10238
  To: MICHAEL DAUM                             Date: 12/26/93  6:28p
Subj: AUDIO CD PROGRAM                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

MD>Look for a windows program called Hitline or ACDP (both are
MD>shareware),

I might, but they're for Windoze.


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From: SAM FIGUEROA                           Number: 10239
  To: GREGG KERNES                             Date: 12/26/93  4:20p
Subj: A quick question                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

GK>I have a question for those familar with using DOS 6.2.

GK>Is it true that you need 8megs to use the CD ROM cache feature?  Yes?
GK> No?

GK>Thanks in advance.......


GK>--- Opus-CBCS 1.73a
GK> * Origin: Dr Rom II BBS (1:152/29.0)
 As far as I know, I'm using it with 5 megs of memory but only have a
 meg set aside for the cache and it seems to work great, I usually use
 CD Speedway when I wanna view gifs off the cd or something that needs
 speed! I also have another called Lightning CD, but I don't really like
 it as much as CD Speedway
                                        Sam Figueroa


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From: SAM FIGUEROA                           Number: 10240
  To: BORIS OSADCIW                            Date: 12/26/93  4:29p
Subj: CD-ROM CATALOG                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No



Boris,
        Would you send me a copy of your CD Catalog. Your BBS number is long
        distance for me.

       Thanks.

RE>                Rick Ehlers
RE>                328 N. Carr Rd.
RE>                Plainfield, IN   46168
RE>                rick.ehlers.compustuff.com
RE>                1:231/865

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RE>(1:231/865)
 Boris,
        I am very sorry I never got back to ya on NightOwl 10, but I had
        a few problems and am now over them! I ordered Pier 3 and
        some crappy CDROM of CDROMS disc and am dissatisfied with both
        of them and the time it took to ship them! I ordered COD and it
        got here in TN in about 6 or 7 days! Thats crappy! I feel like I
        should have done business with ya and I wanna order another
        shareware disc which is better than Pier 3, I like Pier 3, but
        not much variety on it! I do also believe it has a virus on it
        to, as I got the same virus that NO10 had on it in the file
        SF2-Up.zip,(memory Lapse) and I never touched the file on NO10,
        I used a file similar on my Pier 3 and seemed to get the virus
        overnight!!! Can u recommend a good Shareware CD, I have heard
        of a few new ones like CD Powerbox 2. I would also like a price
        on Mayo Home Health Clinic, if ya don't mind! I was wonder do
        you have any adult cd's that contain pictures of famous movie
        stars or famous people! I saw an old Busty Babes CD but cannot
        remeber which version it was! Does the new BB have those kind of
        .GIF's on it!

                                        Thanks for your time,
                                        Sam Figueroa
                                        Sam's Software
'                                       [phone]
BTW Where are ya located!


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From: MIKE GERVASI                           Number: 10241
  To: GREGG KERNES                             Date: 12/25/93  9:51p
Subj: Re: A quick question                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting Gregg Kernes to All <=-

 GK> Is it true that you need 8megs to use the CD ROM cache feature?  Yes?
 GK> No?

     No.
     You do not need that much memory to use the CD cache in 6.2
                                   Mike


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From: MIKE GERVASI                           Number: 10242
  To: STEAN SNYMAN                             Date: 12/25/93 10:14p
Subj: Re: T7G Maze                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting Stean Snyman to All <=-

 SS> Please don't tell me I need to figure out that MAZE in t7g?..  Isn't
 SS> there an easier way?.. (I HATE mazes, and I don't classify them as
 SS> puzzles :))

     I noticed when I was doing the Chess puzzle (the one with the bishops)
     that the rug in front of it has a map of a maze on it. Could this be
     for the one you're speaking of?
                              Mike



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From: JULIA SIDEBOTTOM                       Number: 10243
  To: KEVIN PLUMMER                            Date: 12/25/93  9:49p
Subj: Monster Media                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > On 22 Dec 93  10:08:30, I heard Herman Wiggins shout
 > to All:

 > HW> Hello All!
 > HW>
 > HW> Has anyone ever heard of a BBS ready Cd-rom called Monster Media..if so
 > HW> I would like to get a copy of it...I am using Wildcat BBS therefore it
 > HW> must be have files.bbs thanks for any help anyone maybe able to give me
 > HW> on this CD...

 > Yes,  I have this disk... Like it alot.   Call Hershel
 > Saylor at (317)
 > 881-9391 he has it.


I have the Monster Disk series sitting right here in front of me. I ordered it
from:
        4 CD'S Corproation
        50 Howe Ave
        Millbury, MA 01527

  The total cost for the two disk set ws $49.45 (this included delivery
charges).  They have a 1-800 phone number but I don't have it handy right now.
I am very pleased with the two disk set and use it on my bbs daily.  I have
Mosnter Disc 92. (this was the last release.)  Hope this helps you out...
Julia Sidebottom


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From: TOM DREWYOUR                           Number: 10244
  To: CHRISTIAN HEDEMARK                       Date: 12/26/93 12:15a
Subj: Re: Multi-CD Drives?                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

   Following along the same line, I am looking for some info on what needs be
done to chain 2 cdrom drives.  Can I use 1 controller card with a half twist in
the ribbon cable like floppy drives or is something a little more complicated
involved?

                                         Tom Drewyour

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From: JOE RINEHART                           Number: 10245
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/27/93 12:59a
Subj: !free Cd catalog!                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

*********** FREE HUGE CD-ROM DISC & accessories CATALOG!*************
For the largest selection & lowest prices, get our NEW catalog...
If you'd like a printed copy, send your mailing information to us.
We offer CDLIST file attach's upon request.
CATALOG FREQ: cdlist.zip    (over 1,100 cd-rom disc titles available)
        Internet: [e-mail]
    FidoNet: 1:157/479 - RBBSNet 8:965/13 - KesherNet 18:711/176
Joe Rinehart / config.sys, Inc.    Voice: [phone]  -  24 hours
P.O. Box 27                        Data/Fax: [phone]
Kent, Ohio 44240-0001              >>>INTERNATIONAL ORDERS WELCOME<<<

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From: JOE RINEHART                           Number: 10246
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/27/93 12:59a
Subj: Cd-rom Drives+                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

********* Refurbished  Hitachi Model 3600 CD-ROM DRIVES $130 *********
********* Refurbished  Hitachi Model 3500 CD-ROM DRIVES $120 *********
********* Refurbished SCSI NEC Model 36   CD-ROM DRIVES $130 *********
These units are also available needing refurbished at 50% off!
    Great for BBS usage, buy 8 drives and get an instant 5.44 Gigs!
           Internet: [e-mail]
      FidoNet 1:157/479 - RBBSNet 8:965/13 - KesherNet 18:711/176
Joe Rinehart / config.sys, Inc.     Voice: [phone]  -  24 hours
P.O. Box 27                         Data/Fax: [phone]
Kent, Ohio 44240-0001               >>>INTERNATIONAL ORDERS WELCOME<<<

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From: JERRY THOMSON                          Number: 10247
  To: JIM LAMBERT                              Date: 12/26/93  6:58p
Subj: Big Sky Special                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Could you netmail me your catalog file at 1:2202/5..

Thanks, Jerry

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From: SHEA WHITE                             Number: 10248
  To: ROBIN COPELAND                           Date: 12/24/93  6:10p
Subj: Virous                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

A virous will do about the same thing as you did when you deleted
your autoexec.bat file. It probably won't erase any files but your
computer will not run right. There is not much to worry about when
downloading because the sysop's often check their programs. If you do get one
it is simple just delete the the entire program where the virous is
you will know because when you run a program with a virous in it it will
mess up, delete that program and if you have a good copy put it back in your
computer. I haven't used a program to delete virouses I just delete them
myself, so I don't know how they work. You can ask one of the sysops wich one
they use. I will call the BBS and help you out on the game.
See you there.
                           Shea White

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From: GREG PARLIER                           Number: 10249
  To: JOE RINEHART                             Date: 12/25/93 12:37p
Subj: cdrom list                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I would like to get a copy of your cdrom list.
Thank you for your cooperation.
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From: BORIS OSADCIW                          Number: 10250
  To: GARY HUFF                                Date: 12/26/93 12:07a
Subj: Re: NetMail                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On 22 Dec 93 01:40am, Gary Huff wrote to Boris Osadciw:

BO>> Please feel free to give us a call at 800-243-0517 to work out the
BO>> deal on the "Cream Of The Crop II".
>>
>>    Boris, what credit cards do you accept?


Visa / MasterCard / C.O.D

Hope this helps....


Boris Osadciw

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From: BORIS OSADCIW                          Number: 10251
  To: JACK WIGGINS                             Date: 12/26/93 12:07a
Subj: Re: BATTLECHESS                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On 21 Dec 93 12:47am, Jack Wiggins wrote to All:

>>    I'm sure that I saw (at one time before I had a CD)
>>    Battlechess on a CD-ROM disk version.  Unfortunately, I can't
>>    find it new or used now.  Does anyone know if this
>>    sadistically bloody version of chess was ever released on CD
>>    or if it's still available?  I'd sure love to find a copy.
>>    <grin!>


Have a number of copies of the Enhanced version of " Battle Chess" !

Interested, give us a call at 216-225-3263 anytime and we'll be happy
to take care of your needs.


Boris Osadciw

... Every Silver lining has a clone around it.
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From: BORIS OSADCIW                          Number: 10252
  To: BERT VAAGS                               Date: 12/26/93 12:07a
Subj: Re: List                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On 13 Dec 93 10:54pm, Bert Vaags wrote to All:

>>    Hello All!

>>    I am desperately searching for the next cd's:


>>    Dracula Unleashed,
>>    The 11th Hour,

We have "Dracula Unleashed" in stock as well as "Rebal Assault".

If your interested, drop us a fax request at 216-225-6759 anytime or
you can contact us voice at 216-225-3263 and we'd be happy to assist you
further.

Hope this helps.....


Boris Osadciw

... Who Killed Superman?
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From: BORIS OSADCIW                          Number: 10253
  To: JIMMY MADDEN                             Date: 12/26/93 12:07a
Subj: Re: MAC CD-ROM drive advice needed..    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On 21 Dec 93 11:46pm, Jimmy Madden wrote to All:

>>    If anyone out there is using a CD-ROM drive on their
>>    Macintosh, I would appreciate your input on the best value
>>    drive for the money, in terms if access speed, data transfer
>>    rate, and cost.  It will mostly be used for the new CD-ROM
>>    based games in the beginning, if that makes any difference.
>>    Any opinions will be greatly appreciated!

>>    Thanks!

Jimmy, as long you as you have a MAC SCSI interface, you can connect
just about any cdrom player to your system. As for the most value for your
dollar, that would depend on what your needs were as to what you'd want
to install.

We'd be happy to help you with your selection, if you'd like. Please feel
free to give us a call at 216-225-3263 anytime !!


Boris Osadciw

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From: BORIS OSADCIW                          Number: 10254
  To: HERMAN WIGGINS                           Date: 12/26/93 12:07a
Subj: Re: Monster Media                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On 22 Dec 93 10:08am, Herman Wiggins wrote to All:

>>    Hello All!

>>    Has anyone ever heard of a BBS ready Cd-rom called Monster
>>    Media..if so I would like to get a copy of it...I am using
>>    Wildcat BBS therefore it must be have files.bbs thanks for any
>>    help anyone maybe able to give me on this CD...


Yep, we have it in stock and ready for shipping. We also have over 50 other
shareware titles to select from as well.

Please feel free to give us a call at 216-225-3263 anytime and we'll
be happy to assist you further.


Boris Osadciw

... Be Young! Have Fun! Use Silver Xpress!
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From: BORIS OSADCIW                          Number: 10255
  To: CHRISTIAN HEDEMARK                       Date: 12/26/93 12:07a
Subj: Re: Multi-CD Drives?                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On 23 Dec 93 02:28pm, Christian Hedemark wrote to Al Faubion:

>>    *** Quoting Al Faubion to Ryan Thompson about Multi-CD Drives?
>>    *


AF>> Sorry Ryan, I don't realy have any experience w/ that type o device.
AF>> Maybe you could switch the multiple drives so that you could so that you
AF>> could access them seperately while having them all conncted to your switch
AF>> box.

>>    Well, Al, Pioneer makes two CD ROM changers that will each
>>    hold six disks. They use the same caddies as the Pioneer audio
>>    CD changers.

Not for long !!! You'll be seeing a single unit that will offer quad spin
come out of the Pioneer camp soon !!


>>    I have heard about a 10 disk changer out there, but have yet
>>    to see it.


Here again, it's an 18 disk changer and not a 10 disk unit. It should be
out real soon now !!

>>    Anyway, though, there is no reason you couldn't hook up 6
>>    Mitsumi CD ROM drives (since SCSI is good at that sort of
>>    thing) and assign each drive a different letter.  It's also
>>    cheaper than the Pioneer 6 Disc unit that way. That's how I am
>>    going to do it for my BBS; just buy one drive as I can afford
>>    it and chain it to the others.

Ahhh, Mitsumi isn't a SCSI unit !  Yes, you can install 6 of them in your
system as long as you have 6 open slots on your system.

As far as being affordable, not so again, since you can purchase a Pioneer
600 for $739. So, if you take 6 Mitsumi's and say they were worth $150.
each, you'd have $900. stuck into them and you's use up 6 slots and a
ton of IRQ's.

>>    BTW- does anyone out there know of a SCSI-2 CD ROM drive that
>>    is pretty cheap? I want to utilize the feature of SCSI-2 that
>>    allows you to read multiple drives simultaneously.  Thanks

Yep, we have a few and their as cheap as $185.

Interested, give us a call ta 216-225-3263 anytime and we'll be happy
to assist you further.

Boris Osadciw

... Who Killed Superman?
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From: BORIS OSADCIW                          Number: 10256
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/26/93 12:29a
Subj: Best Shareware Around                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

            C R E A M     O F     T H E     C R O P    I I

OVER 654 MEGS New Shareware   4987 Files Dated '93'  Dup Checked
Virus Checked                 Files.BBS Support      Multi Line Discription
Mouse Support Menu            14Megs Prog Code       Plus MORE !!!
Only 200 prog Older Than April '93' - 10% Dup to NO10, Pier3, Software Gold

DEALERS WELCOME.......      PRICE - $25.

ORDERS ONLY US/CAN 800-243-0517  TECH/QUES 216-225-3263   FAX [phone]

Boris Osadciw

... Press F1 to Reboot
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From: BORIS OSADCIW                          Number: 10257
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/26/93 12:29a
Subj: CDROM Systems                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

**************** C D - R O M    D R I V E   P R I C E S ****************
Chinon Int 340ms Kit    - $359.00  Chinon Ext 340ms Kit -  $449.00 -SCSI
NEC 74 280ms Ext Bare   - $379.00  NEC 84 280ms Int Bare - $349.00 -SCSI
Panasonic 562 Int Kit   - $249.00  Phillips Int 400ms Bare $185.00 -SCSI
Pioneer DMR600 Bare     - $729.00  Pioneer DMR604X Bare  - $1069.  -SCSI
Texel Int 245ms w/ctl   - $369.00  Texel Ext 245ms Bare  - $469.00 -SCSI
Texel Int 3021 Bare  Dr - $189.00  Texel Ext Complete Kit- $569.00 -SCSI
Toshiba Int 3401B Bare  - $389.00  Toshiba Ext 3401B Bare- $489.00 -SCSI

 Groilers Encyc DOS v6.  $49.          ALL ChestNuts CD's $10.00ec
ORDER'S ONLY US/CAN 800-243-0517 TECH/QUES 216-225-3263 FAX [phone]


Boris Osadciw

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From: JOHN GASKILL                           Number: 10258
  To: JACK WIGGINS                             Date: 12/25/93  9:25a
Subj: Re: BATTLECHESS                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Jack Wiggins babbled this nonsense to All re: BATTLECHESS on 21 Dec 93
00:47:18 <=-

 JW> @MSGID: 1:227/3 2d164796
 JW> I'm sure that I saw (at one time before I had a CD) Battlechess on a
 JW> CD-ROM disk version.  Unfortunately, I can't find it new or used now.
 JW> Does anyone know if this sadistically bloody version of chess was ever
 JW> released on CD or if it's still available?  I'd sure love to find a
 JW> copy.  <grin!>


        Sure was.......got a copy rightcheeer........can be found just about
        anywhere that sells CD games, CompUsa, etc...



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From: JOHN GASKILL                           Number: 10259
  To: JANUSZ SUROWKA                           Date: 12/25/93  9:29a
Subj: Re: 7Th Guest & SVGA question           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Janusz Surowka babbled this nonsense to Joe Sitko re: 7Th Guest & SVGA
question on 21 Dec 93  17:29:01 <=-


 JS> As for the type of V-Card that you want, get whatever, /w atleast 512K
 JS> on it, but dont buy a Oak or a Trident!!
 JS> Paradise is allright, Ati, Diamond are great!!



        Any particular reason?  Care to substantiate that warning?
        I own and run both, a Trident w/512k on the BBS and an Oak
        on another machine, both work flawlessly under Dos, Windows
        and OS/2.



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From: JASON WAGNER                           Number: 10260
  To: *********** FREE HUGE CD-ROM DI          Date: 12/25/93 11:42p
Subj: For The largest selection               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting *********** Free huge cd-rom di to All <=-

 *Fhc> If you'd like a printed copy, send your mailing information to us.
 *Fhc> We offer CDLIST file attach's upon request.
 *Fhc> CATALOG FREQ: cdlist.zip    (over 1,100 cd-rom disc titles available)
 *Fhc> Internet: [e-mail]
 *Fhc> FidoNet: 1:157/479 - RBBSNet 8:965/13 - KesherNet 18:711/176
 *Fhc> Joe Rinehart / config.sys, Inc.    Voice: [phone]  -  24 hours
 *Fhc> P.O. Box 27                        Data/Fax: (216) 296-GIGO(4446) ZyX
 *Fhc> Kent, Ohio 44240-0001              >>>INTERNATIONAL ORDERS WELCOME<<<

   Jason Wagner
   3726 Elder Court
   Sierra Vista, Az
   85635

   Thanks!


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From: REMY DE.RUYSSCHER                      Number: 10261
  To: JEFF MASTERMAN                           Date: 12/24/93 10:50a
Subj: Re: Encyclopedia                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hallo Jeff,

Answering a msg of <19 Dec 93>, from Jeff Masterman to All:

I've got the software toolworks multimedia encyclopedia (it came
with my SB16 ASP). This encyclopedia is just fine (250 Mb), the
great features are o.a. : a timeline with events, cross-reference
with text, sound & animations.

But I would prefer ENCARTA'94 because it has MUCH MUCH more articles
and animations (and it's from MS so it has to be good!)....


Later, Remy

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From: REMY DE.RUYSSCHER                      Number: 10262
  To: *.* (YES, YOU!)                          Date: 12/24/93 10:58a
Subj: DUNE CDROM VERSION!                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

HEEEEEEEEELP!

I'm desperately searching for the AUDIO CD that came along with
old DUNE CDROM version!

Just name your price!


Later, Remy

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From: BOB BREED                              Number: 10263
  To: SAM FIGUEROA                             Date: 12/26/93 11:08a
Subj: MOVIE CD REQUEST                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 SF> Hey,
 SF> Try Microsoft Cinemania, thats supposed to be pretty TOUGH!
 SF> Sam Figueroa
 SF> Sam's Software


    Yeah, but that's based on Leonard Maltin's movie guide. The
printed version fails both movie tests -- and really is
incomplete on Sakall. (Gotta have something little more complete
-- although MS Cinemania is a pretty good product.


... It's Ensign Pillsbury, Jim.....he's bread.
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From: BOB BREED                              Number: 10264
  To: ARNIE GROSS                              Date: 12/26/93 11:08a
Subj: REVISITED                               Refer: NONE
Read: NO                                    Private: No

 BB> When you say v6. driver -- who's driver? Microsoft or Logitech?

 AG> Logitech.  But I made a typo in my original post.  I had said it was
 AG> version  6.2 - but it was 6.12 instead.

 BB> "Tell me, Deanna, do you ever..ah..experiment"
 BB> purred the naked Beverly

 AG> Where do you get your taglines?

    Like everybody else -- I STEAL em. Bluewave has a 'hot key'
to yank the tagline out of a message and add it to it's own
database of taglines. Makes it easy to kipe em!!



... Polaroids: what polar bears get from sitting on icecaps
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From: ASHWIN BIHARI                          Number: 10265
  To: JOE SITKO                                Date: 12/23/93  7:44p
Subj: 7Th Guest & SVGA question               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Well Joe, you cannot make a VGA monitor a SVGA monitor by just getting a
SVGA monitor, you will need to buy a SVGA monitor too, but as I know you
can also use MCGA, which is equal to a VGA, so you can you use your VGA
Monitor too, and by the way, there has been a lot of problems, with
Diamond video boards, becuase that game does not support the S3 chip,
but there is a fix which I have not found, and I don't need to cuz I
have a trident, well TTYL.
    Ashwin


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From: ASHWIN BIHARI                          Number: 10266
  To: PAUL DELLAVALLE                          Date: 12/23/93  7:47p
Subj: seventh Guest                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I have bought that game and personlly love it, it is very mind
boggalling and is not a game that you can finish in one month or so,
becuase the puzzles are so hard that its has taken me more than a week
to solve some of them, but that game also has ways to go past the puzzle
like using a CLUE BOOK three times solves the puzzle you are on and lets
you continue, so if you are stuck you can do that and then you can go
back and try to solve it, it is a very good game and I would really
recommend it, TTYL.
    Ashwin


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From: ASHWIN BIHARI                          Number: 10267
  To: BOB JENKINS                              Date: 12/23/93  7:51p
Subj: 7th guest problem                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Well Bob, my configuration is somewhat similar to yours, except that I
have a 386 dx/40 and 8 meg ram, and Gravis UltraSound, well I also have
a Mitsumi single speed, and I agree its slow, well the problem of memory
might be some kind of conflict with the memory manager you are running,
if you are running one, I use the DOS EMM386.EXE which I have been using
for a long time and with which I have had no problems with, well see if
that helps and maybe put up your CONFIG.SYS, AUTOEXEC.BAT and
GROOVIE.INI, and I can take a look, TTYL.
    Ashwin
P.S. GROOVIE.INI is found in the T7G directory.


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From: VANCE LINGER                           Number: 10268
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/09/93 12:04a
Subj: MD VERSUS CD-R                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 HI! ALL!
 Can Magneto Optical Disk read CD-ROM's disk??
Just read in the same quantity?

... Merry X'mas & Happy New Year.....
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From: JOSEPH LIMANDRI                        Number: 10269
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/16/93 12:14a
Subj: Toshiba 3401 - sound?                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

    Can anyone give me specs or opinions on the how the Toshiba 3401
sounds.  I heard the Texel and sony cd-roms drives have good sound.  But
the toshiba is 200ms for about the same price.  So if any one can give
me any info it will be apricated.
    Thanks,
    Joe


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From: JEFF BAKALCHUCK                        Number: 10270
  To: JOSEPH LIMANDRI                          Date: 12/24/93 12:16a
Subj: Toshiba 3401 - sound?                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JL>    Can anyone give me specs or opinions on the how the Toshiba 3401
JL>sounds.  I heard the Texel and sony cd-roms drives have good sound.  But
JL>the toshiba is 200ms for about the same price.  So if any one can give
JL>me any info it will be apricated.

I have used both the Texel 3024 and the Toshiba 3401, the sound
quality is the same( excellent) on both of these models.

Jeff

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From: THOMAS GUILFOYLE                       Number: 10271
  To: DOUG CARPENTER                           Date: 12/25/93  6:25p
Subj: Re: CD ROM DISK CATALOG                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi there Doug,

        Thanks for the reply anyway of getting some numbers so I can get a
catalog as I just got my CD-Rom and would like to have a good source of X and
XXX Rated CD's.  Any help would be appreciated.

                                                        >Tom<


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From: AL BRATLIE                             Number: 10272
  To: JAMES PARKER                             Date: 12/26/93 10:46a
Subj: Re: Adult CD's                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 JP> I'm curious.  I've never seen an Adult CD ROM and I was wondering
 JP> what the draw is.  I mean, isn't it cheaper, and the graphics/sound
 JP> better in a "Hustler" or XXX Video?  I guess the ability to download a
 JP> few pics can make it seem a little more worthwhile, but the ads I've
 JP> seen for most adult CD's are quite high, especially the "movies"  Any
 JP> input on this would be appreciated.  Maybe I'm missing something! <g>
        The BBS I use had several 'Adult CD's' on line. I must say that I
 was VERY dissapoonted with them. There were a lot of GIF's on them, but
 most of them (80%+) were low resolution/quality and had BBS ads in them.
 As for the animations, I think there are only about 20 animations out there
 in BBS land. A lot of the time you see the same file, with only the filename
 changed. Or you get a shorter/longer clip of the same animation file.
        Comp-u-porn has a long way to go!
        Later,
                Al

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From: AL BRATLIE                             Number: 10273
  To: BERT VAAGS                               Date: 12/26/93 10:48a
Subj: Re: cd-i                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 BV> !! about this. The possibity to read CD-I was one of my reasons why I
 BV> bought this Toshiba. Is it allowed to advertise with this option, wich
 BV> doesn't work at all ? I don't think so. If you do agree with me, than
 BV> we should start an campagne to make Toshiba aware of their foults.
        I am sure no expert on this, but perhaps the problem is that you
 need a 'special' card, or driver, or other software to make it work with
 CD-I disks. I am sure that any CD player can read any CD, but what you do
 with the data makes all the difference.
        Just some thoughts....Al
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From: RJ KULMAN                              Number: 10274
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/26/93 10:58a
Subj: alst minute gift                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


    Creative Labs CD ROM  CR521-C                         $225
    Aztech  / Sound Galaxy NX II
      Software & Manuals
    Small Speakers
    Used

    Fully MPC Compat    Headphone & Volume Control on Front Panel
     * AdLib, SB, Disney, Covox Support*     MIDI Connection


    RJ Kulman   718 968 9167


anyone need a last minute xmas gift ??
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From: IAN CLEMENTS                           Number: 10275
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/20/93 10:24p
Subj: Hardware Trades??                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I have one of the creative labs SoundBlaster Pro/Panasonic drive
(CDR-526 I believe) kits.  I only got it about 8 months ago.

I was wondering if anyone new if Creative Labs may be offering a tradein
for there newer double speed drive.

We all know that software is upgradeable but I was just wondering if
creative labs may be offering such a hardware trade.

Or is it just wishful thinking.

If anyone has a number or address I could call I really appreciate it.
___
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From: ISMAIL ARSLANGIRAY                     Number: 10276
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/25/93  9:28a
Subj: External CD-ROM $269                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hitachi CDR-101 $269
Single speed, 40 pin interface, 340ms access time, 175KB transfer rate.
Excellent for single drive BBS systems!..
All major credit cards accepted

GroupWare
4826 Tacoma Mall Blvd
Tacoma, WA 98409
1-206-472-1400 or 1-800-373-0628
Fax [phone] or 1-800-277-5179

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From: HENRY PAUL                             Number: 10277
  To: RICK NAY                                 Date: 12/24/93  9:08a
Subj: Re: DSP 16,Soundwave 32                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

RN>Well it is "Real-Time" compression so the loss in sound quality is minimal..
RN>you need to get more info give Xing Technologies a call..They also make and
RN>Mpeg Encoder which is hardware..its for video though..

You're kidding here right? :) That would be great to be able to compress
like that! Might actually consider recording at 16bit 44.1khz!
Later..


                        Henry

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From: MIKE BILOW                             Number: 10278
  To: MIKE HOFFERT                             Date: 12/25/93  3:45a
Subj: Christmas stuff!?                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

MB> MH> I need to hang a CD on a Novell Network. Can't
MB> MH> find reliabe software to do it without using a PC for a CD
MB> MH> server. Any suggestions?

MB>Look at SCSI Express or CorelSCSI.  Both will do what you want.
MB>Netware 3.12 and 4.01 have built-in support for
MB>mounting CD-ROMs on the server in CDROM.NLM.

 MH> Thankyou for your help.  I was told about SCSI Express.  I would like
 MH> something that didn't require a server for the CD-Rom.  That is my
 MH> understanding with a multi changer.

A multi-changer is not much different from an ordinary CD-ROM drive.  The
Pioneer drives, for example, operate at one SCSI Physical Unit Number (PUN) and
access each disk as a SCSI Logical Unit Number (LUN).  The terminology may vary
with the manufacturer; for example, Adaptec will refer to PUN as "SCSI ID" and
to LUN as "embedded target."

I don't know off the top of my head whether the Netware CDROM.NLM will support
mulitple LUNs per PUN, but I don't see why not.  CorelSCSI will.

I am not sure I understand about not wanting a server for the CD-ROM.  Do you
mean that you don't want to tie up a dedicated machine as a CD-ROM server?  Or
do you mean that you want to have a network without a dedicated file server, as
in Netware Lite, and still make CD-ROMs available?  Since Netware Lite does all
of its filesystem access through DOS, none of this discussion really applies to
a Netware Lite network (except that CorelSCSI for DOS would still work, but
CorelSCSI for Netware would not work).

-- Mike

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From: JOHN WARNER                            Number: 10279
  To: TERRY HAMEL                              Date: 12/24/93 10:14p
Subj: Wanted: corel draw v3                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I have Corel 3.00b CD/3.5 with all docs.  $80.

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From: MIKE BILOW                             Number: 10280
  To: PETER STASSEN                            Date: 12/26/93  3:35a
Subj: Pioneer DRM 604X info                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  PS> Do you use a SCSI-interface ?

 > It is required.  The SCSI adapter must support ASPI
 > and must support multiple LUNs per PUN; the different
 > disks are addressed as different LUNs while the
 > complete device is addressed as one PUN.  Adaptec will
 > work.

 PS> Could you explain what ASPI, PUN and LUN means ?

ASPI: Advanced SCSI Programming Interface

The ASPI driver provides a software interface between a lower level driver
specific to the controller and a higher layer driver specific to the type of
peripheral.  This allows higher layer software, such as a tape backup driver,
to be written to the ASPI standard so that it is isolated from and independent
of the type of controller being used.  Without ASPI, software that needs to
communicate with a SCSI peripheral would have to be customized for each type of
controller which could be used with that peripheral.

PUN: Physical Unit Number
LUN: Logical Unit Number

Each SCSI device is a Physical Unit on the SCSI bus, and has a PUN from 0
through 7, inclusive.  In the case of Adaptec controllers, PUN 7 is reserved
for the controller, and the others are available for devices.  For example, a
hard drive might be set at PUN 0, a CD-ROM drive might be set at PUN 4, and a
tape drive might be set at PUN 6.  Most SCSI devices have jumpers or some other
way of setting the PUN, and each device must have a unique PUN.  The assignment
of PUNs is essentially arbitrary, although particular hardware might impose
special restrictions; for example, an Adaptec controller requires a bootable
device to use PUN 0 or 1.

Each Physical Device has one or more Logical Devices embedded within it.  Most
SCSI devices only have one, and it is assigned LUN 0.  In the case of the
Pioneer CD-ROM changers, the different disks are accessed as different LUNs
embedded within the changer, which itself has a single PUN.

 PS> Can you also tell me what the differences are between
 PS> the adaptec aha-154x and aha 1640 ?

The most important difference is that any Adaptec controller with a number in
the x5xx series is for the ISA bus, while the x6xx series is for the
Microchannel (MCA) bus.  (As long as I am on the subject: x7xx is EISA, and
x8xx is VESA Local Bus.)

Both the 1542 and 1640 are bus mastering, as indicated by the xx4x component of
the number.  (A xx2x controller is non-bus mastering.)  Finally, a xxx2
controller has floppy disk support included, while a xxx0 controller does not.

Any more questions?  :-)

-- Mike


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From: RICHARD ROSENFELD                      Number: 10281
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/26/93  8:40a
Subj: Audio-CD and list of tra                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I have been testing my new Chinon 535 CD-ROM drive and all seems to be
working fine except when I play audio CD's.  The List of tracks is
always incorrect after the 8th track approximately.  Somehow a few blank
tracks are inserted, then a track with a long lenth, and then the last 2
tracks of the CD listed correctly.(but with the incorrect track numbers)
 If I play the Audio-CD from beginning to end, it plays correctly,
skipping the incorrect tracks!

Anyone know whats up?  What is the fix?

[e-mail]

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From: DAVE ELLISON                           Number: 10282
  To: BENJAMIN ORTIZ                           Date: 12/20/93  3:32a
Subj: Re: Virus                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi,
 *** Quoting You ***

 BO> BRAVO!  FINALLY!  SOMEONE INTELLIGENT BESIDES ME IN THIS CONFERENCE!!!

With some of the stuff I've seen you say recently, I wouldn't be saying that!
You know absolutely SQUAT about viruses and you're trying to pass yourself off
as some kind of virus expert!  Wow, you have a collection of what, two piddley
viruses?  Oops, three if there's one in FUTURE1.EXE or whatever it's called.
Dude, call up a VX, get yourself some viruses, play with 'em a while, trash
your hard drive, THEN you can come back and tell us what you know.  Until then,
keep your trap shut and quit making a fool of yourself!

                       C-YA!
                       Dave

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From: DAVE ELLISON                           Number: 10283
  To: DAVE REED                                Date: 12/22/93  4:13a
Subj: Night Owl 10 Virus!!!                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Dave,

 *** Quoting Dave Reed to Benjamin Ortiz ***

 DR> What's your involvement with Richard, anyway?  Are you lovers?

Damn, thanks for clearing that up!  I've been wondering for days why he kept
making an a** out of himself!


   C-YA!
   Dave Ellison

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From: JOE RINEHART                           Number: 10284
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/26/93 12:49a
Subj: !free Cd catalog!                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

*********** FREE HUGE CD-ROM DISC & accessories CATALOG!*************
For the largest selection & lowest prices, get our NEW catalog...
If you'd like a printed copy, send your mailing information to us.
We offer CDLIST file attach's upon request.
CATALOG FREQ: cdlist.zip    (over 1,100 cd-rom disc titles available)
        Internet: [e-mail]
    FidoNet: 1:157/479 - RBBSNet 8:965/13 - KesherNet 18:711/176
Joe Rinehart / config.sys, Inc.    Voice: [phone]  -  24 hours
P.O. Box 27                        Data/Fax: [phone]
Kent, Ohio 44240-0001              >>>INTERNATIONAL ORDERS WELCOME<<<

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From: JOE RINEHART                           Number: 10285
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/26/93 12:49a
Subj: Cd-rom Drives+                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

********* Refurbished  Hitachi Model 3600 CD-ROM DRIVES $130 *********
********* Refurbished  Hitachi Model 3500 CD-ROM DRIVES $120 *********
********* Refurbished SCSI NEC Model 36   CD-ROM DRIVES $130 *********
These units are also available needing refurbished at 50% off!
    Great for BBS usage, buy 8 drives and get an instant 5.44 Gigs!
           Internet: [e-mail]
      FidoNet 1:157/479 - RBBSNet 8:965/13 - KesherNet 18:711/176
Joe Rinehart / config.sys, Inc.     Voice: [phone]  -  24 hours
P.O. Box 27                         Data/Fax: [phone]
Kent, Ohio 44240-0001               >>>INTERNATIONAL ORDERS WELCOME<<<

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From: KEN DUKE                               Number: 10286
  To: BRIAN KELLER                             Date: 12/26/93 12:36a
Subj: Re: MORTAL KOMBAT PC                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BK> I got a demo type version from a friend but its not as good as the
BK> ones in the stores or the ones that will be coming out by the time
BK> you read this. I have seen ads for a new commanche add on
BK> disk and it looks cool saw it in electronic game review and cd rom
BK> entertainment. talk to you later bye.

I've got the real thing.. and the sound, color, graphics is just great..
The chars. are exactly correct with the other game companies..

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From: KEN DUKE                               Number: 10287
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/26/93 12:39a
Subj: LU005 Mitsumi CD                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

What is the best Sound card to buy with a CD-ROM interface built on the card
for this type CD-ROM drive?

I've been looking for one priced right, but don't know which one to buy.

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From: CELESTINO CARVALHO                     Number: 10288
  To: TIM HELTON                               Date: 12/24/93  4:26p
Subj: Nature Graphics I                       Refer: NONE
Read: 12/28/93  6:52a                       Private: No

 >                    Nature Graphics I CD ROM
 >                    ------------------------
 > 100% ORIGINAL...550+ megs of original graphics relating to
 > nature.
 > BUBBA PROOF.....GO.BAT with no installation and no
 > configuration.
 > BBS READY.......Informative & accurate FILES.BBS description
 > files.
 > ROYALTY FREE....May be used as part of a multimedia application.
 > PACKAGING.......Beautiful, full color, retail boxes, bar codes.

 >          Data Express, Inc.       Voice: 404-621-9210
 >          6799 Windfaire Dr.       FAX  : [phone]
 >          Norcross, GA 30093       FIDO :    1:133/515

I must to know the price, and if you accept Visa Card.
Thanks

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From: TAD KINDELSPIRE                        Number: 10289
  To: KYLE MACHULIS                            Date: 12/26/93  2:38a
Subj: Re: DRACULA UNLEASHED                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->           Tad Kindelspire wrote 
->  ╒═══════════════════════════════╕
-> ▒░▒Matt I will Talk to you after Christmas.
->  ╘═══════════════════════════════╛
->
->  Just repling to your subject line.... I just ordered that game. It's
->  back order right now. Must be pretty popular. You played it yet?
-> ---
->  ■ TLX v3.30 ■   Windows: Big, expensive, pretty virus.
->
-> --- D'Bridge/GEcho/RA
->  * Origin: iNsaNiTY..  [HST/DS] (1:3815/101)
->
->
->
->
->
->
->
->Kyle Man is it a great game but very hard to beat. You get four days
to find and kill dracula. I have been on day four about three weeks. Let
me know when you get the game if you need any help. I have been playing
Dark Side Of Xeen from Might and Magic. When you put clouds of xeen with
darside it makes 1 big game. I would like to beat this draculs game so I
will get back on it later.  Thanks for the message.  SeeYa..
                               -Tad Kindelspire


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From: HUGH CRAIG                             Number: 10290
  To: MARK SKIKUS                              Date: 12/25/93  8:33p
Subj: Re: Rebel Assault                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message dated 12-16-93, Mark Skikus said to Hugh Craig:

MS>Well on my 486 dx-33 with 4megs I use a Boot disk with a memory manager
MS>and i have reduced my lockups i just played it for two hours with no problem

I finally got it working fine here also. However when I quit Rebel
the screen goes blank. To get back to the WPS I have to hit
Cntl ESC. At the Task List Rebel Assault is shown as active. Any
attempts to kill the process fail. Of course when I do
a normal OS/2 shutdown that fails as well as OS/2 can't kill the process.

Cntl Alt Del still works!

Have you seen similar symtoms on your end?

(I'm not using a DOS boot image, just using the built in VDM).



.. "640K ought to be enough for anybody." - Bill Gates, 1981
-- MR/2 #114


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From: HUGH CRAIG                             Number: 10291
  To: KYLE MACHULIS                            Date: 12/25/93  9:20p
Subj: Re: 7Th Guest                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message dated 12-21-93, Kyle Machulis said to Hugh Craig:

KM>          Hugh Craig wrote
 +-------------------------------+
XXXIt's a great game if your into logic puzzles, anagrams, maze puzzles
XXXand such.

KM>Have you played or seen 7TH GUEST 2: 11TH HOUR yet? I heard it was suppost
KM>to be out soon.....

KM> How would it run on something like this?

KM> GATEWAY 2000 4DX2/66
KM> 8meg RAM
KM> ATI Ultra pro w ?meq
KM> SB16 ASP IRQ 5 BASE x220
KM> Printer LPT1
KM> Mitsumi FX001D (Not Installed yet, its a Christmas Present....)
KM> DBLSPACE, DOS 6.2


Fine I would think. Smoke em if you got em!

I'm DOOMing it now though! Cool! Huh Huh Huh. COol!

SOltan Gris. >30<40 Butthead.


L8r.



.. Windows NT?  New Technology?  I don't think so...
-- MR/2 #114


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From: HUGH CRAIG                             Number: 10292
  To: VINCE SORENSEN                           Date: 12/26/93 10:28a
Subj: Good Shareware Cds                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message dated 12-24-93, Vince Sorensen said to Hugh Craig:

-> Nice interface but the search engine is as slow as molases. Makes it
-> close to useless. I've got magazine CDs that are a 100 times faster
-> when searching for text strings,etc.

VS>   Try running it off of your hard drive or off of CD?
Both: see below.

Off the hardrive. As usual with most of the CD's I've seen.

This one allows you to stick it's main exe on the Hd and
the Database if you so desire, 4 megs or so installed.

I did this and it was almost as slow. Very pathetic.
Useless as a search tool. I mean MINUTES go by looking for
one lousy word in their equivalant of the FILES.BBS, or just
for a filename.

THe tool is only bearable using it to browse each individual
directory. At least one gets the description for each file as one
looks. This is slow as well though. Doing a page down to view
the next screen full of files requires up to a 5 second delay while
the program gathers the info for the next view.

Wasting 4 MEGABYTES of my hardrive space for a useless database
was not worth it. So I just run the program with a minimal install
and suffer with and even slower CD Database.


I don't know what others are doing right with their search engines,
this one is not 'Right'. Ever hear of Computer Select? It
has Thousands of computer magazine articles on each CD. In addition
to other info. One can do boolean searches. Mere seconds go
by during this search. EVEN for text embeded in the articles.

Blistering fast. So I'm probably spoiled.

Sharware Explorer is my first Shareware collection CD. I have
no experience with others of it's ilk so my expectiation was
perhaps way to high.





.. If at first you don't succeed, then skydiving isn't for yo
-- MR/2 #114


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From: HUGH CRAIG                             Number: 10293
  To: EDWIN GRAVES                             Date: 12/26/93 10:40a
Subj: Waste of Bandwidth DOA.                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message dated 12-24-93, Edwin Graves said to Hugh Craig:
 HC> Trailer text for Mr. Bill
 HC>  Taken from COMPUTER RETAIL WEEK December 6 1993:
 HC>    Ingram Micro Best Seller's List
 HC>    Operating Systems and Languages

EG> good information to know, but I'm curious as to WHY it is at the bottom
EG>of about 90 percent of all your posts here in the echo for the past
EG>several days ??  Seems like it's taking up un-necessary band-width in
EG>the echo - but perhaps I should let the moderator rule on that, huh?

If you have some personal bone you want to pick with me I suggest
you take it to netmail. You just wasted bandwidth by posting here.
That is what you are moaning about right?
End Of Thread.



.. If you want it done right, forget Microsoft.
-- MR/2 #114


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From: WILL HOWARD                            Number: 10294
  To: DOUG CARPENTER                           Date: 12/24/93  8:33a
Subj: CD ROM DISK CATALOG                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Please add my name to your mailing list for a catalog.

        Will Howard
        12507 La Bodega
        San Antonio, TX 78233

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From: DAVID AHIA                             Number: 10295
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/26/93  1:57p
Subj: CD-Rom Locate                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

* Original Area: MUFFIN
* Original To  : All (1:103/151)

        I have a Mitsumi CD-Rom drive attached to my BBS.  I was originally
using MTMCDS.SYS for software polling.  Freq's were failing occasionally, I
think due to access time for the drive.  I changed over to MTMCDE.SYS with and
without DMA, but when I did, Maximus stopped looking at the CD file areas
during a global L)ocate command.  I switched back to MTMCDS.SYS, since L)ocate
had worked under the software polling method, but it too now refuses to provide
access.  Doing a F)ile Title search using key words in a CD file area works
fine, as well as listing and downloading from within the file area. I haven't
tried it, but assume that Tagging files from outside the CD-Rom file areas will
also fail.
        I have checked my FileArea.ctl which seems file, and have used FB which
reports hundreds of files in each CD directory. The Max.ctl statement for the
highest accessable file area is commented out. Does anyone have any suggestions
on where I can check to see why all of a sudden Maximus will not scan the
CD-Rom file areas?

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From: CHAD REID                              Number: 10296
  To: MAX GREEN                                Date: 12/24/93  5:05p
Subj: cheap imitations                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

MG> JS> I bought a Sound Galaxy NX Pro, here on the nets, about 5 months ago,
MG> JS> and thus far I have had no compatibility problems with it.  It IS
MG> JS> EXACTLY
MG> JS> like the Soundblaster Pro.  This card is available for about $100 and
MG> JS> comes with software and speakers.
MG> JS> Just my experience, nothing else................
MG> JS>           Written by Joe Sitko on Tuesday, December 21 at 10:22:40
MG> JS> ... Could you please be a bit less specific?
MG> JS>  * Origin: The Glass Menagerie II [phone] V32.Bis  (1:2607/401)

MG>   NOT TRUE, in your case or by any other clone maker.  The cards may
MG>   emulate (Webster: "strive to equal, by imitating - imitate, esp. in
MG>   excellence") the genuine Soundblaster.  If these other cards were so
MG>   good wouldn't they have their own standards established?  Granted
MG>   there may be a feature or two which is better that the Soundblaster
MG>   however, for overall compatibility, reliability, support and easy of
MG>   use NO ONE can beat the Soundblaster.  FYI, I am just an end user but
MG>   have had 4 different brands installed in my system and I have came
MG>   back to the Soundblaster each time.  So to all of you who think that
MG>   you are going to save a buck or two - good luck.

Have you ever had any experience with a Pro Audio card?



Chad Reid


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From: JASON DEVRIES                          Number: 10297
  To: KYLE MACHULIS                            Date: 12/25/93  8:29a
Subj: RE: KING QUEST 6                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 KM> It's been about 4 or 5 months since a played the game. Please
 KM> list you inventory and then I can help you. BTW, I did finish
 KM> it... ---
Someone else helped me out.  You use the invisible ink from the pawn
shop trash to make yourself invisible to the seeing gnome.  Thanks
anyway.  I'll keep you in mind if I have any more stumpters.

... Ban the bomb.  Save the world for conventional warfare.
--- via Silver Xpress V3.01


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From: JASON DEVRIES                          Number: 10298
  To: KEVIN O'BUCKLEY                          Date: 12/25/93  8:29a
Subj: RE: KQ6                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 KO> To trick the last gnome, you have to make it so he can't see
 KO> you. hmmmmm....
 KO> maybe there is something at the pawn show that will help
 KO> you...  Maybe the
 KO> owner was stupid enough to throw it away....

 KO> All you need from the cave is the peppermint.
Got it.  Thanks!

... DOS=HIGH? I knew it was on something...
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From: JASON DEVRIES                          Number: 10299
  To: DAVE DUCHARME                            Date: 12/25/93  8:29a
Subj: RE: ST:TNG CD?                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

  >>Was it Rites of Judgement?

 DD> Nope, Judgement Rites is another TOS game from Interplay and it
 DD> is on the
 DD> shelves now.  So far the only tentative title for the ST:TNG
 DD> game is Star Trek
 DD> the Next Generation.

What was that last sentence about?  They don't have any plans for making
a TNG game, do they?

... Double your drive space! Delete Windows!
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From: ZACH NORWOOD                           Number: 10300
  To: NICK MOSS                                Date: 12/25/93  8:18p
Subj: Well?                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

What the hell is your problem? I think you are smart but realy your not!
That is a cool game that you got. Sorry if you think that I dont like it but I
realy dont think that it is anything great or anything. O well. Bye.


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From: CARL REEK                              Number: 10301
  To: THOMAS WARDMAN                           Date: 12/26/93 12:23p
Subj: Mitsumi/Windows NT                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

My company selected 12 people (including me) for an advanced training
program in Windows NT, Lan Man, and other Microsoft University courses.
Currently preparing for the certification test.  I like Windows NT and
its networking features.  A little overkill for a standalone system.
Looking forward to the release of Win 4.0.  Don't have an axe to grind
for either Windows or OS/2.  Just a consultant who works with whichever
tool is available.  'Have computer...will travel.'  As with the upgrade
of any software, some types of hardware are left in the dust.  Would
like to use the current CDRom drive before newer software forces an
upgrade.  Thanks for the reply.


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From: JASON ROSOLOWSKI                       Number: 10302
  To: BORIS OSADCIW                            Date: 12/22/93  9:58p
Subj: SPECIAL                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BO>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~[  S P E C I A L  B U N D L E S  ]~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  >1. Software Vault Gold     2. Night Owl 10.1        3. Shareware Online 2
  >   Software Vault Games       Night Owl Games          Gameware
  >   Software Vault Windows     Night Owl Graphics       Soundware
  >   Price - $49.00             Price - $65.00           Price - $49.00

Are all these CD's BBS ready (or whatever they call it)?  I need
FILES.BBS and descriptions of the directories.

Jason
 ■ QMPro 1.51 ■ The yellow monkey flies at night.


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From: JASON ROSOLOWSKI                       Number: 10303
  To: JOE RINEHART                             Date: 12/22/93 10:04p
Subj: NEC Refurbished CD-Drives               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JR>>                    NEC model 36 SCSI Refurbished drives
  >        config.sys, Inc. just purchased a large quantity of NEC model 36
  >drives.  These are SCSI drives & can be daisy chained up to 8 per controller
  >Drive stats include: 450 mls. average access, 635 - 680 megs.  $125 each.
  >30 day warrantee.  The controller cost $74.00.  The drives will be available
  >for shipment starting December 15th.  To order contact:

Do you still have any of these?  And do you think they will work with an
ADAPTEC SCSI controller?

Jason
 ■ QMPro 1.51 ■ The yellow monkey flies at night.


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From: TOM GUELKER                            Number: 10304
  To: RICKY BOOTH                              Date: 12/26/93  8:12a
Subj: CD-ROM                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

RB> >  I'd Recommend the Mitsumi.....

RB>Mitsumi's are cheap. I'd reccomend a philips over a mitsumi any day.
  >Panasonic, NEC, or Pioneer are the best.

That's your opinion, Ricky. I run a BBS and have had two Mitsumi readers
online for over 2 years. They are workhorses. Never a bit of trouble
with them.

Regards,
Tom Guelker

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From: GARY STIMPSON                          Number: 10305
  To: MARSHALL FREEDLAND                       Date: 12/24/93  1:53a
Subj: Re: Amiga And Nec-38 Multi              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Marshall,

 MF> I know that there are probably not many fellow Amigazoids on the echo,
 MF> but
 MF> just in case... I just won an NEC-38 MultiSpin and have it connected to
 MF> my
 MF> Amiga 3000, daisy-chained from my external Syquest (ain't SCSI just
 MF> grand?!).  There are a few problems that I've run into and I am wonder

I suggest you post this to the Amiga_CDROM echo instead, you will have
better chances of getting a reply.  If you can't access this echo, I can
forward your message there for you.  Let me know.

Gary

... Member of MAA (Modem Addicts Anonymous).

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From: BAYANI CUSTODIO                        Number: 10306
  To: DAVID NAVARRO                            Date: 12/25/93  8:26p
Subj: CD cache                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

DN>       Another question is for the video files included in some cd soft,
DN>I have a 386-Dx 40 Mhz with 5Mb, there's something for make it faster?

Well, if you add 3 more megs and try OS/2's MMPM which comes with OS/2
Version 2.1 you may like it. I've got it running on my system and it
seems okay.

See yah later
Bayani
___
 X DeLuxe2 1.25 #703sa X VAGABOND'S DREAM in a VOID()

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From: BAYANI CUSTODIO                        Number: 10307
  To: TONY CORKERY                             Date: 12/25/93  8:28p
Subj: CorelDRAW V3 CD                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

TC>Has anybody had similar problems with this CD or a similar spec drive?

Nope... not me. As a matter of fact I find the Mitsumi drive working
great under OS/2 and with PHOTO-CD.

See yah later
Bayani
___
 X DeLuxe2 1.25 #703sa X VAGABOND'S DREAM in a VOID()

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From: ED BAILEY                              Number: 10308
  To: DAVID AHIA                               Date: 12/25/93  9:32a
Subj: Max specific Door                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 On 12-22-93 David Ahia wrote to Ed Bailey...

 DA>         You are right if the CD remains online at all times.  I have
 DA> one
 DA> drive and wanted to make several disks available from it.
 DA> I understood that some doors will wait until the desired CD
 DA> is in the drive then copy the desired files to a temporary
 DA> directory, waiting for the user to download, then delete

     You may want to consider my solution to the additional Shareware
     Disks David - I have taken all the Files.bbs listings and placed
     them in a single file, zipped them up separately and place them
     in my New File Listings Area, anyone can then look through the
     files and Request a file to be placed online and I have a Request
     File Area - It is some work because you have to make an entry into
     the Request files.bbs, but i do not make a descriptive entry. I do
     not do a FB so they must be in the area to download the file(s). I
     also leave the person a message telling them it's online and asking
     for a message when they've finished the download so I can remove the
     files.
     I used to break down the larger files for Users of 2400 baud modems.
     but no more that is just too much work sometimes.

     Hope you've had a nice Christmas and the Best in the New Year.

___
 * OFFLINE 1.56 * Souris,MB - Home of Canada's Longest Swinging Bridge -

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From: BAYANI CUSTODIO                        Number: 10309
  To: AL BRATLIE                               Date: 12/25/93  9:47p
Subj: Advice, please...                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

AB>another rumor, or is the demand bringing the production volume up to a point
AB>where the prices are going to be comming down ?

Yes, along with the great amount of changes dues out like extra speed
etc. Also, Phillips has been doing a great deal of advert for their CDI
format.

AB>       Then of course I have the same questions as other newbees to this
AB>realm. SCSI or not SCSI ? I have been told by several people that SCSI is
the
AB>way to go, but no one has told me why. I already have 2 IDE hard drives on
AB>my system, so I don't know if the normal CD adapter cards will work.

With an SCSI type you can move it around from machine to machine as
long as they have an SCSI adapter while others depend on a proprietary
board requires major work. SCSI drives are more a plug and play also
with better re-sale posibilities. Speed is also a consideration with
some.

AB>       I see double, and tripple speed drives on the market now. Just how
AB>fast are these things going to get ? I would hate to be stuck with something
AB>that 'just meets' the demands of todays software, but will become obsolete
AB>in a year. Are any of these drives upgradable ?

As long as they keep on finding improvements in the Lasers and other
components there will always be changes and speed increases. Most
drives cannot be upgraded easily and it is easier to just buy a new
one.

AB>       For the most part, the CD-Drive will be used for entertainment, and
AB>possibly education, depending on the software avalible. From what I read
this
AB>means it needs to be fast enough for animation, video, and the like.

My nieces started off with the Compton's Enc. then they started using
World Atlas and now I have one of those CD's with the classic books in
it. They also use it for games and to play their audio-CD's while
studying.

See yah later
Bayani
___
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From: LOUIS BERKOWITZ                        Number: 10310
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/25/93 10:32p
Subj: Hard Day's Night                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I recently read in a magazine that they are coming out with the movie A
Hard Day's Night on CD-Rom format, does anyone have this, where did you
get it and how is it?

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From: LOUIS BERKOWITZ                        Number: 10311
  To: JACK WIGGINS                             Date: 12/26/93  1:06a
Subj: BATTLECHESS                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

          Jack Wiggins wrote 
 +-------------------------------+
>>I'm sure that I saw (at one time before I had a CD) Battlechess on a CD-RO
>>disk version.  Unfortunately, I can't find it new or used now.  Does anyon
>>know if this sadistically bloody version of chess was ever released on CD
>>if
>>it's still available?  I'd sure love to find a copy.  <grin!>
 +-------------------------------+

Yup there's Battle Chess for CD-Rom.  Its pretty good and I have a copy
if you are interested.


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From: ALLEN TYNDALL                          Number: 10312
  To: MICHELLEA SORENSEN                       Date: 12/26/93  1:50p
Subj: CD-ROM WHOLESALER'S OF CA               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

MS>->   I recommend your company to anyone here. You (I.M.H.O) have the
MS>-> best prices on the continent, a good selection, and very courteous
MS>-> service. I will be doing business with you in the future.

Michella,
  Hi my name is Allen Tyndall and I am new to this echo and was
  wandering, after reading this message if you had a catalogue of what
  you sell.  I am presently looking for a CDROM drive.  I just pursched
  a 486 DX 33 and am now wanting more.  I am sure you can understand
  with the computer market the way it is.

       Thanks,
         Allen Tyndall

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From: PETER DETTELIS                         Number: 10313
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/26/93 10:42p
Subj: Looking For Information Finder Encyclopedia CD-ROM  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

* Original Area: Cdrom_sale
* Original To  : All (1:128/13)

I'm looking for the Information Finder CD-ROM, which contains the World Book
Encyclopedia.  Does anyone have it for sale or trade.


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From: KYLE MACHULIS                          Number: 10314
  To: DANIEL PRINCE                            Date: 12/24/93 10:55p
Subj: Re: 7th Guest with Sony SS proprietary CDROM DRIVE  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

          Daniel Prince wrote 
 ╒═══════════════════════════════╕
▄▓▐My brother can't get 7th Guest to run on his system which has a
▄▓▐Sony single speed proprietary CDROM drive.  I think I have seen a
▄▓▐message from someone else that couldn't get it to run on a
▄▓▐proprietary Sony SS CDROM.
 ╘═══════════════════════════════╛

 Ezxsqeeze me, and I might be wrong, but I think that it requires an MPC2
 Standered level CD-ROM drive to run.... Not sure though...


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From: KYLE MACHULIS                          Number: 10315
  To: JOHN ULLMER                              Date: 12/24/93 10:57p
Subj: Re: 7th Guest with Sony                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

          John Ullmer wrote 
 ╒═══════════════════════════════╕
█▓▄And if you think getting "7th G" to run is a lotta fun, then try
█▓▄"Return to Zork which wants 600K of free CONVENTIONAL RAM.
 ╘═══════════════════════════════╛

 Anyone running QEMM will have at least 640k free if not more...  So
 I don't think the RAM would be a problem...
... "Do you serve crabs here?"  "Yes, madam, we serve anyone."
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From: KYLE MACHULIS                          Number: 10316
  To: JACK WIGGINS                             Date: 12/24/93 10:59p
Subj: Re: BATTLECHESS                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

          Jack Wiggins wrote 
 ╒═══════════════════════════════╕
▓▒▓I'm sure that I saw (at one time before I had a CD) Battlechess on a
▓▒▓CD-ROM disk version.  Unfortunately, I can't find it new or used now.
▓▒▓Does anyone know if this sadistically bloody version of chess was ever
▓▒▓released on CD or if it's still available?  I'd sure love to find a
▓▒▓copy.  <grin!>
 ╘═══════════════════════════════╛

 It was the first CD-ROM game I ever saw sold for the PC.... And yes,
 It's STILL on the market. Saw it yesterday at Wal-Mart....
... How do you sink an Irish battle ship?.....Put it in water.............
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From: KYLE MACHULIS                          Number: 10317
  To: ROBIN COPELAND                           Date: 12/24/93 11:03p
Subj: Re: BBS                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

          Robin Copeland wrote 
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█▓▄Oh yeah, I have some other questions for you.  What is a virus?  How
█▓▄do I tell if I've got one before I run a program that might be
█▓▄infected?  How do I get rid of it if I find one?  What kind of damage
█▓▄can they do if not detected?  I've seen lots of files on these BBS
█▓▄about viruses, finding them, and such, but I don't know which one or
█▓▄ones I need or what to do with them after I get them.  Can you shed
█▓▄any light on this subject?
█▓▄
 ╘═══════════════════════════════╛

Hahaha..... You have asked a question that will take a while to explain.
If the people who you DL your mail from get the VIRUS INFORMATION EcHO
(Or some resionable Faxsimily), Get on there and ask... I'll help when
I can....but I want ot stay on subject here... speaking of virii, which
one was on the Night Owl 10? I broke in on the middle of the disscussion?
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From: KYLE MACHULIS                          Number: 10318
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/24/93 11:10p
Subj: Trouble...                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Havin problems.... I'm tring to run the SOFTWARE TOOLWORKS MULTIMEDIA
ENCYCLOPEDIA 1992... And when I try to run video.. It says INSUFFECENT
MEMORY.... Yet i have QEMM running, and have 645k free... How do I get
this to run right?
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From: KYLE MACHULIS                          Number: 10319
  To: ERIC JAN                                 Date: 12/24/93 11:12p
Subj: Re: Game Card                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

          Eric Jan wrote 
 ╒═══════════════════════════════╕
▐▓▐OK.. I know this is really off topics.. but I don't know which
▐▓▐conference can I talk about this...  recently, I read an article about
▐▓▐building an ultimate game machine.. well.. at the end of it.. the
▐▓▐writer recommended to have a seperate game I/O card for joystick... he
▐▓▐claimed that the game port built in the sound card is not fast enough
▐▓▐for 486s.. I have a 486 and a ProAudio Spectrum 16, which has a game
▐▓▐port built in it.. do I really need a seperate game card for
▐▓▐joystick... if yes.. do I have to worry about configure its IRQ or
▐▓▐stuffs like that...
 ╘═══════════════════════════════╛

 Don't shoot me moderator....

 It should work fine... I have my Gravis Gamepad set on the back
 of my SB16ASP and it works fine...... (And by the way, I do have the
 ultimate gaming maching, better than the one descibed in there..)

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From: RICK NAY                               Number: 10320
  To: JUAN LUIS PASTOR                         Date: 12/26/93  7:00p
Subj: CD-I                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I can read CD-I but cannot decode its data..So if its a games or program
you cannot run the  proggy..but it can read the disks..CD-I is not an
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From: MICHAEL HILL                           Number: 10321
  To: JOE RINEHART                             Date: 12/26/93 12:05a
Subj: !free Cd catalog!                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > *********** FREE HUGE CD-ROM DISC & accessories
 > CATALOG!*************
 > For the largest selection & lowest prices, get our NEW
 > catalog...
 > If you'd like a printed copy, send your mailing
 > information to us.
 > We offer CDLIST file attach's upon request.
 > CATALOG FREQ: cdlist.zip    (over 1,100 cd-rom disc
 > titles available)
 >         Internet: joe.rin
 > [e-mail]
 >     FidoNet: 1:157/479 - RBBSNet 8:965/13 - KesherNet
 > 18:711/176
 > Joe Rinehart / config.sys, Inc.    Voice: (216)
 > 296-9831  -  24 hours
 > P.O. Box 27                        Data/Fax: (216)
 > 296-GIGO(4446) ZyX
 > Kent, Ohio 44240-0001              >>>INTERNATIONAL
 > ORDERS WELCOME<<<

Could you please send me a copy at 1:264/197
Thanks a lot.

MICHAEL HILL

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From: TIM HELTON                             Number: 10322
  To: CELESTINO CARVALHO                       Date: 12/28/93  7:02a
Subj: Nature Graphics I                       Refer: 12773
Read: NO                                    Private: No

->  >                    Nature Graphics I CD ROM
->  >                    ------------------------
->  > 100% ORIGINAL...550+ megs of original graphics relating to
->  > nature.
->  > BUBBA PROOF.....GO.BAT with no installation and no
->  > configuration.
->  > BBS READY.......Informative & accurate FILES.BBS description
->  > files.
->  > ROYALTY FREE....May be used as part of a multimedia application.
->  > PACKAGING.......Beautiful, full color, retail boxes, bar codes.
->
->  >          Data Express, Inc.       Voice: 404-621-9210
->  >          6799 Windfaire Dr.       FAX  : [phone]
->  >          Norcross, GA 30093       FIDO :    1:133/515
->
-> I must to know the price, and if you accept Visa Card.
-> Thanks

The suggested retail is $29.95, but you'll probably be able to find it
for less... I saw Mike Shannon advertising it, so contact him if you
want to purchase a single copy.  I only wholesale (and I do accept
MC/VISA).

tim
moderator
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From: WILLIAM SCHNEIDER, JR.                 Number: 10323
  To: BOB DUNN                                 Date: 12/27/93 12:09a
Subj: Wanted Beatles CD                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


BD>WJ> The Windows Quick Time version is now out.

BD>Can you give me any details on it? What is "Quick Time"?

It's a motion video type of format developed by the wizards at Apple.
Quick Time has been avalible for the Mac (I think System 7) for a while,
but Apple is getting into the PC biz (smart move), and have ported Quick
Time to Windows. I have an adult disc titled "American Girls" from New
Machine Publishing that uses this.

-William.


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From: CHAD REID                              Number: 10324
  To: BRICE FLECKENSTEIN                       Date: 12/26/93  9:53a
Subj: VIRUS                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BF>>BO>Blaming the CD distributor ain't gonna get ya nowhere...

BF>>Everyone has a part to do in it. I seriously dought that a shareware author
BF>>going to infect his program. If it does happen, it's by accident.

BF> It DOES happen - and on rare occcasions it does happen DELIBERATELY.

But the AUTHOR himself isn't going to do it, under normal conditions.

BF>>The CD distributor is the one who gathers the files

BF> Nope. The CD AUTHOR gathers the files, not us distributors/dealers.

Okay, CD AUTHOR gathers the files.


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From: CHAD REID                              Number: 10325
  To: BOB COULTER                              Date: 12/26/93  9:53a
Subj: Reading program                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BC>Thanks for your reply.  I'll send your information to my brother in law and
BC>him take it from there.  Sierra is a great company and they produce great
BC>programs.  Take care and Happy Holidays to you. bob c.

Thanks Bob, I'm glad to know that I could be of help to someone. Just
get back in touch if you need anything else.



Chad


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From: BORIS OSADCIW                          Number: 10326
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/27/93  1:53a
Subj: CDROM Systems                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

**************** C D - R O M    D R I V E   P R I C E S ****************
Chinon Int 340ms Kit    - $359.00  Chinon Ext 340ms Kit -  $449.00 -SCSI
NEC 74 280ms Ext Bare   - $379.00  NEC 84 280ms Int Bare - $349.00 -SCSI
Panasonic 562 Int Kit   - $249.00  Phillips Int 400ms Bare $185.00 -SCSI
Pioneer DMR600 Bare     - $729.00  Pioneer DMR604X Bare  - $1069.  -SCSI
Texel Int 245ms w/ctl   - $369.00  Texel Ext 245ms Bare  - $469.00 -SCSI
Texel Int 3021 Bare  Dr - $189.00  Texel Ext Complete Kit- $569.00 -SCSI
Toshiba Int 3401B Bare  - $389.00  Toshiba Ext 3401B Bare- $489.00 -SCSI

 Groilers Encyc DOS v6.  $49.          ALL ChestNuts CD's $10.00ec
ORDER'S ONLY US/CAN 800-243-0517 TECH/QUES 216-225-3263 FAX [phone]


Boris Osadciw

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From: BORIS OSADCIW                          Number: 10327
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/27/93  1:53a
Subj: SPECIAL BUNDLE                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~[  S P E C I A L  B U N D L E S  ]~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
1. Software Vault Gold     2. Night Owl 10.1        3. Shareware Online 2
   Software Vault Games       Night Owl Games          Gameware
   Software Vault Windows     Night Owl Graphics       Soundware
   Price - $49.00             Price - $65.00           Price - $49.00

4. Hobbes OS/2 'NOV'       5. Tech Arsenal          6. Pier 3
   Window Users Arch          TechnoTool               Cream Of The Crop II
   Price - $30.00             Price - $30.00           Price - $45.00
   ORDERS ONLY US/CAN 800-243-0517 TECH/QUE 216-225-3263 FAX [phone]


Boris Osadciw

... Silver Xpress!...... Don't Read Mail Without it!
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From: MICHAEL GARBER                         Number: 10328
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/26/93 10:16p
Subj: Writable?                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

What is the current story on writable CD-ROM's? Just a curiosity.

MIke
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From: JOSEPH ROBERTSON                       Number: 10329
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/26/93 10:54p
Subj: Sb-pro & panasonic 563-b                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

     I recently bought a SB-Pro and a Panasonic 563-b CD-ROM drive. However, I
did not receive a driver for the CD-ROM. I have been using the driver which
came with the SB-16 ASP (I am returning the SB-16 because it wasn't SB
compatible with quite a few games): sbcd.sys. This driver seems to be doing the
job, but I did run into a problem with the "Mayo Clinic" CD. This CD will play
two channel sound, but the sound configuration progam tells me that my drive
can only play single channel sound. I know this is wrong, because the spec
sheet claims the drive is capable of two channel sound. Could this problem be
caused by the "sbcd.sys" driver? Below are the entries from my autoexec.bat and
config.sys files.

Autoexec.bat:
C:\QEMM\LOADHI /R:2 MSCDEX.EXE /V /D:LASERWAV /L:e /M:8

Config.sys:
DEVICE=C:\QEMM\LOADHI.SYS /R:1 C:\DOS\SBCD.SYS /D:LASERWAV /P:220 /N:1

     If I am using the wrong driver, where can I obtain the correct one? Thanks
for any suggestions.

Internet: [e-mail]

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From: JANUSZ SUROWKA                         Number: 10330
  To: CLIVE CARMOCK                            Date: 12/26/93  8:38p
Subj: Panasonic 562B                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

* In a message originally to All, Clive Carmock said:
CC> Does anyone know if software to enable audio CD's to be
CC> played in a Panasonic 562B CD ROm drive exist, and if so
CC> where I might be able to get them?

CC> When using this drive with a Soundblaster 16 is CDMKE40.SYS
CC> the correct driver?

CC> Thanks

CC> Clive
If you have Microsoft Windows 3.1 (almost everyone has it)
You can go into the "Control Panel" and then select "drivers" and add a driver
called "CD-Audio"... if not download a file that enables you to play audio CD's
at your local BBS.... By the way i have that drive and the drivers come with
it, it automatically installs a program called Quick CD and plays CD Audio in
DOS or Windows!!!

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From: JACK WIGGINS                           Number: 10331
  To: DAVE REED                                Date: 12/26/93 12:46a
Subj: NIGHT OWL 10 VIRUS REPORT               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 >JW> not only the NightOwl 10 disk (with infected files locked out) but the
 >JW> NightOwl 9 disk as well, I'd like to hear what files on the 9 disk are
 >JW> infected. I'll test em and get this statement cleared up pronto.
 >
 > Read my original post carefully.  I said, "... commercial programs
 > and/or virus
 > problems."  You can have a field day with ANY Night Owl product,
 > under these criteria.

Ah!  OK, I'm sorry to word it that way.  I've read the post more carefully and
am still asking what files on the #9 disk need to be locked out.  I guess that
question would be off topic here, wouldn't it?  <grin>



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From: JACK WIGGINS                           Number: 10332
  To: JOE RINEHART                             Date: 12/26/93 12:50a
Subj: RE: CD-ROM INFO HELP!!                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 >     I apologize if I may have been wrong!  Please keep me informed
 > as to
 > the facts.  It might be that the models I have information on could
 > be
 > wrong, in which case I'd like to know.

I went ahead and looked back at the file to see.  Depending on how you define
"daisy chain", the description of the file is incorrect.  The file only says
how to add two drives to a machine by resetting the control card address.
Since I wouldn't call that "daisy chaining" I guess the apolgy is on me. 8)


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From: DOUG SCHWANTES                         Number: 10333
  To: THOMAS GUILFOYLE                         Date: 12/26/93 12:45p
Subj: CD ROM DISK CATALOG                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 TG> looking for shareware CD's but mostly R-Rated and
 TG> X-Rated ones.  Does anyone have any suggestions of

DCGoosebump Graphics has the most extensive line of adult CDROMs, although
DCtheir prices are very high.  Mike Shannon has less titles in the adult li
DCmuch better prices on the adult titles.....we can offer you the best pric
DCaround on regular shareware titles....

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From: DOUG SCHWANTES                         Number: 10334
  To: CHRIS ZITO                               Date: 12/27/93 12:25a
Subj: Doom on a GUS?                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

CZAnyone out there hear Id's DOOM on the Gravis Ultrasound yet?  It has got
CZbe the most incredible experience!!! Focal Point 3D sound at 16 bit 44.1
CZwith an awesome soundtrack in the background (Near Roland MT-32 quality)
CZWavetable quality of course.

CZ... Please don't hit me Mr. Moderator... I'll go back on topic!


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From: BENNY CHAN                             Number: 10335
  To: JOSHUA FULLER                            Date: 12/24/93 11:11a
Subj: MORTAL KOMBAT PC                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JF╞═─THE SOUND? You have the mortal kombat with SOUND? Ummm... that must be a
JF╞═─newer release... BTW, what's a MAXIUM OVERKILL BOOT DISK, what does it
JF╞═─do? Get your system to run faster??
JF╞═─BTW, you know what should I do... to get it run faster? I should turn
JF╞═─off my turbo to 33 Mhz and enter the game, then turn the turbo back on
JF╞═─to 66, cause some of the game checks for system speed...

JF╞═─Its the boot disk created by the game Comanche Maximum Overkill. It a
JF╞═─Helicopter Sim. Pretty awsome. It sets up the himem I think. I can put
JF╞═─it up for you if you want.

Yea yea, where can you put it up for me.... Can you put on some FTP
sites?
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 │ Internet: [e-mail]
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From: GARY HUFF                              Number: 10336
  To: MIKE MAZZOLA                             Date: 12/26/93  7:32a
Subj: Re: Panasonic 562/AT Bus interface card  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

MM> and I'll have to wait to see how that'll go. No docs came with the dri
MM> just the care and cleaning of CDRoms :-{ and specs on the drive.  I'm
MM> wondering if you know what the 25pin female plug on the AT Bus care is
MM> The SB card has the same type connector, but looks more like a 40 pin

Gee, I can't answer that... my card only has the 40-pin connector,
which is for the 40-pin flat ribbon cable that interfaces with the back
of the CD-ROM, which also has the same 40-pin connector.  I looked in
my installation manual which came with the card and drive, and it
doesn't show or mention a 25-pin connector.  Must be a different flavor
of card.  BTW, if you want to add a second, third or fourth CD-ROM
drive to that cable, just make up a new 40-pin flat ribbon cable with
extra connectors along its length spaced to plug into your stacked
CD-ROM drives.  Then, change the pins on the back of drives 2, 3 and 4
to make them device 2, 3 and 4.  It lets you run 4 drives from one
card.


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From: GARY HUFF                              Number: 10337
  To: TRANE FRANCKS                            Date: 12/26/93  7:35a
Subj: Re: Good ShareWare CD                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 GH> If you can't find anyone to do it, let me know and I can pick one up
 GH> for you and send it over your way.

TF> I truly appreciate the offer, but I doubt I'll need to take you
TF> up on it. Rather, the question is: Of the folks that advertise
TF> international shipping, do you know of anybody that is reputable?
TF> Of does anybody else have any recommendations? Not having dealt
TF> with CD-ROM stuff before, I'm at a bit of a disadvantage.

Well, I haven't lived outside the country since 1984, and I sure wasn't
ordering CD-ROMs back then.  :-)  Therefore, I don't have any
information on American dealers who are reliable when it comes to
international shipping.  But it's no big deal to ship overseas... just
take the package to the post office, fill out a little customs sticker,
pay the postage and you're done.  I would think any dealer would do it
for you.  You should be able to get one of the dealers that advertises
in here to do it.


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From: GARY HUFF                              Number: 10338
  To: BRICE FLECKENSTEIN                       Date: 12/26/93  7:43a
Subj: Re: PANASONIC 562                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

>We use separate speaker returns
>for reasons dating back to 1930 radios, as WELL as for protection of
>transistors.

BF>  Not on current stuff - in fact, a LOT of current low-power stuff uses
BF> ground returns TODAY. It's the higher-powered "bridged" stuff that nee
BF> seperate "common" returns per channel - and that doesn't apply ENTIREL
BF> solid-state stuff, but to a few tube-type amps as well.
BF>  Ground loops in SPEAKER leads are nothing to care about - the differe
BF> in
BF> voltage that can be generated by such a low-impedance ground loop is t
BF> to
BF> affect anything in a reasonably well designed circut, especially compa
BF> the signal level in such circuts....

Well, I can see that you are going to insist on not reading my
statement for what it was intended to say and nothing more, nothing
less.  I tried to convey that SOME of the reasons we do things today
are for the same reasons we did them years ago.  Obviously you think
that the electronics you know and think you understand are something
brand new, with entirely new principles invented the day you went to
school, and that all principles of electronics that existed the day
before you started school were canceled the day previous.  It's obvious
your mind is closed and you know it all already, so I'll just let you
learn the rest of it yourself.  Run your speaker wires any way you
please, for whatever reasons you perceive.


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From: GARY HUFF                              Number: 10339
  To: BRICE FLECKENSTEIN                       Date: 12/26/93  8:00a
Subj: Re: PANASONIC 562                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

>Audio that is not AC is not audio at all...

BF>  Actually, audio that IS "AC" is not audio at all - audio is SOUND, no
BF> current.

BF>  Don't you hate pickey people!

Sound is still alternating "current."  If air wasn't being moved back
and forth at a specific frequency, you couldn't preceive that it was
making sound at all.  Look at your speaker sometime when it's working:
it's vibrating and moving air back and forth.  Your ears just happen to
be a pair of low-frequency "receivers" that can extract energy moving
through air between approximately 20 to 15,000 cycles per second.  It
doesn't suddenly become "radio" at 15,001 cycles ...  it's still sound,
but above that frequency it takes either very young ears, or a cat or
dog's ears to hear it.  Eventually as the frequency increases, it
becomes the radio some of us know and understand, and you can no longer
send the signal via a speaker... you now need an antenna.  But it's
still the same energy, just vibrating at an ever increasing speed.  By
the way, when you look at a red apple, how do you know it's red and not
blue?  Because you have a pair of eyes which are highly refined
biological instruments capable of detecting radio frequencies vibrating
up in the 400-700 angstrom range.  Thus, you can detect something
emitting an oscillation in the 400 angstrom range as "red."

Therefore, to say that Audio is not AC at all is incorrect... of course
it's alternating.  If it were not alternating, it would be a body at
rest, generating no energy whatsoever, and thus making no sound.

If you had no ears and no eyes, would that mean that your speaker is no
longer emitting audio?  Or would it just mean that you no longer have
the biological instruments to detect those particular vibrations and
frequencies.  Audio is still alternating current ... you're just not
taking into consideration the media used to transmit that current.  A
400 cycle signal can be transmitted through either wire or air.  It
takes a speaker to convert the wire alternating current into a form of
media that you can detect... alternating air molecules.  It's still
the same alternating current, at the same frequency, just moving
through different media.  Reversing the process, we can convert that
400 cycle air vibration back into a form that can be transmitted by
wire.  We call the instrument we use to do that a microphone.


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From: GARY HUFF                              Number: 10340
  To: MIKE SHANNON                             Date: 12/26/93  8:05a
Subj: Re: Virus                               Refer: NONE
Read: NO                                    Private: No

GH>very long.  As a friend of mine who ran a camera store used to say, if
GH>enough customers came in and asked him for a used camel, pretty soon
GH>he'd convert his back room into a stable.

MS> Well, it'd be a little ripe, but I would probably do the same! <g>

GH>When the Nightowl 11 comes out, I'll be buying it... from SOMEBODY.  If
GH>you won't be stocking it, then I guess I'll be buying it from someone
GH>else.

MS> Well, let's put it this way Gary:  If it *does* come out, I'll probabl
MS> stocking it.  Despite the problems Night Owl has had with their CD's,
MS> is an easy sale, if for no other reason than through name recognition.
MS> However, I have reason to believe that 10 *might* be the last one.  If
MS> that doesn't turn out to be the case, I'll stock 11 like everyone else
MS> and offer a competetive price, but if someone asks me for an honest
MS> opinion of which ones are better, I'll give it to them......and Night
MS> won't be in my top 5.  It's really a shame that so many of the lesser
MS> known, higher quality CD's like Cream of the Crop, Software Vault Gold
MS> CD Powerbox 2, etc. get ignored simply because they don't have the nam
MS> recognition that Night Owl's has.  ("Night Owl's" is a trademark
MS> infringement by the way)

OK, I can live with that, and that's a more reasonable approach.
Incidentally, can you give me a recommendation?  I currently have the
Nightowl 10 and the Pier 3 Cd's on-line.  What would be a good third
one to add that wouldn't duplicate the existing two?  Or would I be
better off just waiting for the NO 11 or the Pier 4?  Also, I'd prefer
one that has a BBS directory in RBBS or PCBoard format, and not
FILES.BBS, which is difficult to convert.


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From: KENNY SCOTT                            Number: 10341
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/27/93 12:57a
Subj: CD-ROM                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

    I am looking for a CD-ROM drive with these specifications:
Double Speed or higher
250 or less seek time
300-350 or more KB transfer
*Gravis Ultrasound Compatible
Windows compatibility
* = optional

    If you know of any CD-ROM drive that can support this setup, and any
prices on them, and any other purchase information I can get, please let me
know.  If you are a dealer, please give me the prices on the cost of single
and multiple disk CD-ROM's.  I really appreciate any help and or information
you might be able to provide me with.

                                                      My Thanks,
                                                      Kenny Scott

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From: GARY HUFF                              Number: 10342
  To: CRAIG DEERE                              Date: 12/26/93 10:48p
Subj: Re: Good ShareWare CD                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

CD> Gary, I missed the earlier msg. regarding the name of the good sharewa
CD> are refering to.  Could you tell me the name of good CD shareware and
CD> for same?  There was a nice brochure passed out at the Nov. Windows si
CD> in Austin but no name or order form.  Thanks for any and all help!

 I am using Nightowl 10 and Pier 3 on my board, Craig, with the 2
virus-infected files locked out.  There is about 10% duplication
between the two CD's, and they're all mostly 1993 programs.  Very nice
disks.


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From: TONY WILLIAMS                          Number: 10343
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/27/93  1:20p
Subj: Freeing up space                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Does anyone know of anyway that I can access more upper memory to load some
other files so that I have more room in conventional? My cd-rom that I just
installed is running its driver in upper memory putting other drivers and other
files running in conventional. This causes me to have limited capacity for
running programs requiring 512k or more of convetional memory. Any ideas?
Thanx


Tony


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From: CHARLES HELD                           Number: 10344
  To: TONY MATA                                Date: 12/26/93  5:37p
Subj: Cd Encyclopedias                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

TM>I'm interested in purchasing a CD encyclopedia.  Can anyone tell me
TM>which the  best one is out of Encarta, Grolier's and Compton's.  I'm
TM>pretty sure that  they all have the same depth of info (though I
TM>could be wrong) so I guess  whichever one
 has the most impressive
TM>bells and whistles would be the one for  me.  Thanks.

I have a 1992 Compton's (Windows multimedia) that I will let go.  How
'bout $35?

Charles Held
704-536-6991

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From: CHARLES HELD                           Number: 10345
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/26/93  5:37p
Subj: Compton's For Sale                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

1992 Compton's Windows Multimedia encyclopedia. $35.

CH
704-536-6991

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From: CHARLES HELD                           Number: 10346
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/26/93  5:37p
Subj: Sw Toolworks Atlas                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Software Toolworks US Atlas.  $20.

CH
704-536-6991

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From: LESLIE RHORER                          Number: 10347
  To: BRICE FLECKENSTEIN                       Date: 12/27/93  1:26a
Subj: Re: PANASONIC 562                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

        Brice, this is not really to you so much as to the others, as your
replies have been fairly accurate.  However, I have rarely seen such a pile of
$#%&#!@!!@ as has been posted in this thread.  I feel I have to rectify some of
the more egregious errors.  So...

 RP> but only one sound channel, according to the SB diagram. Can
 RP> anyone explain what's going on here, and whether the missing
 RP> second ground wire is important?

        No, it isn't.  You are dealing with unbalanced lines, and unbalanced
lines, no matter how many in number, only require a single common line (usually
ground or Earth ground, but not necessarily) plus one line for each signal.
Balanced lines require two conductors per signal, and neither should normally
ever be grounded.

 HC> Moons ago before high end audio systems were commen in autos it
 HC> was commen practice to run the ground leg commen to all the
 HC> speakers.

        Using balanced lines or unbalanced lines has nothing to do with whether
a stereo resides in an automobile, nor whether the designer has isolated the
returns between the two channels.  In addition, unless I am mistaken, RP was
talking about a *LINE* output, not a speaker level output.  Somehow you guys
got off talking about speaker outputs, which are quite different beasts.

 HC> Some even ran the ground via the chasiss...shiver...

        All automobiles utilize their chassis as a ground.  Whether an audio
designer decides to make use of that ground is immaterial.

 GH> Running common grounds is OK when dealing with DC (Direct
 GH> Current) circuits.  Unfortunately, when dealing with AC
 GH> (Alternating Current)

        For the purposes of engineering, audio circuits *ARE* DC circuits.  In
fact, the audio spectrum is just that: audio frequency, or AF for short.  The
terms AC and DC can be applied variously, but if one is speaking of power
systems, then audio is neither AC nor DC.  If one is speaking of analytical
systems, anything below about 100KHz is usually considered DC.

 GH> you cannot use a common ground without
 GH> some of the current being slightly out of phase with some of
 GH> the other currents, thus setting up ground loops.

        Ground loops have almost nothing to do with being out of phase, when
speaking of audio systems.  Furthermore, a frequency of 100KHz has a wavelength
of just under 3 kilometers, and any lead length of a few meters is totally
insignificant as far as phase relationships to frequencies even that high.  At
10KHz, the wavelength is 30Km, and speaking of phase relationships in
transmission leads is just absurd.

 GH> non-technical terms, this means you will get hum on your
 GH> audio if you don't run separate ground returns.

        Not in a piece of consumer electronics.

 GH> broadcast stations, they go to elaborate lengths to prevent
 GH> this problem.  Each item of audio equipment has a "ground
 GH> buss" rod running down the middle of the chassis, and each
 GH> ground is connected to that ground buss.  Then the ground
 GH> buss is brought out to a single ground terminal, and that
 GH> ground terminal is grounded to the station's common ground
 GH> buss, usually a very wide, flat strap of copper running
 GH> through the studio.

        This is to prevent more than just hum, but then radio transmitters, and
even radio studios remote to transmitters can have literally dozens of Km of
wires running through them, and more importantly, some of those wires can be
carrying huge currents.  The EMI running around a studio is *HUGE*, and any
unshielded or improperly grounded piece of equipment can have quite substantial
signals induced over the proper signal.

 GH> Automobiles run from DC (the 12-volt battery), and theoretically
 GH> aren't as fussy about ground loops as equipment run from the
 GH> 115 volt AC (household) current.

        The lower the voltage, the more problems with ground loops, and DC
sourced equipment is *MUCH* more susceptible to EMI and ground loops than AC
sourced equipment, since each piece of AC equipment has a transformer, a full
wave bridge, and a filter network (possibly also a series pass element or a
switching element) isol;ating the equipment from the power source.

 GH> your circuit, and steel instead of copper.  Since steel has
 GH> greater resistance than copper, it might even slightly
 GH> unbalance the impedance your amplifier sees through its
 GH> speaker outlets.  I don't know if you could HEAR the
 GH> difference, but I bet I could MEASURE the difference.  And a
 GH> person with a critical ear might hear a difference, too.

        This is utter bull pookey.  In the first place, the impedance of a
typical steel chassis is several orders of magnitude smaller than any piece of
12 to 22 gauge copper wire more than a meter long.  Secondly, there is no
"balance" to the impedance seen by the amplifier.  Each output sees a given
impedance, and has a given impedance itself.  In transmission lines, the
impedance of the output device must be matched to the line impedance and to the
impedance of the input device, in order to prevent reflections.  However, in
order to be considered a transmission line, the medium must be long compared to
the wavelength of the signal.  Unless you are running audio cables across the
state, audio cables do not qualify.  For line level applications (which is
about what the original poster was inquiring), one must merely prevent any
unnecessary EMI, and match the sensitivity of the receiver to the voltage of
the transmitter.  The impedances of the two do not usually have to match well
at all, except that it is best if the transmitter has a LOWER impedance, and
typically they range from about 500 Ohms to 100K.
        In speaker systems, however, the only considerations are power
handling, which is covered by ratings, and seeing to it that the speaker moves
as accurately as possible.  A major factor preventing the speaker from doing so
is the back emf generated by the speaker's motion itself.  This is minimized by
making the impedance of the amplifier, which includes the transmission leads,
as small as possible WRT the speaker impedance.  The ratio of the two is a
measure of the amount of accuracy that can be obtained, and is called the
damping factor, if I recall.


 MB> Modern solid state audio equipment runs two wires to each speaker
 MB> because there is no such thing as a "common" anymore.

        Nonsense.  Many power amplifiers still use a common speaker ground.
Bridged amplifiers do not, because they CANNOT.  The original poster was
talking about his line outputs, however, and those are unbalanced audio lines,
which almost always have a common ground.

 MB> At one time, outputs were isolated through a transformer.  To
 MB> save money and weight, especially in automotive electronics, this
 MB> is hardly ever done now.

        The reason it is hardly ever done is because audio transformers have
rather poor responses, especially when bridged into low impedance devices such
as speakers.  It is true that today, high power solid state devices are cheaper
than transformers, but this was not very true when the practice first began to
be discontinued, a little over 20 years ago.  Weight is not an issue, and in
fact the heat sinks required because of the higher currents usually far
outweigh the transformers.  However, direct-coupled solid state devices today
can deliver MUCH higher power and much better flatness and distortion specs
than any transformer system.

 MB> The result is that SHORTING "GROUND" LEADS TOGETHER WILL DESTROY
 MB> AUDIO OUTPUT TRANSISTORS.

        Only on a bridged amplifier, and most bridged amps (being in expensive,
high end audio gear) have protection circuits that prevent such problems.

 MB> transformer will isolate two stages by blocking DC bias.  It is

        Yes, but few, if any, modern amps use transformers.  However, output


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From: LESLIE RHORER                          Number: 10348
  To: BRICE FLECKENSTEIN                       Date: 12/27/93  1:26a
Subj: Re: PANASONIC 562                       Refer: NONE
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capacitors will also block DC bias, even in bridged amplifiers.  Only the
cheapest systems use output capacitors, however, as they increase distortion
and reduce the damping factor.

 MB> the presence of DC bias that will be responsible for frying the
 MB> output transistors if leads are shorted.

        Sure, but so what?


 GH> I'm a trained electronic engineer, and I won't stand for your

        Hmmm.  Maybe.  You sure made some glaring errors for an EE, though.
Just for reference, I am a trained physicist, and formerly a practicing
engineer with 15 years experience.  These days I handle telecommunications,
however.

 GH> Audio, as I MENTIONED, is Alternating Current...  low frequency,
 GH> but still alternating.

        Well, this is pure semantics, but most engineers would consider audio,
and indeed anything below 100KHz, to be DC, especially given the design of most
audio power amplifiers, which are basically DC amplifiers.  However, the
distinction between DC and AC (as opposed to DC, RF, microwave, and above) is
usually only applied to either power systems, in which case AF is HIGH
FREQUENCY, or to transmission/filter systems, in which case AF is just DC.

 GH> you attempt to use a common ground on audio circuits (ignoring
 GH> whether we are dealing with tubes or transistors for the moment,
 GH> OK?), if you have dissimilar lengths of ground return paths,
 GH> and realizing that all alternating current MUST have a complete
 GH> circuit out and back (otherwise you wouldn't have any audio at
 GH> all - that's the part you slept through), then you must deal
 GH> with the problem of the length of the return path.

        I addressed this before.  Unless your return path is several dozen Km
long, the phase relationships will be immaterial.  10 meters is a LONG lead
length, and that represents less than .02 degrees at 10KHz, which is totally
insignificant.

 GH> length.  The returning alternating currents will be slightly out
 GH> of phase (the exact point on the alternating current's sine wave
 GH> will be

        If you are truly an engineer, you should fully well realize that a
phase difference imposed on a sine wave still produces a sine wave.  The wave
is not distorted in any way, although it's amplitude will change some.  You
should also know that audio is *NOT* a sine wave.


 GH> out of time with each other), and you'll get distortion of the
 GH> audio - or alternating current - in the form of hum (when
 GH> operated from a

        As an EE, you should also know that hum modulation is not a distortion.
 It is also not caused by phase problems.  It is usually caused by sheath
currents in faulty ground systems, or by spurious activity in incidental
semiconductor junctions (such as oxidized aluminum components in contact with
iron or copper components), or by direct EMI.

 GH> or in the form of transister whine (if using a solid

        Transistor whine *IS* often a phase problem and can be related to
improper grounding, but it is a secondary byproduct of spurious resonance
phenomena.


 GH> Thus, audio leads need individual ground return leads for THAT
 GH> reason, AND ALSO because solid state output stages require it for
 GH> protection of transistors.

        The bottom line is that most audio amplifiers don't require it at all,
and that the original poster was talking about line outputs, not speaker
outputs.

 GH> wires.  Solid state output devices don't need those transformers,

        Most *MODERN* solid state amplifiers don't, although a few STILL use
audio transformers.  I have a solid state amplifier in my back room that has
output transformers.

dealing with a phase problem here).  Thus, to avoid distortion at any and all
frequencies throughout the audio spectrum (which is an ALTERNATING CURRENT
spectrum), a separate ground return should be used for each speaker.  It ALSO
protects the output transistors, but that's not the ONLY reason a separate
ground return is used.

        This is just false.  Using a single return line or a dual return line
will not change the distortion characteristics in any way at all, although
*HYPOTHETICALLY* it could affect separation and frequency response somewhat.
Your last sentence is just false, period.  Bridged amplifiers drive both
speaker lines, and so using a common return line will at least stress half the
output amps of both sides, or perhaps will engage whatever protection circuitry
the amplifier posesses.  However, the average, run of the mill audio amplifier
does not even have the return line connected to an active device of any sort.
Many of them are simply connected directly to the center tap of the power
transformer, which supplies the system ground.  If you really wish to argue
about this, I can refer you to several dozen schematics from high power audio
amplifiers (up to 400 watts) that utilize just this arrangement.

 BF> In broadcase stations, they go to elaborate lengths to keep the RF
 BF> out of the Audio circuts.

        Hurm.  Simple RF in an audio circuit is not going to normally be a
problem.  AF sidebands and other AF ingress certainly will be.


 >Since steel has greater resistance than copper

 BF> Given equal volume. The average steel chassis in an automobile has
 BF> a LOT larger cross-sectional area than any copper wiring normally
 BF> used in a car, and tends to be a MUCH lower resistance path.


        What you say is correct, but your first sentence makes it misleading.
An equal volume of 24 GAUGE copper and a car chassis will NOT have similar
resistances, and in fact the copper will have a MUCH greater impedance, because
it will be hundreds of times longer and thinner.  It is true that the impedance
is dependant on the length and the cross sectional area, but that is not the
same as being dependant on the volume.

                                                             Les

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From: MAX GREEN                              Number: 10349
  To: CHAD REID                                Date: 12/26/93  7:28p
Subj: cheap imitations                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 CR> Have you ever had any experience with a Pro Audio card?

   As a matter of fact I have Chad.  Or rather experienced the pain of
   installation of the ProAudio Spectrum 16.  This was about 1½ years
   ago, at which time I had no desire or need for a CD Rom Drive, all I
   was looking for was stereo sound.  The card was installed in my
   present system a 486DX33 w/8mb of system ram (at the time) and also
   an Epson color scanner I/O card.  Well after almost three weeks of
   constant battling w/a morass of jumpers/switches & software settings,
   calls to the tech support people (my nickel of course) and of course
   the usually and necessary constant barrage of curse words (my attempt
   to appease the byte gods) nothing, absolutely NOTHING worked.  I
   threw in the towel and purchased a SB Pro.  Plugged it in, never set
   a switch and everything worked fine.  Well the world has greatly
   changed since than, even Soundblaster has evolved and now many of us
   are IN NEED of a CD ROM Drive.  SBs ain't so simple now either but
   for the most part they are still plug and play, are supported by most
   all sound programs and do perform quite well.  Thanks for asking Chad.

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From: THOMAS GOETTGENS                       Number: 10350
  To: ROBERT BRIGGS                            Date: 12/24/93  7:42p
Subj: MSCDEX and Dos 6.x                      Refer: NONE
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RB>Does anyone know where to obtain a (more current) copy of
RB>MSCDEX that does not require the use of SETVER under DOs
RB>6.2 ?  I could use the extra memory...

In Europe there is a version of MSCDEX shipped with MSDOS 6.2, but as i
don't use 6.2 i don't know whether it requires SETVER. Anyway, what
version do you have? My newest one is Ver. 2.22 which is on the
installation disk for the Mitsumi LU005S driver version 2.3.

Ciao, Thomas!
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From: SHAWN ADAMSSON                         Number: 10351
  To: RICK PEDLEY                              Date: 12/27/93 12:13p
Subj: Sb16 & panasonic 562                    Refer: NONE
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RP>Mine